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Went to Note 3 for a week, back to iOS 7 and iPhone 5S.
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When someone says they don't like an Android device, everyone accuses them of starting a flame war or having an agenda. Funny. Maybe they really just don't like the phone. Not everybody loves Android, Touchwiz, or Samsung. I see people posting all of the time of how they don't like the iPhone and are switching to Android. I don't see as many people accusing them of starting flame wars.
No one is disagreeing with personal preference.
We are disagreeing with the OP's reason being memory management and lack of ability to disable stock apps as outlined as it is flawed when you consider the device he is moved to is even more locked down and has less ram.
Also folks who change devices or buy something to return it for something else in general don't create new threads, and if they do they usually outline their reasons more subjectively and in greater detail, not with questionable logic that with further doesn't stand up to scrutiny / debate .
The creation of a thread is surely to discuss / debate and to illicit some response. Not just blow smoke up the ops ass. So whilst it's ok to respect people's preferences, we don't have to all pat them on the back if we disagree with their outlined reasoning.
Idk what you're talking about. I see threads like that all of the time. People always make threads just to announce to the world that they're switching to Android.
Cause there is too many unbelievable reasons behind a lot of these types of threads. Those threads that sound legit don't get the accusations.
I see those threads in the iphone/IOS7 forum as well, and they're all met with ridicule and discontent, lol!
Yeah, so unbelievable.
It's probably that some people just don't want to believe it.
A few months ago I said I didn't like my laggy ass Nexus 7, and everyone went ******* insane b/c I said I thought Apple's app store had a better selection than the Play store, and I prefered iPad tablet apps. Can't say anything bad about Android without being accused of starting a flame war.
Yeah, so unbelievable.
It's probably that some people just don't want to believe it.
A few months ago I said I didn't like my laggy ass Nexus 7, and everyone went ******* insane b/c I said I thought Apple's app store had a better selection than the Play store, and I prefered iPad tablet apps. Can't say anything bad about Android without being accused of starting a flame war.
Ok, if you say so ...... but I don't believe you.
Yeah, that's true, but I feel like people are so much more... aggressive in this part of the forum. Well just certain people.
Meh, I would say that some here may disagree, or blindly defend their purchase, but what you'll never see here are comments like:
"You're a moron, go play with your plastic POS"
"You want to give up quality for crapware, be my guest"
"OMG, be happy with all of your viruses"
"Steve Jobs would've never allowed..." Oops, I got a little carried away there!
It's not so much about speed anymore as current gen memory hardware makes up for that. It's about app loading. A good comparison test I did was open up a memory hungry game such as Real Racing 3 and then see how many apps you can have open. This was apprent to me because every time I would go to browse with Chrome or Firefox I felt like it always had to be refreshed. Obviously, for someone who only has a handful of apps it's not a problem.
exactly......Try to praise Samsung in the iPhone forum and you'll get crucified.
try posting this in the iPhone forum as a test....and see what the responses are....
CNET says the older Samsung Galaxy S3 touch screen is more accurate than the iPhone 5s.....
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57609329-94/samsung-galaxy-s3-outpaces-iphone-5s-5c-in-touch-accuracy/
what would be the point of a web browser running while playing a game?
i use ios and android daily and the ios multi tasking is way better
I'm saying that the OS is a whole much more efficient that Android. It makes the 3GB ram a moot point.
My experience is for example: I would be playing a game, take a phone call. During the phone call I'd have to look something up. Go back to the game and guess what? My game progress was lost. I did not expect this with 3GB of ram. On my 5S it takes quite a bit for apps to get booted out of memory.
You know what's the reality? Is that some people have a hard time accepting the truth. In this case and is in many more is not better.
Do you want me to post pictures? Upload a video to youtube? Why would a waste my time posting this???
Like I said, I really loved the screen on the Note...
You are not the OP, correct? Or maybe you are and this is another account you use to troll with...
I've been primarily an iOS user for years now. I've dabbled with the Android ecosystem on and off but I never found them up to snuff relatively speaking. The Note 3 was my most recent foray into the Android world and it has been, to put it mildly, a very bumpy ride:
-On my second Note 3. Both have suffered spontaneous and frequent crashes of the entire phone to a black screen, necessitating battery pulls to get it back up and running, only to suffer boot loops until I magically get it semi-stable again. A user here suggested I run a phone in SAFE mode, and thus far, this is the most stable the phone has been since day 1.
-Clearly, given my issues above, the app ecosystem just flat out is amateur hour. Nobody should be able to write an app that crashes the phone into a hard-lock situation, but yet, they somehow have managed to do so. I've not yet figure out which app (or, likely, apps) are causing this kind of crash, but I've read enough in researching the issue to know that while not common, this is fully possible given the non-curated nature of the Google Play store.
