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What am I missing or is Yosemite the worst OS in history?
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I've been running Yosemite since 10.10.2, now on 10.10.4 I'm not raving excited, but it does get the job done.
Apple has changed, being hyper focused on consumer iStuff on iOS, lip service is what we get on the computer side. That's disappointing, but it's the truth based on my experience as a decades long Mac User & Enthusiast.
Might as well accept and enjoy what they give us now, as it's only going to be dumbed down further. They and the Apple apologists continue to deny that OS X is doomed, convergence they said... would not happen.
Don't look now but their noses are getting longer . .
Apple has changed, being hyper focused on consumer iStuff on iOS, lip service is what we get on the computer side. That's disappointing, but it's the truth based on my experience as a decades long Mac User & Enthusiast.
Might as well accept and enjoy what they give us now, as it's only going to be dumbed down further. They and the Apple apologists continue to deny that OS X is doomed, convergence they said... would not happen.
Don't look now but their noses are getting longer . .
On the surface, I haven't seen any great change with what OS X can do over the years. from 10.3 (or whatever the first OS X version was I used), it has pretty much behaved the same way through to 10.10. Not getting the latest OS is the key, give it 6 months before moving on and all the super keen beta-testers, sorry, "customers" sort out the bugs
Next thing you know Tim Cook will run for Mayor or Governer and completely ignore the problems at Apple.
To be honest, OS-X has enough features, it only needs the bugs fixed. I went though a lot of trouble to "neuter" it because I have no use for so much performance robbing crap.
To be honest, OS-X has enough features, it only needs the bugs fixed. I went though a lot of trouble to "neuter" it because I have no use for so much performance robbing crap.
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I too am so fed up with all my problems with Yosemite I decided enough is enough and went back to Mavericks OS yesterday.
I have a late 2012 i7 MacBook Air. Scrolling in Safari, or Chrome, or Firefox, or in a PDF in Preview, with the trackpad is jerky. I start to scroll and about a second later the OS catches up and jumps down a few lines. I can't work like that - it's very disconcerting and jarring.
The change in behaviour of the maximise button is not very helpful to me. I preferred the separate arrows in the right corner for full screen. Now I have to keep pressing the Alt key before I click the green button to maximize the window.
I absolutely hate all the OS level notifications that keep popping up. It's become like Windows in that respect. It used to be an advantage Apple had - a philosophy even - that the OS would use as few pop up windows as possible to convey important information to the user. What have they done? It's so intrusive.
I now get a blank screen when I hit the back button in Safari to return from a clicked link in Google search results back to the search results. I have to click in the address bar and hit return. But that's not ideal as it will take me back to page 1 of the results, whereas I may actually have gone a few pages in. Again - productivity lost.
The transparency in certain windows in very distracting. I sometimes get a big blur of bright colour appearing behind the top of a Safari window. It looks dreadful.
The beautiful icons and traffic lights have been replaced by these awful flat and uninspiring dumbed down icons. They are ugly as hell. I never did like them on the iPhone and now I have them on the Mac as well. That's just great!
I've used Macs since the System 7 days in 1997. and have always enjoyed each iteration. This is the first time my experience has been so negative.
I am so glad I made a separate partition to try out Yosemite - it saved my bacon. Now I'm back on Mavericks and all my problems have gone away and I can work productively again.
I have a late 2012 i7 MacBook Air. Scrolling in Safari, or Chrome, or Firefox, or in a PDF in Preview, with the trackpad is jerky. I start to scroll and about a second later the OS catches up and jumps down a few lines. I can't work like that - it's very disconcerting and jarring.
The change in behaviour of the maximise button is not very helpful to me. I preferred the separate arrows in the right corner for full screen. Now I have to keep pressing the Alt key before I click the green button to maximize the window.
I absolutely hate all the OS level notifications that keep popping up. It's become like Windows in that respect. It used to be an advantage Apple had - a philosophy even - that the OS would use as few pop up windows as possible to convey important information to the user. What have they done? It's so intrusive.
I now get a blank screen when I hit the back button in Safari to return from a clicked link in Google search results back to the search results. I have to click in the address bar and hit return. But that's not ideal as it will take me back to page 1 of the results, whereas I may actually have gone a few pages in. Again - productivity lost.
The transparency in certain windows in very distracting. I sometimes get a big blur of bright colour appearing behind the top of a Safari window. It looks dreadful.
