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What "wins" is a vendor that doesn't treat you like a criminal and actively release updates that destroy your efforts to use your device freely.

And the funny this is, this summer when the next iPhone is released, there will be the usual lines of people waiting to get one. Millions will be sold again. The iPhone has been a success and will continue to be for a few years to come.
 
i love the iphone but we dont get 3G up in college and to me thats pretty useless to have without 3G. For those who "dont" like the key board im with OP, the keyboard is great, it just takes a couple days to get used to like any different keyboard would. Most people who said they didnt like it only used it for 20 mins - two hours. Anyways great review, i agree 100%.
 
I've been considering a droid. Can someone post verizon's prices for voice, text, and data? I can't get to their site it's blocked by my company's web filter.
 
I've been considering a droid. Can someone post verizon's prices for voice, text, and data? I can't get to their site it's blocked by my company's web filter.

Data plan= 29.99
Basic 450 mins (unlimited nights and weekends)= 39.99

oh and the Voice, Turn by Turn GPS on the droid is amazing and FREE!
 
On the note of Verizon... Since quite a few people are making the switch lately.... Good luck with their customer service. Quite possibly the worst customer service I've ever received from a vendor of any sort. Getting a phone replaced is a joke, even if it's an obvious manufacturers defect. And if you have problems with their phone service, they will tell you it's your own fault.
 
What "wins" is a vendor that doesn't treat you like a criminal and actively release updates that destroy your efforts to use your device freely.

You really think that? The reality is Apple and AT&T couldn't be happier that Jailbreaking exists. Imagine how many users would switch to the competition if jailbreaking didn't exist. I myself would have been sold my 3GS if the option to hack it's default restrictions wasn't there.

Google has made an incredibly smart move with Android. Sure, it'll have some rough spots but there will be hundreds of different vendors delivering Android-based solutions (media players, picture frames, remotes, home controllers, etc).

A smart consumer will take a diverse market with hundreds of companies and thousands of engineers trying to create viable products over proprietary solutions that treat you with such hostility any day of the week.

It's much easier and lucrative to make iPhone apps than it is for Android.

Software & Hardware accessory wise, Apple already has so much diversity. Proprietary means nothing as long as there's plenty to choose from.

And frankly a great many of the apps on itunes are junk. There's an old analogy about horse crap and ice cream. Add even the smallest amount of crap to ice cream and nobody wants it. Add TONS of ice cream to crap and, guess what, still nobody wants it. Anyone playing numbers game based on apps would do well to second-guess their logic...

You must not own an iPhone as they are so many great apps to choose from. A much better selection than any WM, Nokia or BB phone that I've owned.

BTW .... All phones and mobile OS have crap apps. You act like this is exclusive to the iPhone. Also at least the crap apps on the iPhone work and are easy to delete. Try installing some crap apps on other phones and see that 7 out of 10 times they make your mobile OS buggy as hell.


The dirty secret behind AT&T and the iphone isn't just the network. Looks like the radio in the phone itself sucks too.

Well that's still a mystery up in the air. Cause I have pretty good service and so do many other users.
 
RE: number of apps.

Thousands of iPhone apps are simple wrappers around specialty websites or specific search strings... basically, bookmark apps. Apple just got rid of 1% of their 100,000 apps by removing that fellow who had over 1,000 of them linking to copyrighted online books etc.

There are many incredibly simplistic apps, which barely deserve the name. Besides the nasty sound ones, there are virtual lighters, virtual glasses of beer, flashlights, levels and others which are hardly more than a variation of some of Apple's sample code.

There's also many copycat apps. You can barely publish something without a half dozen people quickly doing the same thing. Other app stores are similar in having multiple versions of a particular thing. For example, I decided to buy a bowling game for my daughter to use on a WM phone, and was honestly surprised to find several good ones available.

Mind you, I love the iPhone USA Today and eBay apps, along with other favorites :)

I bring all this up because I'm wondering if anyone's done an analysis of how many truly unique apps there are out there for any device. I'd make a wild guess that there's only like 10,000 unique apps in the world... everything else is a copy. Anybody else got a guess or a researched figure? Thanks!
 
I was talking about the color...
Clearly I noted that (please reread my comment), but I'm saying that simply clapping about the screen and saying it is "more accurate" might be misleading if you're taking all factors into account.