-The numerous tweaks and settings are not always that straightforward. You have to tame this beast if you want to customize it beyond wallpapers, widgets and ringtones. And the fact that you CAN customize the user experience is likely what is causing the issues above as every damn app asks for access to your grandma's panty drawer just to give you some basic feature that should have been built into the phone in the first place. Its a maddening array of switches and buried settings that are nowhere near intuitive or even make sense. Allow Wifi scanning even when Wifi is off? Seriously, why the hell should I have to turn that off?
-Processes spin up other processes, seemingly like rabbits on viagra and fertility pills. The reason you gotta have so much RAM is because the OS gives it up like the high school prom queen to anything that asks. Horrid memory management. Reminds me of the old Software Carousel days and Terminate-Stay-Resident programming tricks for memstack usage.
Now I'm sure a few of the myopic fools on these boards have already shut me down at this point as a flame against Android. But you'd miss out on something that I think the OP is as well. So read on if you want a moment of redemption.
In SPITE of all the above things I hate hate HATE about Android 4.3, I gotta say that the forwards trajectory of the OS is soooo much nicer than anything I've seen from iOS 7. Or likely to see from iOS 8. Android is growing up. These are puberty pains, to be sure, but they aren't anywhere near as harsh as they used to be. Even with my misbehaving apps, the OS maker figured that a Safe Mode was a need-to-have and gave me a debugging tool (however crude) to self-curate. And with that I have to believe in some of the other memtrace and other debugging tools that I can get from the Play store. Because this truly is emerging as an open systems platform and with that open systems development AND debugging are now firmly entrenched in their DNA. This makes it programmer (or wanna be tinkerer/programmer) friendly in the extreme. You can do soooo much high tech wizardry with an Android device out of the box. You may question the value of NEEDING to do these things, but you can and that opens up opportunities you'll never see possible on the iOS platform.
For example, take Airplay. Pretty cool on iOS, I can drag and drop my screen onto my Apple TV and view things there. Similar features, nowhere near as well developed on Android, do exist if you've got a compatible TV (Samsung TV's have this built in and it works well with Samsung phones). But what about the reverse? What if I want to hook up an Actiontec HDMI wireless signal from my transmitter and receive it on my phone? Turn any analog/digital service into a streaming service? Can you do that with iOS? No, you can't. Can you do that with Android? Actually, you can. I've got a couple of engineers that have a prototype working of this already for a custom app we are considering. Its not that hard, you don't have to ask permission of anyone to do it (DRM issues excluded obviously), don't have to hope that Apple 'certifies' it for you. You just apply know-how and you do it.
That kind of freedom has a price, to be sure. See my issues above. But you also get some very nice perks:
-Bigger screen size. It matters. Really, it does. So much more real estate to work with. Actually make some apps usable while still keeping form factor very portable.
-Bigger battery to power that screen = more juice, especially if you manage screen-on time wisely. I get almost two business days worth of use out of my Note 3 between charges.
-Don't really care about the specs...this is still a phone, not a laptop replacement.
-anything basic you can do on iOS you can do on Android. Maybe not out of the box, but its doable. I've yet to see a single thing that isn't hard-coded for the Apple ecosystem as an exclusive feature (iTunes native synching).
-Google synch for email, contacts, calendars, etc....all work just as well as with iOS. Google clearly is pushing the game harder at iOS these days but I doubt they'll let Android lag behind (Hangouts, etc.)
Tech issues aside, the freedom to make this phone anything you want is exceedingly valuable for some types of users.
For others, perhaps the OP, the value in just adopting something simpler that works very well and is all but guaranteed to not require "fiddling" is a higher value.
One is a matter of conformity and acceptance. The other is a matter of self-reliance. Really does come down to personal choice.
Last point: If you really enjoy getting the highest quality entertainment apps with the broadest selection possible, there is little contest to the iTunes App Store. I can't see how anyone but an absolute denier-of-the-truth would state that. Games, pastime killers, etc. all are far more abundant, have higher production values and are just more plentiful (and usually released first) on Apple. But there is no lack of apps on Android....just have to be a bit more selective about your choices.
I'd say a week of ownership is about right to see if it suits your personality and needs. If it doesn't, move on.
-On my second Note 3. Both have suffered spontaneous and frequent crashes of the entire phone to a black screen, necessitating battery pulls to get it back up and running, only to suffer boot loops until I magically get it semi-stable again. A user here suggested I run a phone in SAFE mode, and thus far, this is the most stable the phone has been since day 1.
