Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
65,203
47,585
In a coffee shop.
Finished Hillbilly Elegy. As a book I found it easy to read, a bit boring in places but overall enjoyable. At the end I found myself liking the author and kind of agreeing to what he was trying to say. It's basically a book about the disadvantaged white working class in the Appalachian region and about the social mobility that took them to the factories in Ohio. His story is about how he escaped this social "class", went to collage and got a good job. He points out that he had the help of his grandparents and points out that without help people are stuck with their lot and do it expect any better.

He had some interesting things to say about "payday loans" in that used correct, they can be of great help. The problem is, however, that, like credit card companies, they rely on those who are unable to use the, "correctly ".

For a lot of kids, especially the kind who manage to escape the disadvantaged social class into which they were born, very often it takes only one adult (it could be a grandparent, a teacher) to take a special interest in them, mentor them, believe in them, and encourage them to believe in themselves for them to be able to effect such an escape.

That book received some very good reviews, I seem to recall.

Would you recommend it?

The worst thing, for me, with ending a book is that it takes me so long to decide what to read next! Do I want to read fiction, non fiction, history, thriller, a classic, Stephen King or Daphne Du maurier. As I write this, not a clue!

Ah. An interesting dilemma; I often have three or four (books) on the go at the same time.

What Daphne du Maurier book is beckoning to you?

I hear yeah on this one......... I have a few graphic novels I am going to read next then I have a feeling it will be the next DT from Stephen King.

Enjoy.
 

AVBeatMan

macrumors 603
Nov 10, 2010
5,968
3,849
For a lot of kids, especially the kind who manage to escape the disadvantaged social class into which they were born, very often it takes only one adult (it could be a grandparent, a teacher) to take a special interest in them, mentor them, believe in them, and encourage them to believe in themselves for them to be able to effect such an escape.

That book received some very good reviews, I seem to recall.

Would you recommend it?



Ah. An interesting dilemma; I often have three or four (books) on the go at the same time.

What Daphne du Maurier book is beckoning to you?



Enjoy.

It's difficult but I don't think I would recommend "A Hillbilly Elegy". It was a quick read and although it touched on the problems of the white Appalachian social class, it did so from one view only, that off the author himself. There's nothing wrong with this of course but it is only one view. I'm not implying that that view is incorrect but would of liked to have known more about what government are doing about it, if anything. Not everyone from that area are the same. I think it was an ok book for what it is but it is not a thorough social study. I don't think that that is what it's meant to be anyway.

As for Du maurier, I have to confess I've only read Rebecca which is one of my favourite books of all time.
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
65,203
47,585
In a coffee shop.
It's difficult but I don't think I would recommend "A Hillbilly Elegy". It was a quick read and although it touched on the problems of the white Appalachian social class, it did so from one view only, that off the author himself. There's nothing wrong with this of course but it is only one view. I'm not implying that that view is incorrect but would of liked to have known more about what government are doing about it, if anything. Not everyone from that area are the same. I think it was an ok book for what it is but it is not a thorough social study. I don't think that that is what it's meant to be anyway.

As for Du maurier, I have to confess I've only read Rebecca which is one of my favourite books of all time.

Very interesting.

I have little instinctive sympathy with the worldview that seems to come from the Appalachians, which is a form of prejudice in itself, and thus, wouldn't mind a nodding acquaintance with someone who can intelligently bridge that world by describing that world and its view of itself to, or with, - what - for a better word, I would describe as the urban (liberal) intelligentsia.

Re Daphne du Maurier, yes, agreed, I loved Rebecca, too. Nothing else she wrote matched it for such narrative power, although I did like a number of her other works.

Here is an interesting foot-note: She wrote the chilling short story "The Birds" that Hitchcock's eponymous movie (which was faithful to her story) adapted for the screen.
 
Last edited:

AVBeatMan

macrumors 603
Nov 10, 2010
5,968
3,849
How are you getting on with The Great War? I've not started it yet. It looks to me more of an academic study rather than an "entertaining" read, if you know what I mean?
 