Unless you're a photographer (at which point you should be using a phone for proofing anyway), most average customers aren't going to be overly concerned if the BLUE is a little BLUER... if the screen doesn't let you sketch some quick, smooth lines over a photo for annotation without them looking like you were riding a bull at the time.

Is it worth pointing out? Yes. That's all. Don't keep the subject so rigid simply to crest on the merits of your original compliment. We're just discussing the relative merits of the device as a whole.

~ CB
 
RE: number of apps.

Thousands of iPhone apps are simple wrappers around specialty websites or specific search strings... basically, bookmark apps. Apple just got rid of 1% of their 100,000 apps by removing that fellow who had over 1,000 of them linking to copyrighted online books etc.

There are many incredibly simplistic apps, which barely deserve the name. Besides the nasty sound ones, there are virtual lighters, virtual glasses of beer, flashlights, levels and others which are hardly more than a variation of some of Apple's sample code.

There's also many copycat apps. You can barely publish something without a half dozen people quickly doing the same thing. Other app stores are similar in having multiple versions of a particular thing. For example, I decided to buy a bowling game for my daughter to use on a WM phone, and was honestly surprised to find several good ones available.

Mind you, I love the iPhone USA Today and eBay apps, along with other favorites :)

I bring all this up because I'm wondering if anyone's done an analysis of how many truly unique apps there are out there for any device. I'd make a wild guess that there's only like 10,000 unique apps in the world... everything else is a copy. Anybody else got a guess or a researched figure? Thanks!

I agree with you and that applies to everything, even desktop OSs(Windows, Mac, Linux)

There's only so much you can do on any device. Some similar software has more function and/or are more well designed. Some have bugs others don't. Some are paid for apps, others are free. Etc ... Etc ...

To expect every single app to be original is like expecting only one sports game and one console.
 
RE: number of apps.

Thousands of iPhone apps are simple wrappers around specialty websites or specific search strings... basically, bookmark apps. Apple just got rid of 1% of their 100,000 apps by removing that fellow who had over 1,000 of them linking to copyrighted online books etc.

There are many incredibly simplistic apps, which barely deserve the name. Besides the nasty sound ones, there are virtual lighters, virtual glasses of beer, flashlights, levels and others which are hardly more than a variation of some of Apple's sample code.

There's also many copycat apps. You can barely publish something without a half dozen people quickly doing the same thing. Other app stores are similar in having multiple versions of a particular thing. For example, I decided to buy a bowling game for my daughter to use on a WM phone, and was honestly surprised to find several good ones available.

Mind you, I love the iPhone USA Today and eBay apps, along with other favorites :)

I bring all this up because I'm wondering if anyone's done an analysis of how many truly unique apps there are out there for any device. I'd make a wild guess that there's only like 10,000 unique apps in the world... everything else is a copy. Anybody else got a guess or a researched figure? Thanks!

Good points, but one thing to point out is that there is probably more variety than you think. Many of the apps are specific to special markets. For example, I've had great success with apps dedicated to the law industry, and while you don't hear about that sort of app, and while most people have no need or interest in them, the fact that this sort of app is available makes the platform more desirable for an entire industry. Of course it's true that after I released these apps about a dozen copycats showed up and cloned many of them, but I would still say that there are more than 10,000 unique apps out there. This was one of the things that was great about the Palm platform back in the day - specialized apps for particular needs. The only problem with iPhone is that because of the iPhone software price structure and the ease of copying these app ideas, the price gets pushed down to zero and so there's little long-term reason to target niche markets like this.
 
RE: number of apps.

Thousands of iPhone apps are simple wrappers around specialty websites or specific search strings... basically, bookmark apps. Apple just got rid of 1% of their 100,000 apps by removing that fellow who had over 1,000 of them linking to copyrighted online books etc.

There are many incredibly simplistic apps, which barely deserve the name. Besides the nasty sound ones, there are virtual lighters, virtual glasses of beer, flashlights, levels and others which are hardly more than a variation of some of Apple's sample code.

There's also many copycat apps. You can barely publish something without a half dozen people quickly doing the same thing. Other app stores are similar in having multiple versions of a particular thing. For example, I decided to buy a bowling game for my daughter to use on a WM phone, and was honestly surprised to find several good ones available.

