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Webdriver for GTX 1080&1070

ActionableMango said:
The real winner in the Mac GPU lineup is Intel.

I remember back in the day when a key difference between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro was that the MacBook had integrated GPUs and the Pro had a dedicated GPUs. Not any more. Now there are "Pro" computers with Intel integrated video. :(
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But, Intel's Iris line of integrated GPUs are quite competitive to the low power discrete GPUs that go in the macbook pros. For example the AMD M370X is not even twice as fast as the Iris Pro Graphics currently included in the macbook pro.
 
Stacc said:
Yes, and Nvidia has such a small sliver of the tablet market that Apple isn't worried about it. Apple wouldn't see using Nvidia GPUs in macs as a threat to the iPhone. Likewise, as Aidenshaw pointed out, this doesn't stop Apple from paying Samsung to manufacture its mobile chips despite their competition in smartphones.

Apple likely has other reasons not to use Nvidia GPUs, such as OpenCL/Metal performance, driver support, Nvidias willingness to design custom form factors, pricing and intellectual property concerns.
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Sure, but you're just expanding on what I said that Apple doesn't want to feed a competitor.
 
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
Sure, but you're just expanding on what I said that Apple doesn't want to feed a competitor.
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No, I am disagreeing with you. Apple has used nvidia gpus in its macs even when they had mobile chips. If apple refused to use the technology of anyone who threatened to put something in a phone that could compete with the iPhone they would have very few suppliers left.
 
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
At the moment they aren't collaborating closely so the Nvidia web driver is clashing with Adobe software in a very bad way.
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If you look over at the Capture One forums, there's been an issue on cMPs with GTX980 with the web driver causing massive artifacting when OpenCL is involved.

Phase One and nVidia solved it in the most recent update, and it looks like the problem was at (or at least fixed at) Phase One's end. I gotta wonder if maybe you should be pointing the finger at Adobe.
 
mattspace said:
If you look over at the Capture One forums, there's been an issue on cMPs with GTX980 with the web driver causing massive artifacting when OpenCL is involved.

Phase One and nVidia solved it in the most recent update, and it looks like the problem was at (or at least fixed at) Phase One's end. I gotta wonder if maybe you should be pointing the finger at Adobe.
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You can't really point it at them because they don't have these big issues on Windows.

The saying is Apple makes it really difficult for them to work with OpenCL. Support and feedback from the fruit company developers say is lousy.

And then of course Nvidia isn't able to test drivers properly until they have an OS with good APIs to test against. Until now the only thing OS X had was a crusty OpenGL and a flaky unfinished version of Metal. It wasn't very motivating. Bad enough no more computer with upgradable graphics.
 
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SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
You can't really point it at them because they don't have these big issues on Windows.
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Other software vendors either don't suffer these problems, or fix their products when they do. The quality of Adobe's customer experiences is Adobe's responsibility. However, they've never really displayed an understanding of this.
 
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SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
You can't really point it at them because they don't have these big issues on Windows.

The saying is Apple makes it really difficult for them to work with OpenCL. Support and feedback from the fruit company developers say is lousy.

And then of course Nvidia isn't able to test drivers properly until they have an OS with good APIs to test against. Until now the only thing OS X had was a crusty OpenGL and a flaky unfinished version of Metal. It wasn't very motivating. Bad enough no more computer with upgradable graphics.
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mmm but if Phase One can why can't others. And to be fair I don't consider that they don't have issues on windows as being a valid argument. It may not be easy with Apple but still possible if economics are favourable and thats where the desire, or lack of, resides.
 
Pending said:
mmm but if Phase One can why can't others. And to be fair I don't consider that they don't have issues on windows as being a valid argument. It may not be easy with Apple but still possible if economics are favourable and thats where the desire, or lack of, resides.
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I was actually going to make this point. Is it really a priority for Nvidia to produce web drivers for a couple of hundred cards when Apple is currently producing machines that can't even take their upgrade boards? I'd LOVE to see Apple produce not only Mac Pros with PCI expansion, but an enthusiast/gaming machine for those of us who don't need Xeons but want to get into graphic intensive and VR gaming, but on the Mac. I know this is a small market, but it's one I'd champion.
 
It would be delusional to believe Adobe should devote manpower and man hours to making a small minority of cMP users happy that their unsupported graphics cards and beta drivers running on an OS with APIs that haven't been updated for a long times should run bug free with Adobe software.
 
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SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
It would be delusional to believe Adobe should devote manpower and man hours to making a small minority of cMP users happy that their unsupported graphics cards and beta drivers running on an OS with APIs that haven't been updated for a long times should run bug free with Adobe software.
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But you're suggesting NVIDIA should devote that manpower to help those same minority of users to help them run on unsupported graphics cards?
 
xsmi123 said:
Is it really a priority for Nvidia to produce web drivers for a couple of hundred cards when Apple is currently producing machines that can't even take their upgrade boards?
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In the past we actually could expect drivers for unsupported PCIe cards despite Apple not producing machines that could take those cards. This is because Apple used Nvidia chips elsewhere in the lineup, and fortunately the unified drivers worked just as well with the PCIe cards as they did with the GPUs built into Macs. That was the golden era where you could drop in just about any card from any family, except perhaps some oddball cards like GTX690.