0388631

Cancelled
Sep 10, 2009
9,669
10,823
It's been about thirty days since I last cracked open the book I mentioned in a post a week or two ago. The one where I'd stated it had been nineteen days since. As I was only forty-five pages in, I suspect I'd be better off starting from the beginning even though I recall most of what had transpired in those forty-five pages.
 

LizKat

macrumors 604
Aug 5, 2004
6,770
36,283
Catskill Mountains
I'm looking forward to Ghost Road, the third and final novel of Regeneration trilogy by Pat Barker.

But not in August... for this month I'm doing beach reads, or well the freebie Prime Kindle pick-one offerings from the past five or six months.... plus the sides of cereal boxes and reading e-book samples of stuff I had downloaded of curiosity. Making a list of some of those books to order from the library when the mobile one comes around again in September.

Can't focus on anything very well with national news being so... weird. Hence that bizarre collection of "What I Am Reading This Summer". = Not.Very.Much. Once in awhile I invest half an hour in a New Yorker long read to make sure I've still got the attention span for it!

The ten-page or so ebook samples are more my speed lately, in between finishing up some sewing projects and admonishing the incorrigible brat-cats about trying to run quality assurance checks on completed items: soft, fluffy nap-zone items...
 
  • Like
Reactions: Scepticalscribe

0388631

Cancelled
Sep 10, 2009
9,669
10,823
The Locals by Jonathan Dee.

Hits close to home (hint: read the synopsis).
[doublepost=1503102375][/doublepost]
The ten-page or so ebook samples are more my speed lately, in between finishing up some sewing projects and admonishing the incorrigible brat-cats about trying to run quality assurance checks on completed items: soft, fluffy nap-zone items...
I wanted to ask you yesterday, but crochet or knitting?
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
65,203
47,585
In a coffee shop.
I'm looking forward to Ghost Road, the third and final novel of Regeneration trilogy by Pat Barker.

But not in August... for this month I'm doing beach reads, or well the freebie Prime Kindle pick-one offerings from the past five or six months.... plus the sides of cereal boxes and reading e-book samples of stuff I had downloaded of curiosity. Making a list of some of those books to order from the library when the mobile one comes around again in September.

Can't focus on anything very well with national news being so... weird. Hence that bizarre collection of "What I Am Reading This Summer". = Not.Very.Much. Once in awhile I invest half an hour in a New Yorker long read to make sure I've still got the attention span for it!

The ten-page or so ebook samples are more my speed lately, in between finishing up some sewing projects and admonishing the incorrigible brat-cats about trying to run quality assurance checks on completed items: soft, fluffy nap-zone items...

The "Ghost Road" is brilliant - well, what can I say? I have been a lone, sole, voice recommending this work on these threads for an age.

Nevertheless, genuinely delighted that you are enjoying it (them) - @LizKat: as you know, I think this trilogy absolutely brilliant.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LizKat and 0388631

LizKat

macrumors 604
Aug 5, 2004
6,770
36,283
Catskill Mountains
I wanted to ask you yesterday, but crochet or knitting?

Quiltmaking, although preferring to work on smaller pieces like wallhangings. Some of them are more just art than destined to be quilted per se, as they don't even have a layer of batting inside. And I'm more into the piecing or appliqué than the quilting. I do send larger stuff out to be quilted.

At the moment, since I have come to admire sashiko stitching and have one book on it, I'm looking for a couple more. The one I got is great for having a lot of patterns shown on grids so you can actually see where you have to set the needle to get the look. I'm branching out now looking more for one of those books that has fewer patterns and more examples of the art of projects, and descriptions of what inspired their selected combination of fabrics, piecework patterns and then the finish-stitching to tie it all together. Eye candy books for winter browsing, basically. But the one below is good for a "bible" on a modern approach to an ancient Japanse way of functional yet decorative stitching.

https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sashiko-Sourcebook-Susan-Briscoe/dp/0715318470

CoverSnapBookOnSashiko.jpg

 
Last edited:

BeefCake 15

macrumors 68020
May 15, 2015
2,050
3,123
Finally finished The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer. The book was wonderful and the author's penmanship with the ability to transition the topics so gracefully made it all worthwhile.