Mind you, I love the iPhone USA Today and eBay apps, along with other favorites :)

I bring all this up because I'm wondering if anyone's done an analysis of how many truly unique apps there are out there for any device. I'd make a wild guess that there's only like 10,000 unique apps in the world... everything else is a copy. Anybody else got a guess or a researched figure? Thanks!
Agreed. Quantity does not equal quality. One would first need to develop acceptable, objective criteria for "uniqueness" however.

That said, the iPhone has a far greater number of quality applications than Android (in my opinion). While this comment is somewhat subjective, the Android marketplace has done a poor job of repaying developer's sacrifice. Hopefully that changes, but its a huge issue. iPhone games are better (I love Elminator Pro, Scrabble, and Assasin's Creed). iPhone productivity apps are (by and large) more useful. For example, I REALLY love Log Me In Ignition, Sketches, Quicken, Grocery IQ, and Zillow. Are there apps like these on Android? Not really. I think there might be something like "Sketches" but its hard to tell.

As an aside, it also seems there little reason (to me) that Google doesn't allow people to preview Android apps on a computer without the need to go through some 3rd party website. At least Apple has iTunes. Seems very silly.

~ CB
 
Since Verizon will be getting the iphone, will we be able to use our existing iphone to switch to Verizon ? Back to the Droid, I must admit, I was excited to try it in the Verizon store, but left very disappointed. I liked Verizon's other Google phone 1000% better. Also liked Sprint's HTC Hero way more. I just didn't like Droid's keyboard, nor the rest of the phone. To each his own, but I've fallen in love with touch screens and virtual keyboards. Not that I'm thinking of switching, I will stay with the iphone, my favorite gadget of all time. But if it comes to Verizon, I may switch carriers.
 
Since Verizon will be getting the iphone, will we be able to use our existing iphone to switch to Verizon ? Back to the Droid, I must admit, I was excited to try it in the Verizon store, but left very disappointed. I liked Verizon's other Google phone 1000% better. Also liked Sprint's HTC Hero way more. I just didn't like Droid's keyboard, nor the rest of the phone. To each his own, but I've fallen in love with touch screens and virtual keyboards. Not that I'm thinking of switching, I will stay with the iphone, my favorite gadget of all time. But if it comes to Verizon, I may switch carriers.

Verizon isn't getting the iPhone. And if it did, your exising phone would not work on Verizon.
 
I recently tried the Moto Droid and ended up returning it after a day. the UI was not intuitive at all, but that could just be because I only had the phone for a day. Nonetheless, I was comfortable with the iPhone's UI after about a day.

But the main reason I returned it was this:
1. Check gmail
2. "Sorry! The gmail application has stopped unexpectedly."
3. Force close
4. Repeat 1-3 X3
5. Search for solutions, nada. Post on Droid forums, no answers after a day
6. Check google maps
7. "Sorry! The google maps application has stopped unexpectedly."
8. Force close
9. Repeat steps 6-8 X3
10. Search for solutions, nada. Post on Droid forums, no answers after a day.
11. Factory restart
12. Repeat 1-3 and 6-8

This was a brand new out-of-the-box Droid. I was very disappointed with it.
 
Bad unit. You said you did a factory restart/reset. Were you able to do a "restore" like with the iPhone, was was this something simply on the phone that "restarted" the phone to the shipping condition but didn't necessarily fix corrupted files from a bad setup?

~ CB

I have no idea. But the lack of support by VZW and online didn't help. I didn't have time to troubleshoot it, and the fact that apparently no one had a solid solution for this gave me enough pause to decide to return the phone and wait for something else.
 
I have no idea. But the lack of support by VZW and online didn't help. I didn't have time to troubleshoot it, and the fact that apparently no one had a solid solution for this gave me enough pause to decide to return the phone and wait for something else.


lol, clown...:rolleyes:
 
What's so funny? When you buy an expensive gadget and it doesn't work right out of the box you have some sort of obligation to troubleshoot instead of taking it as a sign that further problems are ahead?


the duplicity in this thread and the imac thread is comical.

so what you are saying is that if an iPhone needs a restore to work (which many do) then it should just be returned?

The Op didn't even do that with the droid..!

I guess he got it to make him feel better about his iPhone. :rolleyes:
 
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