The beautiful icons and traffic lights have been replaced by these awful flat and uninspiring dumbed down icons. They are ugly as hell. I never did like them on the iPhone and now I have them on the Mac as well. That's just great!
I've used Macs since the System 7 days in 1997. and have always enjoyed each iteration. This is the first time my experience has been so negative.
I am so glad I made a separate partition to try out Yosemite - it saved my bacon. Now I'm back on Mavericks and all my problems have gone away and I can work productively again.
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So you bought it last week, or so. You are sonehow qualified to tell those of us using a mac for months and years that there is nothing wrong?
I guess if you are OK with your assertion, then you are entitled to it.
What is with the hostility? Are you always this rude to people who have done nothing wrong except contribute an opinion/experience to a thread? I did not tell you or anyone else they were wrong.
Yup. Unfortunately my mac and airbook both downloaded yosemite and now (immediately after) my mail hangs and crashes, all browsers hang and crash. It is AWFUL! The IT 'industry' is the only business sector that can actually f&ck up your stuff and you can't do anything about it - f*cking hate Apple and Google. "Do no evil my arse!"
Agreed. Very sadly, I agree totally.
Very slow indeed. Big delay when starting up software: pages, numbers and worse still, Safari.
iCloud drive takes forever to sync. Notes won't sync at all. Crash, crash, crash every day.
iCal refuses to allow us to type in the address of our Clients and puts it's own version instead.
It's laughable.
Roll on El Capitan, but only if the rumours that they're focussing on function instead of daft features are true.
You are lucky.From the first day I have
Glad you enjoying working with your mac issues free.Im a camera operator and video editor working with 1080p after sell my flawless iMac 2010 with 10.6.8 to upgrade with a retina macbook pro 2013 shipped with mavericksFor me after i purchased
Don't forget wifi constantly drops and bluetooth discovery problems.And we are in fifth release.Ridiculous.
So embarissing to have a client in your studio in a middle of a project and your bluetooth mouse stop responding.
That is odd, mine is absolutely smooth at scrolling and very fast.
I don't mind them, to be fair they are not very intrusive, appear in the corner then disappear. Even windows is not very intrusive these days. That said I don't have that many, only the one OS message saying about an update. What are you getting that is so intrusive?
There must be something fundamentally different with some machines that causes these problems. You would expect that apple have tested in on every hardware platform. So there must be something in the software install or settings cause the problems.
I'm 50-50 on that, sometimes distracting, other times it looks cool.
You do get used to the icons ver quickly. I find the colours much nicer than mavericks.
This is because OS X handles high resolution displays in a fundamentally different manner than Windows does. For the most part, Apple's method makes the use of these screens a LOT more straightforward for the average user, however it undoubtedly requires more computational power to do so. (If you are unfamiliar with the issues with scaling on Windows, look up threads about people connecting the Surface Pro 3's to external monitors - it's been a nightmare until Windows 10 - and even still, it's easy to end up with a lot of blurry content). To add to that, OS X does a lot more animation than Windows so any lag is more noticeable because it's just present in many more regular actions. Some people are more sensitive to this than others. The good news is that El Capitan changes how most of that animation is handled and should make it much smoother on any machine that supports Metal. However at this point, El Capitan has enough bugs that it's not worth the tradeoff to me just to get smoother animations.
Otherwise, the general premise of this thread is rather ridiculous. Some animation lag as we push the limits of the transition to much higher resolution does not make it so. Otherwise, Yosemite has been fabulously stable, and fabulously power efficient in my experience.
Since 10.10.5 came out, all the problems that I have encountered have "dried up". At work I use Windows 7, and if I have multiple Windows open the lag is noticeable. I often see the little circle. But my mac seldom shows the beach-ball. Both computers have 8Gb of RAM. The Windows box has a four core processor. My mac only has two.
Overall I would say the performance is pretty good compated to Windows. i have no idea how Yosemite compares to the other versions. If it is slow, compared to the other versions, then maybe I should look forward to El Captain, but of course I will wait until 10.11.3 or 10.11.4. I would rather get work done than spend my time looking up "work around solutions".
Overall I would say the performance is pretty good compated to Windows. i have no idea how Yosemite compares to the other versions. If it is slow, compared to the other versions, then maybe I should look forward to El Captain, but of course I will wait until 10.11.3 or 10.11.4. I would rather get work done than spend my time looking up "work around solutions".
