AmbitiousLemon said:
They also do not have any hosting avilable right now.
No one has cheated me - so far they have provided everything promised. Thanks for the tips and feeling sorry for me, though.
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They also do not have any hosting avilable right now.
No one has cheated me - so far they have provided everything promised. Thanks for the tips and feeling sorry for me, though.
iGary said:They also do not have any hosting avilable right now.
No one has cheated me - so far they have provided everything promised. Thanks for the tips, though.
Actually aso is offering hosting right now. They just have a maximum on how many new accounts they add each day until a new order of Sun servers gets set up (apparently Sun was extremely backed up for awhile). The issue should resolve rather soon though since the machines have finally shipped.
[edit] I should also add that this is what a responsible company that respects its customers and values quality does. By limiting the number of new clients added each day they are able to better balance the load on their servers, and therefore provide the very best hosting possible with none of the overselling associated problems that you will experience with dreamhost and their like[/edit]
AmbitiousLemon said:
You know what?
You made me feel dirty enough to get my money back and switch.
DreamHost gave me my money back, and I'm now signed up with ASO.
Forgive me for being a bit spite, but you were getting alittle sassy there.
iGary said:Forgive me for being a bit spite, but you were getting alittle sassy there.
Well i guess I was feeling miffed that you subtly suggested that I was making things up. I didn't intend to get into a huge bash dreamhost tirade, but the more I read about them the more I felt I needed to share it. I mean it was obvious to those in the industry that they were overselling, and them limiting cpu minutes came out pretty quickly, but the abusive manner they have taken in responding to clients has been appalling. We've seen massive oversellers come and go over the years, but dreamhost is the worst example - though i suspect they will eventually be upstaged by someone offering petabytes of bandwidth.
Again so this isn't all negative I thought I'd mention another good host that recently came to my attention NearlyFreeSpeech. Good people with a very unique pricing structure that can easily beat any other host's prices for small sites. Reliable low latency bandwidth too.
AmbitiousLemon said:
Well thanks - I'd never use all the bandwidth they offer, but it snagged me, especially with so many recommended here.
I went over to ASO and was far more impressed with their discussion forums and support options. That is what really did it.
A lot of people buy from cheap hosts and don't know what they are missing out on until they switch to a proper host. I guess it's kind of like the Windows user switching to a Mac scenario.
You guys seem to have squeezed all the juice out of A Small Orange, their site says "Due a large number of sign ups, orders have been automatically disabled for the day."
I came across this thread while looking for a host myself. I too, was very skeptical of Dreamhost, and AmbitiousLemon's comments about the CPU limit was the lightbulb moment for me.
ASO looks fantastic - a great deal without being too great that it's dodgy.
only problem is I have to wait until tomorrow to sign up!
*hmph*
Thanks for clearing thingd up AmbitiousLemon, I was finding it really hard to find an objective viewpoint on the matter.
I came across this thread while looking for a host myself. I too, was very skeptical of Dreamhost, and AmbitiousLemon's comments about the CPU limit was the lightbulb moment for me.
ASO looks fantastic - a great deal without being too great that it's dodgy.
only problem is I have to wait until tomorrow to sign up!
*hmph*
Thanks for clearing thingd up AmbitiousLemon, I was finding it really hard to find an objective viewpoint on the matter.
I have an account with ASO, so I'll chime in with a quick review. It's generally been very good, though I had a recent encounter with tech support that wan't so great. The guy trying to help me was pretty much incompetent, but we only wasted a few email exchanges before another tech took over and the problem got solved. To their credit, they respond to support requests very quickly. They still get a thumbs-up from me.
I've very satisfied with bluehost.com 250gb transfer a month, 100gb storage, for only $7 a month. If you decide to go with bluehost follow the link from my website. www.sailbyair.com as I get a kick back.
AmbitiousLemon said:
Thanks for the info... I checked out "nearlyfreespeech" website. No ads with very flexible and reasonable pricing. Just what I was looking for... I like their freespeech stance as well. Oh, it also comes recommended by "Macrumors' oldest moderator", can't beat that.