New Book is a bit outside my comfort zone:
51TMQDVSVRL.jpg
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
65,203
47,585
In a coffee shop.
Finally finished The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer. The book was wonderful and the author's penmanship with the ability to transition the topics so gracefully made it all worthwhile.

New Book is a bit outside my comfort zone:
51TMQDVSVRL.jpg

I long loved The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich - William Shirer hailed from that impressive and extremely erudite generation of well-informed, intelligent and widely travelled American journalists who wrote the most beautiful - and deceptively plain - prose.

Longitude is an excellent book, and a story I found absolutely fascinating; it is well worth persevering with, as the tale it tells is utterly compelling and superbly researched.

Actually, I have seen the clocks in question - they are in the British Museum in London. Well worth a visit.
 
Last edited:

LizKat

macrumors 604
Aug 5, 2004
6,770
36,283
Catskill Mountains
The Locals by Jonathan Dee.

Hits close to home (hint: read the synopsis).

I read a review of it by Xan Brooks in The Guardian. Looks promising. Can't decide whether I'd rather read that first or read the reviewer's book "The Clocks in This House All Tell Different Times"... I am so distractible at at summers' end every year.

The impending change of season always says "Hurry!" from two different perspectives, the one an almost glance back at summer which vanishes even as I write this post, and on the other hand the mountain dweller's realization that August nights and September mornings are damn cold, which means winter's almost here but the cupboards are lazily left almost bare --since plenty to eat is just 20' away in a garden-- and who the heck knows where the mittens and snow shovels are.

Think I'm going to save "The Locals" for a November weekend and read "The Clocks..." book on Labor Day weekend to usher in the nominal start of autumn. Clocks aside, I've been on a WWI tear lately and Brooks' novel is a tale wrapped in that period. I'm nearly done with the amazing "Regeneration" trilogy by Pat Barker. I'll give the end of that book at least all due respect of a week without thinking of anyone else's perception of the war that was a gruesome turning point for the whole planet.
[doublepost=1503670483][/doublepost]
Longitude is an excellent book, and a story I found absolutely fascinating; it is well worth persevering with, as the tale it tells is utterly compelling and superbly researched.

Actually, I have seen the clocks in question - they are in the British Museum in London. Well worth a visit.

I'm intrigued. I'll have to make time for this book somehow (but will have to take your word on the real clocks).
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
65,203
47,585
In a coffee shop.
I read a review of it by Xan Brooks in The Guardian. Looks promising. Can't decide whether I'd rather read that first or read the reviewer's book "The Clocks in This House All Tell Different Times"... I am so distractible at at summers' end every year.

The impending change of season always says "Hurry!" from two different perspectives, the one an almost glance back at summer which vanishes even as I write this post, and on the other hand the mountain dweller's realization that August nights and September mornings are damn cold, which means winter's almost here but the cupboards are lazily left almost bare --since plenty to eat is just 20' away in a garden-- and who the heck knows where the mittens and snow shovels are.

Think I'm going to save "The Locals" for a November weekend and read "The Clocks..." book on Labor Day weekend to usher in the nominal start of autumn. Clocks aside, I've been on a WWI tear lately and Brooks' novel is a tale wrapped in that period. I'm nearly done with the amazing "Regeneration" trilogy by Pat Barker. I'll give the end of that book at least all due respect of a week without thinking of anyone else's perception of the war that was a gruesome turning point for the whole planet.
[doublepost=1503670483][/doublepost]

I'm intrigued. I'll have to make time for this book somehow (but will have to take your word on the real clocks).

I thought it brilliant - I love that sort of slightly quirky, but compelling & fascinating history book that deals with a hugely important subject matter - measuring time, distance, and - yes - longitude - with wit, insight and meticulous research.

I read it in one (long) sitting with rapt, utterly absorbed, attention, unable to tear myself away. Yes. Highly recommended.

And I love to see a female historian tackle such topics with aplomb and confidence.
[doublepost=1503670850][/doublepost]The clocks are amazing. Well worth a visit.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LizKat

BeefCake 15

macrumors 68020
May 15, 2015
2,050
3,123
I long loved The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich - William Shirer hailed for that impressive and extremely erudite generation of well-informed, intelligent and widely travelled American journalists who wrote the most beautiful - and deceptively plain - prose.