-Clearly, given my issues above, the app ecosystem just flat out is amateur hour. Nobody should be able to write an app that crashes the phone into a hard-lock situation, but yet, they somehow have managed to do so. I've not yet figure out which app (or, likely, apps) are causing this kind of crash, but I've read enough in researching the issue to know that while not common, this is fully possible given the non-curated nature of the Google Play store.
-The numerous tweaks and settings are not always that straightforward. You have to tame this beast if you want to customize it beyond wallpapers, widgets and ringtones. And the fact that you CAN customize the user experience is likely what is causing the issues above as every damn app asks for access to your grandma's panty drawer just to give you some basic feature that should have been built into the phone in the first place. Its a maddening array of switches and buried settings that are nowhere near intuitive or even make sense. Allow Wifi scanning even when Wifi is off? Seriously, why the hell should I have to turn that off?
-Processes spin up other processes, seemingly like rabbits on viagra and fertility pills. The reason you gotta have so much RAM is because the OS gives it up like the high school prom queen to anything that asks. Horrid memory management. Reminds me of the old Software Carousel days and Terminate-Stay-Resident programming tricks for memstack usage.
Now I'm sure a few of the myopic fools on these boards have already shut me down at this point as a flame against Android. But you'd miss out on something that I think the OP is as well. So read on if you want a moment of redemption.
In SPITE of all the above things I hate hate HATE about Android 4.3, I gotta say that the forwards trajectory of the OS is soooo much nicer than anything I've seen from iOS 7. Or likely to see from iOS 8. Android is growing up. These are puberty pains, to be sure, but they aren't anywhere near as harsh as they used to be. Even with my misbehaving apps, the OS maker figured that a Safe Mode was a need-to-have and gave me a debugging tool (however crude) to self-curate. And with that I have to believe in some of the other memtrace and other debugging tools that I can get from the Play store. Because this truly is emerging as an open systems platform and with that open systems development AND debugging are now firmly entrenched in their DNA. This makes it programmer (or wanna be tinkerer/programmer) friendly in the extreme. You can do soooo much high tech wizardry with an Android device out of the box. You may question the value of NEEDING to do these things, but you can and that opens up opportunities you'll never see possible on the iOS platform.
For example, take Airplay. Pretty cool on iOS, I can drag and drop my screen onto my Apple TV and view things there. Similar features, nowhere near as well developed on Android, do exist if you've got a compatible TV (Samsung TV's have this built in and it works well with Samsung phones). But what about the reverse? What if I want to hook up an Actiontec HDMI wireless signal from my transmitter and receive it on my phone? Turn any analog/digital service into a streaming service? Can you do that with iOS? No, you can't. Can you do that with Android? Actually, you can. I've got a couple of engineers that have a prototype working of this already for a custom app we are considering. Its not that hard, you don't have to ask permission of anyone to do it (DRM issues excluded obviously), don't have to hope that Apple 'certifies' it for you. You just apply know-how and you do it.
That kind of freedom has a price, to be sure. See my issues above. But you also get some very nice perks:
-Bigger screen size. It matters. Really, it does. So much more real estate to work with. Actually make some apps usable while still keeping form factor very portable.
-Bigger battery to power that screen = more juice, especially if you manage screen-on time wisely. I get almost two business days worth of use out of my Note 3 between charges.
-Don't really care about the specs...this is still a phone, not a laptop replacement.
-anything basic you can do on iOS you can do on Android. Maybe not out of the box, but its doable. I've yet to see a single thing that isn't hard-coded for the Apple ecosystem as an exclusive feature (iTunes native synching).
-Google synch for email, contacts, calendars, etc....all work just as well as with iOS. Google clearly is pushing the game harder at iOS these days but I doubt they'll let Android lag behind (Hangouts, etc.)
Tech issues aside, the freedom to make this phone anything you want is exceedingly valuable for some types of users.
For others, perhaps the OP, the value in just adopting something simpler that works very well and is all but guaranteed to not require "fiddling" is a higher value.
One is a matter of conformity and acceptance. The other is a matter of self-reliance. Really does come down to personal choice.
Last point: If you really enjoy getting the highest quality entertainment apps with the broadest selection possible, there is little contest to the iTunes App Store. I can't see how anyone but an absolute denier-of-the-truth would state that. Games, pastime killers, etc. all are far more abundant, have higher production values and are just more plentiful (and usually released first) on Apple. But there is no lack of apps on Android....just have to be a bit more selective about your choices.