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Right, I read somewhere there was a difference in the way it handles scaling. Right I know it has more animations which is why I like it. Yep Metal and the performance gains will have me instantly switch. What current bugs are so bad that you feel wont be fixed by release that's keeping you from wanting to update?
I don't think it's ridiculous at all. You're paying $1000+ for a machine that lags out of the box when it shouldn't (look at El Capitan). I'm willing to deal with this because it doesn't take away from every day use and because I know it will be fixed in October.
Update.i did a clean install of yosemite 10.10.5 one week now and the bluetooth discovery bug didn't show up.The WiFi issues is partially fixed though.
As for stability i haven't encounter a single crash except handbrake queue but that is app's bug.Memory management improved and "after some use sluginess" disappeared.Is the first time after yosemite release that i have one week to restart the computer.Αnnoying lag only with Intel HD in the last scaled resolution but with discrete GPU alway on its perfect.
They are in good way,Yosemite need one more upgrade to permanently fix the wifi issues and some better optimised GPU drivers and will be perfect.
As for stability i haven't encounter a single crash except handbrake queue but that is app's bug.Memory management improved and "after some use sluginess" disappeared.Is the first time after yosemite release that i have one week to restart the computer.Αnnoying lag only with Intel HD in the last scaled resolution but with discrete GPU alway on its perfect.
They are in good way,Yosemite need one more upgrade to permanently fix the wifi issues and some better optimised GPU drivers and will be perfect.
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I updated my Macbook which has a pretty vanilla install of Yosemite on it. Bugs I ran into in the short time I kept it installed included a hard lock at login after wake from sleep (never seen that before ever on any of my Macs), the battery percentage gauge not updating, and a missing Sleep slider in the Energy Saver Preferences - and larger sleep drain than I see in Yosemite. On top of that battery life was just not quite as good as it is in Yosemite either. I quickly realized that I value the stability and consistent battery life much more than some dropped frames in animations and scrolling. I hope all of those will be fixed by release (I don't think I indicated otherwise - just that for now it's not worth it for me).
I agree stability has been very good on Yosemite and 10.10.5 fixed a fair bit of the animation skips which is nice. I agree a final strong update would really be all it needs.
Ahh gotcha. I definitely noticed bugs while watching videos but never saw any locking up so that's really odd. Guess I'll hold out on El Cap for a few days probably to see.
Is this the first time you did a clean install with Yosemite? What made you decide to do a clean install? It's nice to hear that things have improved with your system since doing a clean install.
With this version of Yosemite yes.Previous version with clean install the bugs and the sluginess appeared after same time of usage..I can't clearly tell you what make the difference now and work as intended i never had any kind of problems with update.I generally keep my system clean i use a few basic apps for my job.
Thank you mate I was living a nightmare until now.
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I don't think you are exaggerating about the problems you are experiencing with Yosemite.
I made the fatal mistake of upgrading to Yosemite on both my 2011 MacBookPro (8GB RAM. 500GB HD which was only half full) and 2011 iMac 12,2 (16GB RAM, 1TB HD which has over 300GB free) - ie on machines with plenty of RAM and HD space.
MacBookPro Disaster - and lessons learnedTo my horror, the MBP became severely crippled. The cursor lagged and keyboard response was so slow, it was virtually unusable, due to the extremely slow response time. Logging into the App store took ages. I downloaded system Apps to see what was going on with the system, and discovered that even with the cache cleared, and just the finder, and App store open, the machine was using 99% of RAM.
I assumed the Download was corrupted, and tried to Download it again, discovering a new problem - the MBP was frequently dropping off the Wifi. I checked, and so was the iMac. I contacted our ISP who said their connection was fine. So I did a speed test using a Chromebook on the same network. Our DL speed was 20Mbps, upload 9Mbps (ie fine) - but an app I used that tested the connection speed showed the Mac (when it was connecting to the Wifi at all) was transferring data to the router at less than 30kbps.
Turns out that this is a common problem
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6995894?tstart=0
I then tried to re-install the system. BUT - I had encrypted the hard drive, and it turns out that Apple changed how Core Storage works (back at Lion OS) - and I could not re-install the system, or downgrade using a flash drive to any older system. Turns out, this fatal Cold Storage error is a common problem.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6603651?start=0&tstart=0
I tried various suggested solutions found online - but no joy.