Longitude is an excellent book, and a story I found absolutely fascinating; it is well worth persevering with, as the tale it tells is utterly compelling and superbly researched.

Actually, I have seen the clocks in question - they are in the British Museum in London. Well worth a visit.

Yeah, I saw the same enjoyable style in Glenn Greenwald's book "No place to hide" as well because of the journalistic background they both share. I was amazed Shirer got so much flack from historians for his book when it was first released, they must've been jealous :)

I am in no way surprised you already read Longitude :) one day I hope to visit the British Museum!

Thanks for your notes on books, very helpful in developing my reading queue.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Scepticalscribe

rhett7660

macrumors G5
Jan 9, 2008
14,380
4,506
Sunny, Southern California
Going to give Joe Hills NOS4A2 a go. While I was thinking about going into book two of the Gunslinger, but I don't know if I want to read all of them just yet. So Joe Hill it is.

I am also reading a few graphic novels right now also. On book 4 of "Y The Last Man", which is a series I freaking love and finished up book one of "Warship Jolly Roger". Already pre-ordered book to of warship. Good series and the art is freaking fantastic.
 

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
65,203
47,585
In a coffee shop.
Yeah, I saw the same enjoyable style in Glenn Greenwald's book "No place to hide" as well because of the journalistic background they both share. I was amazed Shirer got so much flack from historians for his book when it was first released, they must've been jealous :)

I am in no way surprised you already read Longitude :) one day I hope to visit the British Museum!

Thanks for your notes on books, very helpful in developing my reading queue.


If you like that kind of history (and I do - it doesn't all have to be about "High Politics" - though I love that as well, and have spent much of my professional life reading about, researching, teaching on, writing about and working in that world), I'd also recommend "Tulipmania" by Mike Dash. Brilliant and gripping, and absolutely fascinating.

Take a look as well at "Cod" (yes, the fish) by Mark Kurlansky - absolutely amazing.

I came away from each of those books (including Longitude) - and I was a professional teacher of history at the time - thinking, 'wow' - this is brilliant, I have really enjoyed this, and I have learned so much - and been made to look at some things in a new way - and there is a part of me that thought, why the hell did it never even cross my mind to begin to think about wanting to explore, examine and probe those topics?

And, @LizKat, I think you would also like these books.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: BeefCake 15

Scepticalscribe

macrumors Haswell
Jul 29, 2008
65,203
47,585
In a coffee shop.
A few things about Shirer: Firstly, he had worked in Germany until he was asked to leave once Germany declared war on the US in 1941; he had lived through - and reported on (sometimes superbly) what was happening in Germany for US radio (and the print media) in the 30s.

And he spoke German - which meant (unlike Hugh Trevor-Roper, for example), that he had some sort of cultural awareness, and a nose for nuance. As an American 'liberal', living inn (and reporting on)Germany in the 30s, he "got" the horror of what the Nazis were, what they stood for, and what their appalling ambitious were.

After the war, he covered the Nuremberg trials as a reporter.

He was one of the last of that century of outstanding journalists that the US produced - roughly from the 1860s to the 1960s - hardboiled individuals who yet knew their history, culture and politics, and who wrote his articles, and books in an exquisite and deceptively plain prose.

In The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, he made no pretence at objectivity - he loathed the Nazis and had loathed them since the 30s, - but he did attempt to look at what gave rise to them with a scientists's interest in evidence.

And his sources were superlative; just read the footnotes in the book - not just public sources, but letters from leading players who were more than happy to communicate with him in writing and in person (Franz Halder is a case in point).
[doublepost=1503677710][/doublepost]
@Scepticalscribe Have you read the book "Strategy: A History" by Lawrence Freedman? It was recommended and on my list but couldn't find much insight on it of value.

No, I haven't.

As for The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, this was a book I requested from my parents as a birthday present, for my twelfth birthday; it duly arrived, and I devoured it.

Needless to say, at that age, I can't say that I understood everything in it (I remember asking my mother what Shirer could possibly have meant when he wrote about Hitler's "psychological insight" - I didn't understand what the term meant - and she did the best she could to explain what her understanding of the term was) but the history was compelling.

