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rhett7660

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I’m glad you feel that way! Yes I really love the existence of the Kindle. It’s so good I don’t even know how it can be improved beyond a color screen (for comics), water resistance, changeable backlight color for night time reading. And the Oasis fixes some of those but the price tag was a bit too much for said features. I too use the iOS app to catch up on books should the kindle be elsewhere.

Which one did you go for? I used to own a gen 1 Paperwhite but traded up to a Voyage. My wife has the Paperwhite now and she’s an avid reader so has really taken to it. Sorry I could ramble on about my love for this device all day long.

The wife has the Paperwhite version and I have the regular Kindle non Paperwhite.

The Oasis does look nice and the fact it is waterproof might be enough for me to get it for the wife since she does read in the bathtub. The other thing I like about it, is the handle on the right, since I always hold mine on the right that might also be an added bonus. But you are correct the price tag is a little high.
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I love my Kindle (Oasis) as it is so easy to take anywhere, work, holidays, in bed etc. The main benefit (for me) is to be able to read otherwise big and heavy books that can be awkward to hold. Also, you set a font you like and then every book you read is like that. Also, its great that you can increased the font size to suit which, now that my eyesight is not as good as once was (I need reading glasses to read my newspaper) is a blessing.

I remember not too long ago having to decide which books to take on holiday and which to leave behind. Now I just pack my Kindle and I take a whole library with me! And, lastly, I can buy and download a book anywhere and at any time of day or night. (And get free samples to see if I like a book or not). Yes, I love my Kindle. A marvelous device.

Being able to set the font is a huge plus. My eyes are not what they used to be and boy do I know it. When I read my comics, I have to break out the ol reading glasses. But on the Kindle, I just bump, uh huh, the font up a few numbers and I am good to go! :D
 

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Yeah, the Oasis is a hard sell due to its high cost. On the other hand, it's feature laden. A 8 oz unit is much nicer to hold for hours than a 4 lb hardcover book that could only be described as a tome. Anyone remember large group book clubs among friends? Being assigned the rock hard wicker chair without cushions so you'd stay awake halfway through but still fell asleep? No, no one? Okay.
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The other thing I like about it, is the handle on the right, since I always hold mine on the right that might also be an added bonus. But you are correct the price tag is a little high.
I thought I would hate it but after I tried it out myself, I decided I liked it like that. I asked a complete stranger if I could hold their Kindle Oasis because I was interested in it when it first came out. The newer 2017 Oasis is a bit bigger and more comfortable to use, apparently. I'll wait until the 2018 model comes out and then wait a few months to see if it's buggy, then order. $300 for a simple e-reader with some cool features is a lot of money compared to an iPad that's more versatile, but as I said, it beats carrying around a heavy book.
 
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Scepticalscribe

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Never got into Kindles, or such like.

However, Ursula Le Guin is awaiting me in one bookstore, and I hope that Philip Pullman is to be found in another - the book was ordered a few days ago.

Meanwhile, this morning's post brought a nice fat, hardback book. "End of Empire".

And I treated myself to the superb illustrated version of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
 

ucfgrad93

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I just bought a new Kindle Voyage last week having never used an eReader before and wow I'm converted! So much nicer to read on than say an iPad or iPhone! So I did a little splurging and bought;

Lord of the Rings.... will be my 3rd time reading it.
Derren Brown - Happy. Heard good things and I remember wanting it when it was released but completely forgot until it appeared on my suggestions list.
2001... absolutely love the intro section. Each time I read it I get lost in such meandering thoughts. Phenomenally well painted descriptions.
At the mountains of madness.... heard it's wonderful and I'm loving the environment. Very slow paced and haunting.

They're just whats on my queue for now. Looking to line up some more classics that I missed out on. I tried the Divine Comedy last year and just kept getting tripped up on it, maybe it was the translation or maybe it was just way over my head!

I love my Kindle Paperwhite. I've been thinking about upgrading to the Voyage, but since mine is still working great, I have a hard time justifying it.
 
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I love my Kindle Paperwhite. I've been thinking about upgrading to the Voyage, but since mine is still working great, I have a hard time justifying it.
Have you considered dropping hints around the kids? Father's day is right around the corner.
 

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Reading "End of Empire" by Brian Lapping, based on the superlative (1980s) Granada (ITV - British) series to which it is a companion publication - "unidentical twins" wrote Lapping, describing the relationship between book and series.

My recollection of the series - I saw it as an undergrad - is that it was superb.