But over the years Apple has stricken Nvidia from their entire lineup and so they also don't bother to include Nvidia drivers for anything recent. The side effect to this is that we PCIe guys can no longer expect free and easy compatibility with newer cards.

Nobody knows why Nvidia continues to bother to give us drivers that are compatible with Maxwell at all. For whatever reason they do, and they have even taken the time to fix some of the previous Adobe bugs. Nevertheless, this is all a gift; and like SCSC says, nobody should have expectations.
 
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h9826790 said:
But interestingly, not many Hackintosh users I know have high end hardware. Most of them are just installing OSX on their notebook etc (IMO, not even a proper Hackintosh)
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oh very true for some people in my country~ they treat hackintosh is cheap way to get osx running with "barely" good even worse because they want show off celeron laptop running OSX to their friend~
For me, hackintosh is just knowledge how computer work under the hood with OSX installed.

JoelTheSuperior said:
Hardly surprising - no Macs ship with these GPUs and honestly I don't believe there's many people putting these in their Mac Pros.

The majority of people using these GPUs with OS X are going to be hackintosh users, who I can't imagine Nvidia are in any rush to serve.
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This is remind me when maxwell doesn't support OSX back then...even i'm saw petition in change.org rushed by MP tower user and (probably) hackintosh user to support GTX980 and 970 in OSX...so may do the same think in case sierra doesn't allow us to run pascal card...

Well...MP tower and workstation hackintosh are close relative when talking about hardware upgrades.
 
yurc said:
oh very true for some people in my country~ they treat hackintosh is cheap way to get osx running with "barely" good even worse because they want show off celeron laptop running OSX to their friend~
For me, hackintosh is just knowledge how computer work under the hood with OSX installed.
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When I built my hackintosh, it wasn't to save money. It was about building a system with features I wanted. I spent about $1400-1500 to build mine.
 
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I think the reason Nvidia keeps developing Mac drivers is so they're up to speed once eGPU hits.

Not too different from Apple keeping their OS running on Intel hardware (in secret) until they were ready to port the entire lineup from PowerPC.
 
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Can someone summarize for me the current general consensus on if/when/how about the 1070/1080 drivers? What I mean is, do we expect there to be Sierra support when it comes, but not ElCap or Yose? Or are we worried there won't be ANY driver support at all? Or is it conceivable that Yosemite onward will be good to go if we just wait patiently?

Secondly, if one is unconcerned w/ display and gaming performance, but rather w/ CUDA compute performance, is it doable yet to worry only about CUDA drivers w/ a 1070/1080, while driving a display using an original GT120? I have a client interested in VR stitching, and I'd assumed we might want to consider a 1070 over the 970 we were initially looking at, but I'm a bit surprised to have no 1070 driver support thus far.

Thx,
Fred
 
fhturner said:
but I'm a bit surprised to have no 1070 driver support thus far.

Thx,
Fred
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Should not be a surprise considering that the Maxwell 9 series driver is still based on the 346 beta builds, is buggy with OpenCL and was never fully optimised or officially released. Forum salesboys don't want you to think about that though.
 
fhturner said:
Can someone summarize for me the current general consensus on if/when/how about the 1070/1080 drivers?
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There is no consensus.

IIRC, last time for Maxwell it took about 5-6 months after hardware release for the OS X drivers to show up. If the same occurs for Pascal, which is a big "if", it will be October-November time frame.
 
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fhturner said:
Can someone summarize for me the current general consensus on if/when/how about the 1070/1080 drivers? What I mean is, do we expect there to be Sierra support when it comes, but not ElCap or Yose? Or are we worried there won't be ANY driver support at all? Or is it conceivable that Yosemite onward will be good to go if we just wait patiently?

Secondly, if one is unconcerned w/ display and gaming performance, but rather w/ CUDA compute performance, is it doable yet to worry only about CUDA drivers w/ a 1070/1080, while driving a display using an original GT120? I have a client interested in VR stitching, and I'd assumed we might want to consider a 1070 over the 970 we were initially looking at, but I'm a bit surprised to have no 1070 driver support thus far.

Thx,
Fred
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I think this deserves its own thread, or I'll hit you up in PM.
 
Afaik no drivers for Pascal cards seen so far, not even in the Nvidia web beta drivers for Sierra.

I ordered a week ago a GTX Titan X (Maxwell), no more frustrating waiting for Pascal drivers.

If they appear, fine. If not I have the best possible Maxwell card.
 
Synchro3 said:
Afaik no drivers for Pascal cards seen so far, not even in the Nvidia web beta drivers for Sierra.

I ordered a week ago a GTX Titan X (Maxwell), no more frustrating waiting for Pascal drivers.

If they appear, fine. If not I have the best possible Maxwell card.
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Have prices dropped on those?
 
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