Anyway, I loved it then, and still love it, and have re-visited it at various times in the intervening years - often to check a source, or fact, such as after I had visited some dreadful places in Lithuania in the early 1990s, where the best part of a quarter of a million Jews had been murdered, and, on my return home, I found myself consulting Shirer to check sources; his book corroborated my notes - including some stats, places and numbers I had noted - perfectly.
 
Last edited:

pachyderm

macrumors G4
Jan 12, 2008
10,787
5,450
Smyrna, TN
Finally finished The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer. The book was wonderful and the author's penmanship with the ability to transition the topics so gracefully made it all worthwhile.

New Book is a bit outside my comfort zone:
51TMQDVSVRL.jpg

the rise and fall... is one book i literally love to pick up and flop open and start reading anywhere.

the longitude one has always intrigued me. i really loved the miniseries they made from it.
[doublepost=1503699489][/doublepost]
51NovOjjN%2BL._SX349_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


did mention i was reading this?
 
  • Like
Reactions: BeefCake 15

0388631

Cancelled
Sep 10, 2009
9,669
10,823
I read a review of it by Xan Brooks in The Guardian. Looks promising. Can't decide whether I'd rather read that first or read the reviewer's book "The Clocks in This House All Tell Different Times"... I am so distractible at at summers' end every year.

Oh, nice. That came up a while back in a private book group I'm a part of. Admittedly, I wasn't paying attention to the person who was raving about it, but on second reading, it appears it highlights the torrent of disappointment in post-war England after the first World War. Sounds gripping.

Think I'm going to save "The Locals" for a November weekend and read "The Clocks..." book on Labor Day weekend to usher in the nominal start of autumn. Clocks aside, I've been on a WWI tear lately and Brooks' novel is a tale wrapped in that period. I'm nearly done with the amazing "Regeneration" trilogy by Pat Barker. I'll give the end of that book at least all due respect of a week without thinking of anyone else's perception of the war that was a gruesome turning point for the whole planet.

Sounds good. It would be a nice way to mark the one year anniversary of the three headless horsemen rampaging and propping up a schmuck.


Despite starting the book, I've yet to finish that book I started last month. I think I was on page forty or forty-four. I guess I'll restart it after I'm done with The Locals.

Still need to read a few Isles books and finish up the French mystery.
 

LizKat

macrumors 604
Aug 5, 2004
6,770
36,283
Catskill Mountains
Despite starting the book, I've yet to finish that book I started last month. I think I was on page forty or forty-four. I guess I'll restart it after I'm done with The Locals.

Still need to read a few Isles books and finish up the French mystery.

LOL you make me feel almost too organized for a summer weekend... thanks!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 0388631

0388631

Cancelled
Sep 10, 2009
9,669
10,823
LOL you make me feel almost too organized for a summer weekend... thanks!
Oh, no, I actually like how organized you are. I feel as the older I get, the more I procrastinate and put things off indefinitely. When it should be the other way around. :eek: I used to be on top of things when I was younger. As I take Friday's off, I finally got around to cleaning up my work bench in the garage after making a mess of things fixing a motor from my garage vac about two months ago. The motor finally died this week as I was hoovering up some tiny washers I'd spilled from a container. I need to buy a new one. I've been meaning to buy a new one for a while. :p

This, of course, coming from a person who read Kondo's book on tidiness. :confused: With books, it's come down to "Yeah, I'll spend all night reading it. Simple as pie." I then find myself at 3 AM becoming distracted and watching product reviews because YouTube knows me so well. I didn't have this problem in the days of dial up or before the internet was available and when computers were absurdly expensive.
 

millerj123

macrumors 68030
Mar 6, 2008
2,607
2,730
Just finished reading Kim Stanley Robinson's trilogy
Red Mars
Green Mars
Blue Mars


Don't bother
I was underwhelmed

Why did I read all 3 then?
I hate starting a book/series and not finishing it
It's been a while, but I think I liked at least the first two books, but as I recall, it got tiresome by the third. I slogged through for the same reason.

You want bad? Wizards First Rule. I'm on book 5 or something. I don't like them. I might finish them.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.