No bluehost is a good host, I have 100+mb email accounts for friends and family. I've never found a web technology they don't support that I need, I run PHP, and mySQL (except webdav, but nobody does, and I got around it with a PHP program). I get subdomains for more websites, and I can install plug in things such as my forums, directly from the Bluehost control panel.AmbitiousLemon said:
I'm not trying to "oversell" it, I'm giving you the FACTS that are important to most people. And if he decides to go with bluehost, why should he do so through a fellow macrumors site so they get credit. Would it be different if I said things about dotMac and said to use me as a referral so I get next year free when 4 people do it?
But don't take my word for bluehost
http://sitereview.org/?article=1779
http://www.top-10-web-hosts.com/
http://www.domainhosting-review.com/
I shopped around for a long time before picking Bluehost, and you come along and tear my endorsement down. Wow.
jared_kipe said:
Before you get yourself too worked up try reading the whoe thread. I was referring to a practice in web hosting called overselling which I described in detail earlier in this thread. It is an extremely dangerous and deceptive practice that unscrupulous and inexperienced web hosts use to get clients. I don't know anything about bluehost, but looking at the packages they offer it is clear they are guilty of massive overselling. I simply wanted to bring this to everyone's attention as people who care about quality web hosting will want to know what kind of deceptive business practices this host uses.
I've read, I've never had any problems with Bluehost. If I started putting up huge GB files and suddenly they told me I didn't get any more space that would be different. But for what I do, its fine, and they are cheap for what they offer.AmbitiousLemon said:
Oh, and you say they go out of business? Bluehost has been around for a long while. Since 1996 according to them, and I've been using them for a year. So far still in business.
jared_kipe said:I've read, I've never had any problems with Bluehost. If I started putting up huge GB files and suddenly they told me I didn't get any more space that would be different. But for what I do, its fine, and they are cheap for what they offer.
Oh, and you say they go out of business? Bluehost has been around for a long while. Since 1996 according to them, and I've been using them for a year. So far still in business.
But you see, thats why overselling works for a little while. You never use what you have purchased. You don't actually have 250GB of bandwidth. You might think its a good deal, but its not if you are only using a tiny fraction of that bw. Its a good deal if you get 250Gb for $8, but thats not what you get. You should look at what you actually use and see if there is another host who may not give you 250GB for $8, but gives you how much you actually use for something less than $8. Its like buying 100 gallons of milk at some warehouse grocery store. It might be a good deal but if you can't actually use that much millk then you are wasting your money. Only difference is with web hosting they don't actually have the 250GB available for each client who buys it. What happens is eventually you or one of your neighbors starts using more and more bw and this adversely effects you bw since there isn't enough to go around. Or they do something like dream host where they limit your cpu minutes meaning you literally can not use the 250GB. O and I doubt the company has been around since 1996 - perhaps the name has but the current company with the current owners, never.
It surprises me that people on this forum can be so savvy about fraud on ebay (someone whispers about a deal too good to be true and western union to transfer money and the forum rushes to warn the person) but fraud with web hosts and people actually defend the people who are ripping them off. Sad.
Whew.
Just to chip in, before choosing a host, remember that blacklisting and blocking takes place on an IP level. So you need to kn ow whether your host-to-be is clean or dirty.
Check the host out with the various blocklists. Have they shown up frequently? Are they currently blocked anywhere. If the have been blocked, was it for a short time, or was it chronic?
Find out what the host's policies are re: adult sites, free iPod sites, spamming (or Permission-Based Direct Email MarketingTM). If the host you are on permits shady site operators to live there, you run the risk of your site being blocked along with the porn/spam/scam sites because your site is on a server that shares the same IP address or IP range that will get blocked.
If they advertise mailing list management, "permission" marketing services or "adult friendly" you don't want to be there.
They may also be reselling server space on IP addresses that were formerly used by porn/spam/scam, and may still be blacklisted.
You are looking for a host that enforces a no-garbage policy, and terminates spammers quickly and brutally.
Just to chip in, before choosing a host, remember that blacklisting and blocking takes place on an IP level. So you need to kn ow whether your host-to-be is clean or dirty.
Check the host out with the various blocklists. Have they shown up frequently? Are they currently blocked anywhere. If the have been blocked, was it for a short time, or was it chronic?
Find out what the host's policies are re: adult sites, free iPod sites, spamming (or Permission-Based Direct Email MarketingTM). If the host you are on permits shady site operators to live there, you run the risk of your site being blocked along with the porn/spam/scam sites because your site is on a server that shares the same IP address or IP range that will get blocked.
