I'd like to be able to swap out my sim card when I go snowboarding... I really don't think I'd feel too comfortable taking my iphone with me on the slopes, but the $30 phone I buy on ebay would fit the bill perfectly.
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what about that sim card slot?
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there was a time when the phone # was not attached to a sim... and that technology worked fine.
hello? people?
Your contacts are backed up on your mac, also on .mac if you choose.
The phone number can be assigned by any system at&t choose, it does NOT have to be by sim.
before you start freaking out, wait a few more days, for a few more leaks.
Site a *credible* source for this. Without that, the rest of this thread is crap.
There has to be a user-replaceable SIM.
dont accuse me of posting crap:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/06/04/apple-iphone-details-a-plenty/
It has nothing to do with "a time", but rather with the technology used. CDMA (Sprint/Verizon) does not use SIMs. Those people are locked to the one phone they have. GSM (T-Mobile/CingAT&Tular, and the whole rest of the planet besides Japan) uses SIMs to keep your account separate from your physical phone. I can buy any unlocked GSM phone I like and swap my SIM into it, and it works. Can't do that with non-GSM devices. Therefore, I don't consider the non-SIM concept to be 'working fine', I consider it 'sucking much'.
Only slightly off-topic, but all the referrals to the "battery" should be the "batteries." Plural. There's two of them. One for the phone, one for everything else. That's why the claim of 5 hours talk time and 16 hours of music/video playback.
So, that means there's twice the goodness of Apple non-warrantee battery(2) replacement, I guess...
So, that means there's twice the goodness of Apple non-warrantee battery(2) replacement, I guess...
I said a *credible* source. That is not. From the link:
Rumours != fact. Those unattributed and unsupported claims seem to be pulled straight out of the author's @$$, which would make them crap in terms of credibility.
Translation: We're stirring the pot to generate site hits and amuse our attention-whore selves, and this disclaimer lets us do it with impunity.
Understand this: The CEO of Apple, Inc. stated publicly and on the record that there would be a SIM slot. He did not qualify it by saying that they were 'thinking about it', or that it was 'subject to change'. Furthermore, the documents filed with the FCC support what he disclosed at the keynote address. That's the main reason why he disclosed the iPhone (besides to generate 'buzz') - the phone had to be submitted to the FCC for approval, the specs in the documents *were* going to be made public by the FCC by law, so it's better for Apple to announce it themselves first.
Making a product announcement has an effect on the stock price. If they made false or misleading statements which caused the price to go up more than it would have if people had not been misled, they could/would be investigated and charged by the SEC. ANY public company's product announcements have to be carefully managed to avoid this. It is extremely unlikely that the phone design (e.g. elminating the external SIM slot) would be changed without some corrective announcement. Improving the stated features (more memory, faster processor) is different, so don't try that argument.
Seriously, everybody chill with the hype & hysteria. It'll be out in 3 weeks!
you're most certainly right about the problematic quality of a rumour.
me thinks though those guys had a device in their hand (no photoshop photos).
no sim slot though wouldnt surprise me - it would be perfectly logical regarding the exclusivity at&t enjoys for the first few months.
an overseas version of the phone later on would most certainly have a slot.
there wont be one iphone, there will be many to come.
So, that means there's twice the goodness of Apple non-warrantee battery(2) replacement, I guess...
I think that the talk just uses more power, and that it the reason for the time difference, it is just one battery.
I don't see why there is so much talk about a removable sim card. The iPhone is unfortunately a locked phone, so it shouldn't work with any other Sim's anyway. I think that totally bites becuase I HATE being locked down by anyone.
But - it has a SIM. And, even if you can't put your existing SIM card into it, you can still keep your number even now. For example when I sent a GSM swimming with the fishes - (literally) - I got a totally new phone, with a new SIM card, but with all the same service, number, etc - they just associated a new SIM with my account. So, on multiple fronts there is no need for
to work out anything on this.But - it has a SIM. And, even if you can't put your existing SIM card into it, you can still keep your number even now. For example when I sent a GSM swimming with the fishes - (literally) - I got a totally new phone, with a new SIM card, but with all the same service, number, etc - they just associated a new SIM with my account. So, on multiple fronts there is no need for
but that required ***manual*** access to the sim card. they simply physically changed the card. thats no problem. you can re-issue sim-cards with the same number within minutes. what some people are worried is: no access to no sim-card.
