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It's funny to hear people balk about how expensive this is. Top of the line mac starting at 3 grand. Adjusted for inflation, I'll bet this Pro starts about the same price as an original 128k. In the 80's and 90's, I had much more expensive systems just to do desktop publishing, which then I was considered a "power user." You can do incredibly so much more on every system sold. The processing power in today's computers hardly get taxed by most users. What other industry can you name that has exponentially increased performance, yet continually charged a lesser and lesser amount? As much as people say Apple gouges, they don't gouge nearly as much as they used to. At a base price of 3 grand, this is extremely competitive.

I don't need the processing power, or I would jump on it. A lot of geezers like me who don't need the processing power won't balk at getting an entry level Pro made in America for 3 grand. The market they lose on people needing slots will be made up by the apple faithful who wouldn't consider the old large Pro. Hopefully an increased market will encourage them to keep it current. The largest problem Pro users have with the new Pro is size which will be the same reason they will sell so many more of them, and thus creating a reason to keep them current, aiding the Pro users in the longterm. Someone will make an TB2 expansion box for those that need it, however, they'll even have to wait longer and spend more.

When you can pick them up used for the price of an iMac, I'd definitely consider it. By then, 4k monitors will be reasonable as well.

Rumors of release in Germany on 12/16 and press release of availability in France 12/18, so I'm guessing it will be Tuesday the 17th. I can't wait to get my TBD, 5x the desktop space of my 13" Air.
 
For some reason I keep reading Dec. 13th…

Hopefully soon even though I don't think delivery will be until Feb.
 
It's funny to hear people balk about how expensive this is. Top of the line mac starting at 3 grand. Adjusted for inflation, I'll bet this Pro starts about the same price as an original 128k.

That's the point, with computer technology you don't adjust for inflation. For centruries (check Ray Kurzweil on this) we got exponential rise in capability. As we're hitting a wall with capability and silicon we also see a drop in price.

Which is what makes the nMP puzzling, the performance increase is modest from what I can see, and the price is going up. Maybe I can justify the $500 increase over the old base MP by the fact that it has two GPU's, Flash and high speed RAM, but now I can't upgrade it.
 
Let's do some numbers for fun :)
Look at bolded numbers. All based on Apple story product card.

Quad-Core and Dual GPU

3.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon E5 processor
Mean it will ship within 3 - 7 days from order

12GB 1866MHz DDR3 ECC memory
Mean it will be shipping from December 18 for 6 cores (18(6+6)). Here they mention December twice to make you be sure of that month.

Dual AMD FirePro D300 with 2GB GDDR5 VRAM each
It is 3+(2*5) = 13 it's day of December when they gonna start preorders

256GB PCIe-based flash storage1
2+5+6 = 13 another clue on preorders date

Coming in December.
(this is obvious)

6, 12, or 18 month
6 core version shipping on December 18.

I hope that will help you out find the date.
 
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