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You will not find a browser that is perfect. All browsers have their own way of interpreting html code. And therefore, some websites just won't work. If you've ever made a website, you know how hard it is to get it so it works properly on MOST browsers. Some browsers even have their own tags that only work on their browser.
Most recently I was making a website (school project) and I made it on my Mac (all hand coding) and it worked perfectly on Safari, Mozilla (Firefox), and Netscape. Then tried in on IE, nothing worked right. It is simply a nightmare.
For the record; I use Safari 99% of the time, because it is simply the best (my opinion). The other 1% is Firefox.
Most recently I was making a website (school project) and I made it on my Mac (all hand coding) and it worked perfectly on Safari, Mozilla (Firefox), and Netscape. Then tried in on IE, nothing worked right. It is simply a nightmare.
For the record; I use Safari 99% of the time, because it is simply the best (my opinion). The other 1% is Firefox.
kainjow said:You should use RealPlayer's browser
Heh.
It appears to use Safari's engine, or can at least read Safari's cookies.
I'm using Opera at the moment for the reason that it saves my session so when I quit (or it quits) I can restart it with all my tabs just as they were ( I have many tabs open) I prefer firefox and safari to opera in many ways but they don't have the session saving feature
3lions said:I'm using Opera at the moment for the reason that it saves my session so when I quit (or it quits) I can restart it with all my tabs just as they were ( I have many tabs open) I prefer firefox and safari to opera in many ways but they don't have the session saving feature
You're in luck. Firefox has a session saving plug-in.
And omniweb saves sessions too.
kainjow said:You should use RealPlayer's browser
Anything is better than IE 5.
I had the courage to download IE 5 for mac and tried the acid2 test on it
Voila! No image at all..
That just shows how bad microsoft is with its coding. They try the muscle tactics to make people code their sites for IE. One of my friends had to change his custom blog theme because it didn't render well with IE.
And so much for transparent PNGs. Have you ever tried it with IE. They display perfectly in Opera, FF, Safari, Camino, Omniweb. But just try one of those with good ol' IE.
And some people actually are proud to use IE. These are the same people who say Microsoft Shell is the most l33t thing to hit the market and it will kill Bash
Imagine one day all browsers are killed and we will only have to use IE
I will quit the net that day
<offtopic>Microsoft did it with xbox 360 too
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oober_freak said:
Surprisingly, the Mac version of IE renders them properly. And they've fixed it in IE 7 for Windows.
jadekitty24 said:Camino, anyone?
Yes. It is my number one choice for browsing the web on my Mac. Safari comes in at a close second, but what I like about camino--especially the more recent builds--is the ability to turn off much of the web advertisements that hog up precious computing resources, which makes the browser slightly quicker than safari.
I try to avoid IE like the plague unless I absolutely have to use it. And besides, when's the last time MS had an update for IE on the Mac? I think the last update was in 2002, if I'm not mistaken. Seems like the Redmond gang isn't too eager to improve it's web browser on the Mac platform anyway.
Transparent PNGs have been supported in Internet Explorer for Mac since the release of version 5.0 back in early 1999. In fact, that was one of the things that rubbed so many people the wrong way... why would Microsoft correctly implement PNGs in the Mac version of IE back in 1999 but wait years to finally do it in IE for Windows?oober_freak said:
As for what browser I use... OmniWeb. Been using it since version 2.4, and it is the default browser on six of my systems (four are running 3.0/3.1, one is running 4.5 and one is running 5.1.2).
You can change the thumb nails to just titles if you want. And the drawer is scalable (so you can make it smaller) plus you get the page title as you mouse over any of the thumbnails.dragula53 said:
My favorite part of Omni's implementation is that I can drag a ling from the page I'm viewing to the drawer and it'll start rendering that page while I'm still reading the current page. Drag-n-drop may not be that big a thing for most Windows people, but as a life long Mac user... it is a requirement for me.
The version of WebCore in OmniWeb is modified to do things that OmniWeb needed from their rendering engine.
Besides, the way Apple implements WebCore, the only way to upgrade Safari is to buy a new operating system ($129)... that is a little steep for a browser don't you think? I use OmniWeb 5.1.2 in Mac OS X v10.2, Apple doesn't provide anything even close to the current version of WebCore for this OS and none of the other browsers that use Apple's current WebCore will run on a system that is "that old" (we live in an odd world when a Mac OS that was current back in October 2003 is is not supported today while Windows XP which came out in 2001 is still supported by most venders).
But yeah, the Safari version of WebCore is anything but free! I'd rather pay the $19 for OmniWeb 5 that I paid than pay $129 for a new OS to replace an OS that is working perfectly for me. Sure looks to me like Apple took a page out of Microsoft's play book when implementing their browser!
As for features in OmniWeb that I now can't live without... the fact that OmniWeb gives me access to all the services on my system, that I can zoom out text fields (like the one I'm typing into right now) into their own window, the HTML editor (fell in love with it back in version 2.x), site preferences, and more. OmniWeb has more than paid for itself in my web design work and the fact that it has let me stay reasonably up to date as far as rendering without having to pay Apple for a new OS to get that functionality is a major plus in my book!
Nermal said:
Ah tried only on IE 6 for Windows. I never thought IE 5 for Mac would render them perfectly
It is really surprising... thanks for the info.RacerX said:
The drawer is still HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE. if the drawer was movable to the bottom or something instead of eating up my limited horizontal screen real estate, I would be a happy camper.
I actually enjoy the browsing experience in omniweb more than safari, generally... Except for the tabbed browsing, which is pretty much a deal breaker.
Also, my window sizes/locations never seem to save, but that is being nitpicky.
Far less problems with omniweb than firefox.
Has anybody figured out why, when you have a theme applied to firefox, and you switch between tabs, your scroll bar gets stuck wherever it was on the previous tab? You don't actually get stuck down there, just the bar. If you click anywhere in the scroll bar, it miraculously reappears at the top.
I was a Camino addict, but recently i have switched back to Safari, it is a faultless browser and apart from the few pages which are incompatible it is very good especially the built in dictionary feature which camino doesnt have,
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Woah! Another browser to contend with during web design... Unless it behaves exactly the same as Safari?kainjow said:You should use RealPlayer's browser
EDIT: Which it does...
Odd, why include a browser with a media player? I didn't even know it was there.
Hi Dragula,
Most people lack vertical space, not horizontal space when browsing (no jokes please).
Window size/location can be saved with:
under the window menu there is an option for : Save Window Size
You can also use workspaces to save you environment from one session to another. Omniweb is cool. I wonder if it came before irider on the pc which does something very similar. I mostly like it because it has the most options for helping save form info to be reused. Roboform on the PC is so nice.
Most people lack vertical space, not horizontal space when browsing (no jokes please).
Window size/location can be saved with:
under the window menu there is an option for : Save Window Size
You can also use workspaces to save you environment from one session to another. Omniweb is cool. I wonder if it came before irider on the pc which does something very similar. I mostly like it because it has the most options for helping save form info to be reused. Roboform on the PC is so nice.
dragula53 said:
vamp07 said:
Thanks for the tip.
And you are correct, but when the tab bar is horizontal it only takes one row, when it is vertical, it takes as many rows as you have allotted to the tray. And even then you are likely limiting the length of the tab that you can view. Not to mention all of the real estate you are wasting on empty space where there are no tabs (the entire height of your browser minus the tabs that you have in the tray). A vertical tab bar just consumes copious amounts of real estate, no bones about it.