If they advertise mailing list management, "permission" marketing services or "adult friendly" you don't want to be there.
They may also be reselling server space on IP addresses that were formerly used by porn/spam/scam, and may still be blacklisted.
You are looking for a host that enforces a no-garbage policy, and terminates spammers quickly and brutally.
CanadaRAM said:
VERY good advice. I know most of us just pass right over things like "Terms of Service" agreements, but you really should spend some time reading the terms of service (or whatever your host calls them). In addition to things like refund policies, you can also get an idea about how they handle some of those things brought up by CanadaRAM
This thread really disturbs me. I wish I could cancel my Dreamhost contract and switch to another host. I certainly won't renew my service after this year.
Lemon,
I think it would help if we put together a list of good hosts. In order to be labeled as good they'd have to meet a criteria: no overselling, good support, etc.
Lemon,
I think it would help if we put together a list of good hosts. In order to be labeled as good they'd have to meet a criteria: no overselling, good support, etc.
Why, have you been having issues with them? I know Lemon is trying to "help", but I don't see why everyone is getting all frantic over this thread. I know people who have been with dreamhost since 97 without any real issues. And as I mentioned, before, I'm not trying say they are the best host you can get, but if you haven't had any issues with them, why worry? I don't plan to switch until they give me a reason to. And so far they have been really good for me and for a few high traffic sites that I visit frequently.ChrisWB said:
Even though you've gone elsewhere and apparantly they aren't offering shared hosting right now, asmallorange.com
Went through a couple of hosts before deciding to stick with ASO, so yeah, keep an eye on them in the future at least...
Went through a couple of hosts before deciding to stick with ASO, so yeah, keep an eye on them in the future at least...
Funny stuff Lemon, my sister worked for dreamhost for over 5 years. I bet she would be surprised to hear they had been bought and sold as many times as you claim to know somehow.AmbitiousLemon said:
I wish I knew more about this cpu limiting but I don't. I do know that dreahost has been around since somewhere in the late 90's (96, maybe 97), where it was started by 4 students at Harvey Mudd in Claremont California, the 4 oringinal founders still own their share of the company and play some sort of active role in it in someway. One of the four is listed on wikipedia so I don't feel bad mentioning his name here, it's Sage Weil also the creator of "Webring" which was sold to yahoo years ago. Out of the other three two are involved daily with the business and the fourth maintains his role as "honcho" (term used by the employees for the four founders) on major company issues. None have sold their share in the company....ever.
I do wonder what your reasons for recruiting away from them is. No one here has had any negative experience with them so I am not exactly sure why you would feel the need to bash dreamhost so much. Anyway, if you want I can throw a couple company email addys your way that may clear up some of these issues.
Ok I'm getting really tried of people like the poster above. Just do a search for dreamhost in google. You will find absolutely everything I have written is backed up by solid evidence and that there are literally hundreds of people who have had extremely bad experiences with dreamhost.
Its really quite crazy the way some people have tried to defend this fraudster of a host. Its like women who have a hard time admitting their partner is abusive. This last poster mentioned his sister "used to" work for dreamhost. Well their recent drop in quality could quite possibly have occurred after she left.
[edit]It should be noted that it was apparently only recently that Dreamhost seems to have switched from offering quality hosting to massively oversold poor quality / poor support hosting and that this change seems to have roughly coincided with a cheange in ownership. You will read all about this if you do a search yourself. I'll close this thread now and just leave it up to any readers to go forth and find the info themselves if they are still interested in a 'too good to be true deal.'[/edit]
Its really quite crazy the way some people have tried to defend this fraudster of a host. Its like women who have a hard time admitting their partner is abusive. This last poster mentioned his sister "used to" work for dreamhost. Well their recent drop in quality could quite possibly have occurred after she left.
[edit]It should be noted that it was apparently only recently that Dreamhost seems to have switched from offering quality hosting to massively oversold poor quality / poor support hosting and that this change seems to have roughly coincided with a cheange in ownership. You will read all about this if you do a search yourself. I'll close this thread now and just leave it up to any readers to go forth and find the info themselves if they are still interested in a 'too good to be true deal.'[/edit]
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