I'd say a week of ownership is about right to see if it suits your personality and needs. If it doesn't, move on.
yep, last few years i've had a few devices of ios and android from the same generation. ios always wins on performance even though the paper specs are lower
ios doesn't keep the apps in memory, it writes the state of the app to the storage. up to the dev to do this and i think it was first introduced in ios 4. android does it to some extent but not as good as ios
Since v4.x (in my S2/S3/Note2/S4/Note3), I have never encountered an app that crashed the phone (needing a battery pull). Maybe you can share with us what apps you have installed which may have caused phone to crash to black screen needing a battery pull. Not sure whether you have rooted your phone and install some adulterated ROMs. If you did, that may have caused the instability. Android as of now is very stable.
Why customize then? Dont customize and use it like the boring iphone UI. And if that is not easy enough then set "Easy Mode" launcher. Are you complaining just because Android gives you the option to customize?
Seriously. Isnt this option in the "Advance" menu? Just dont touch it. This can save some battery if you want. Iphone doesnt have this? of course. That's because iphone is a piece of dead brick when the screen is off.
I leave this option on because the background location-based automation apps I have can get faster and better gps fix. I have an app to auto send SMS to inform the person I am near the pick-up point. So much use you can get out of Android that you can never do in iOS.
Memory management on Android is just fine. Just because you can see system info like free RAM/processes then you complain. In iOS you can't see any of these system info then how do you know everything is fine?.
The main yardstick I use is no matter how many apps (including background services) I run on my Note3, it doesnt slow down. And that is what matters.
How about just simple things? I can buy a cheap and easy to carry around MHL cable and I can display the Note 3 screen on ANY TV. Or plug your portable drive directly to phone and copy huge files?
Can't believe such basic things are not possible on Iphone.
There is really no big issues. Use the Note 3 like a typical person do then Note 3 is much more usable than iphone. On the flip side, tinker your iphone by jailbreaking it then you will encounter many more issues than you would encounter if you use it normally.
^^. I'm on my second stock Verizon Note 3. Same issue with both. Factory reset multiple times on both. Currently running 24 hours in safe mode without a spontaneous reboot. So appears to be an app conflict.
Other than all the apps that came pre-installed....
-Facebook
-LinkedIn
-Lookout
That's it. Uninstalled Lookout but reboots continued. Swapped in a new battery in both devices but reboots continue. No SD card installed.
I suspect a pre-installed app conflict, maybe Ant or Ant+.
Other than all the apps that came pre-installed....
-Lookout
That's it. Uninstalled Lookout but reboots continued. Swapped in a new battery in both devices but reboots continue. No SD card installed.
I suspect a pre-installed app conflict, maybe Ant or Ant+.
Maybe Lookout is the problem? I use Norton, no issue with it. I am bit wary of these system altering anti-virus/security apps.
I have a personal practice of testing any new computer, tablet, or smartphone in its box stock configuration for a few days to one week depending on how it performs during each session. It's one of the reason I elect to pay the high prices Apple charges for CTO / BTO options on my MBA or rMBP Laptops. It assures me that in the rare event I have a problem there's no question about the integrity of the warranty.
Thanks to Apples procrastination and reluctance to offer a modern size display on the iPhone 5S, I finally gave up on them and bought a Galaxy Note 3. I am so impressed, happy and productive with this phone it's just incredible. After performing flawlessly I've installed the apps I use for work and personal. The speed stability and ease of use is wonderful.
Never did I think I'd be pushed to a Android by Apple since I've spent well over a decade as a very happy Apple computer user, that's had every iPhone since day one. It's bittersweet only because I have a fondness for Apple, but will not be held back by them.
Who knows, perhaps the rumors we're seeing about them finally catching up to Samsung and offering an efficient size display will come true in the next year or two.
Thanks to Apples procrastination and reluctance to offer a modern size display on the iPhone 5S, I finally gave up on them and bought a Galaxy Note 3. I am so impressed, happy and productive with this phone it's just incredible. After performing flawlessly I've installed the apps I use for work and personal. The speed stability and ease of use is wonderful.
Never did I think I'd be pushed to a Android by Apple since I've spent well over a decade as a very happy Apple computer user, that's had every iPhone since day one. It's bittersweet only because I have a fondness for Apple, but will not be held back by them.
Who knows, perhaps the rumors we're seeing about them finally catching up to Samsung and offering an efficient size display will come true in the next year or two.
I have about 60 apps installed in Note 3 with no conflicts here.
I suspect that indeed lookouts maybe the problem. Perhaps a conflict with Samsung own Knox security that is baked into the OS? Or the verizon firmware itself. (Perhaps run with lookouts for a while or disable Knox)
I've only had one app force close in my time with the Note 3 and that was Google play music whilst it was streaming music one time it seemed to get stuck once.
Other than that no reboots, random crashes or erroneous behaviour. My phone has never stuttered or lagged, never needed a battery pull etc...