That's only 50% of the issue. The other half is that the SIM would work with OTHER PHONES.
I got a SonyEricsson T615 from the old AT&T when they first deployed GSM service in my area. When Nokia released the 6600 'series60' smartphone, I desperately wanted one. They weren't available 'legitimately' in the US at the time, but I bought one from an online vendor, popped my SIM in it, and had the coolest phone for a long time. Later I wanted the 850MHz coverage that the Nokia 6600 didn't have, so I got a Motorola V551, popped my SIM in it, and got on with life. I refurbished my old Nokia with a firmware upgrade & a new case, and used it occasionally as a spare, or when the mood struck be, by putting my SIM in it whenever I chose.
My sister had a Motorola through Cingular as well, and it started having problems (wouldn't charge, even with a new battery). Since I had the spare Nokia, I sent it to her, she popped *her* SIM card into it, and voila! instant working phone for her.
Now, when I get an iPhone, I'll send my old Motorola to my dad as a replacement for his beat-up whatever-it-is, he'll pop his SIM card into it, and then he'll send me his old phone that I'll keep on the shelf as a 'spare' that I can put my SIM card in and take to the beach instead of my $600 iPhone.
ALL of this is only possible because of user-replaceable SIM cards. That's what the big deal is.
I'm confident that the iPhone will in fact have a user-replaceable SIM.
*SIM = 'subscriber identity module'
not really. i don't have a transcript handy, but i do recall steve saying many times that this is not the final version you will see. still working on it.
so they are under not obligation to stay true to the specs given in january.
as for sim mobility: suppose the sim number is physically embedded in the iphone hardware. that would mean every time you need to use "your back-up phone" you would have to speak with someone at AT&T Mobility and have them change it. But under current technology with AT&T M sims, they are a one and done thing. once changed, the system will not let you restore the original sim number (not phone number, SIM CARD NUMBER)
True for the non-essential software and functions, but they can't submit one spec to the FCC for approval as a phone device and then ship something that deviates from what they sought approval for.
That makes no sense at all. If it's a GSM phone, it has to comply with the GSM standards for SIMs. HOWEVER, they could very well make a software feature in the phone that only allows it to work with it's intended SIM card. That would not prevent me from removing the card and using the card in other phones, but it would prevent me from using other SIMs in the iPhone (to foil eBay sales, or prevent it from being black-marketed in Europe). This would not mean that the SIM deviates from the GSM specifications, only that it's a particularly tight form of 'provider lock' (which most subsidised phones have anyway). I could swap my new iPhone SIM into my old Motorola, but not the other way around. This would be a minor problem for people who travel internationally and want to buy cheap, local SIMs in the countries they're visiting.
I don't believe this is accurate. Talk time/video/web playback, and audio playback estimated times are quoted separately because they require varying degrees of processing power. There is nothing in Apple's specs or otherwise to believe there are two batteries.Only slightly off-topic, but all the referrals to the "battery" should be the "batteries." Plural. There's two of them. One for the phone, one for everything else. That's why the claim of 5 hours talk time and 16 hours of music/video playback.
So, that means there's twice the goodness of Apple non-warrantee battery(2) replacement, I guess...
As for the iPhone not having a sim card that would be a MAJOR drawback for myself. Probably enough to have me reconsider purchasing. I routinely switch out sims depending upon my activity at the present time. There is no way I'm going to carry my $600, relatively large device, "everywhere" I go. This was one of my main impetus in leaving CDMA. I hope Apple doesn't take it that far.
Apple's already stated there are two. The issue of times has already been discussed (back in Jan/Feb) with Apple clearly stating that these were and times, not or times because of seperate batteries.
Really?even if the sim card and battery is internal it still will be user replacable. Apple is not that stupid
I'd like to see a link to an official announcement of two batteries. All I've heard is Kevin Rose claiming it (along with a bunch of other wrong info).