Finally I took it to a specialty Mac repair centre. They said the machine (bar the hard drive) was OK - but the hard drive (which otherwise tested OK) was non-functional because it was not possible to install the system on it
iMac Saga - read this if you worry about cost of data and value your privacyIt would be fair to suspect that it might have been because the MBP was an old machine that the above occurred, but like you I had upgraded both Macs at the same time. This was because I'd (with reluctance) upgraded the iOS on portable devices, and had been prompted to upgrade the Mac OS. It turns out that Yosemite has (IMO a highly problematic) persistent Notification issue - that you can't disable. (Check upper right corner of your screen). This includes notifications of upgrades from the App store, which you can't disable. At best you can get the notice off the screen, by clicking a remind me (at the latest) tomorrow button.
The other issue is Yosemite may be syncing - despite turning syncing options off. (Other people complain of this. Others have problems with lack of Syncing).
Here are good suggestions for iOS, OS iCloud Syncing issues
http://osxdaily.com/2015/03/16/fix-itunes-12-ios-8-sync-issues/
I don't want to automatically sync data or pics to the cloud, app stores, other devices or anywhere. Nor do I want to be forced to do it.
If I did want to sync, I'd want to be able to specifically select what data, and specifically select from which device and to which device or cloud service. I got turned off syncing years ago when my Mac synced my computer email address book (which did not have phone numbers) to my phone - and wiped out phone number data. IMO, syncing in it's minimally uncontrollable state - sucks.
Any App that repeatedly checks for updates, or repeatedly syncs - will consume bandwidth. Bandwidth is expensive. It ought to be possible to disable Notifications (or anything else that unnecessarily consumes bandwidth like syncing), individually or as a group. It certainly ought to be easy, and obvious how to control syncing on an individual App basis.
Back to the iMac. The iMac displays the same symptoms as the MacBook Pro, but is fortunately, for some unknown reason, not as bad. Its computer to router speed is between 30kbps - 2.2 MBps down, to 20kbps-1.2 Mbps up - far lower than the ISP speed of 20Mbps down, 9Mbps up. It also frequently drops the connection to the router.
With just the App store and finder on - the iMac also consumes 99% of 16GB of RAM!!!!
If I disconnect from the App store and Internet and clear the RAM, RAM usage drops to ~20%.
There is a lag with typing, especially on start-up. And for some reason Apps (even ordinary ones like Preview) repeatedly hang. The hanging of Apps improves after RAM is freed after using a cache clearing App. But this has to be done multiple times a day!
As my MBP was out of commission and iMac running slow with obscene RAM usage I checked for an App to get a better idea of what was likely going on with the Network
If you want to know what's going on with your Network (and are prepared to be horrified) I would strongly recommend the App Store App - Graphical Network Monitor.
It shows the Application, local IP address, remote IP address, status of the connection, amount of data moving up and down and location of the remote server. (You can check out who owns the remote servers shown by checking the IP address on:
https://who.is/
I don't know what's going on, or what the implications are for RAM usage or poor performance of Yosemite or privacy (or if this is normal, and not necessarily related at all) - but even with no syncing on and only the App store turned on, there seems to be a massive amount of data uploaded from my machine - even when not actually browsing the Internet or downloading anything from the App store - just with them on.
I got AdBlockerPlus extension and EFF's Privacy Badger. PPP is off. But there was no improvement in this IMO alarming behaviour.
Graphical Network Monitor shows multiple instances of what looks like same Apple and chrome apps - with different connections, uploading and downloading. Activity dramatically increases even if you just click on Categories in the App store
Tested it on an online retail site and it went bonkers - necessitating scrolling through all connections and uploads/downloads - even though did not click on any item.
Does anyone know if this is normal or is it mega corporate spying? Is this likely affecting RAM or computer performance? Does this indicate a data security issue on the Mac?
I am not a computer geek, but am a very experienced Mac user. I have used Apples from the Apple II (in the 1970s) on - ie for eons - but am now considering changing platforms as this is such bad performance. Having to get a new hard drive or even a new laptop because of Apple Core storage issues is not on.
It does not appear to be affecting everyone (which may be why Apple seems to be ignoring this); but whatever is consuming RAM on Macs, interfering with wifi connections and severely affecting Mac performance is not benign - and Apple needs to sort it.
The culprit seems to be the Yosemite operating system.
What do you think?