Actually, I wanted to view the series again, both with hindsight, and with the "added value" of having travelled to and worked some such countries, indeed, some of these very countries. However, while I can watch the series online, - the quality of the image somewhat indifferent, I'm afraid - the book appeared available, thus, I bought it. A nice, fat hardback.

So far, it is excellent, sound, solid, well-researched history.
 

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I'm not a big fan of his. I may be in the minority, but I absolutely love Michael Whitehall's dry humor and wit. I'm familiar with his son's standup work, but wow, Michael is something else. Would love to shake his hand. He's not a presenter, but he's done specials and a series with his son.

The British and Irish comedians I like vary a lot. From the crude to the lighthearted. Can't stand Michael MacIntyre, though.
 

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I think maybe I should just "accidentally" drop my Kindle.
I know you're joking, but don't. Kindles usually last a long time unless something goes bad on them. And sometimes, just sometimes, Amazon will send you a new model for free or at reduced cost well out of warranty. Though the chances are higher if you spend a lot of money with them. That's the theory going around.

You can also wait for a flash sale or their yearly prime thing and see if they'll offer it then. The 2017 model is solid, but once the 2018 model comes out, it should drop in price. That's what happened last year with the 2016 model. They're kind of like Apple, except their price cuts aren't just $10.
 

ThisBougieLife

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Decided to finally read Alice Munro.

Selected Stories (1996) by Alice Munro

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Also reading Against Interpretation by Susan Sontag.
 

LizKat

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It’s on my reading list. Let me know if it’s good, I’ve read good things about it.

I'm really enjoying it, it's certainly researched to a fare thee well and also certainly humanizes Nixon. For instance, I learned that he once slipped on ice while carrying his then infant daughter Tricia in his arms, and ended up breaking both arms in several places while managing to shield her from impact. As a result his tailors were forever after challenged dealing with the fact that one of Nixon's arms was shorter than the other once he was patched up.

Farrell is attentive to interesting differences in accounts Nixon himself gives of certain events versus what other documented or interviewed sources had to say. These sometimes do illuminate a Nixon who was trying to polish at least his own image of himself. In his memoir, RN: The Memoirs of Richard Nixon, he apparently had himself present at his campaign offices during his first Senate run in California, when a young Congressman JFK dropped off a thousand dollar campaign contribution (from his dad Joe Kennedy Sr. no less, who had no use for Helen Gahagan Douglas). But several other sources said that Nixon wasn't there and that someone else on his staff had accepted the check from Kennedy. I can certainly see where it would have been tempting in retrospect for Nixon to be the one taking that check from that particular "errand boy"...

A news-to-me and somewhat poignant note (in the light of Nixon's later behavior with less insight into himself and little empathy for others) was his reaction to having won that Senate race, which was notorious for its vicious tactics. He remarked to a supporter that "it was a helluva shoddy way to win..." but then in perhaps more typically Nixonian fashion he hastened to brush that off and add that it wasn't like he didn't know that about politics anyway and so there was "no point bitching about it now."

I do have to say that in the ebook's current incarnation, the manner of indexing in quite off-putting. There are a few footnotes in line that are given at chapter ends, and those are done in the usual way for ebook formatting, in the sense you can click on the note number in the text and be taken to the note, and then in the notes click on the note number again to be returned to your place in the text.

However, and inexplicably, in the index at back of book, there are additional, very thorough and wonderful but only partially linked notes for certain phrases or quotes that are presented in groups by chapter. Each phrase shown there does have a link in the index section, but if you click on it, you're just taken to the page (or two-page view if that's your setup) where the phrase appears, but you have to find exactly where the phrase is for yourself, there's no corresponding link to get back to the index, and the indexed phrases are not underlined or otherwise annotated in any way in the text. In a word: Bummer!

I finally decided to read each chapter's index segment after finishing a chapter because the notes for the indexed phrases are generally well worth reading. But it's an annoying "solution" at best since I sometimes want to go back to the text when I read the annotations associated to a given phrase. After doing that then the only way to get back to the index reliably (as opposed to hoping the "Back" menu option will be current) is to use a temporary bookmark in the index for the group of phrases indexed for that particular chapter.

Also it seems to me that some of the rather few in-line footnotes, the ones having the notes presented at chapter end, are rather curious in terms of why they're even there, as opposed to just having been noted parenthetically or in a subsequent sentence in the text. On the other hand some of what's in-line text seems it could have been a footnote. All that to me seems like the province and handiwork of editors, possibly running into deadlines, but anyway not especially well done, at least in this edition.

Speaking of editing in general, the book could have done with a bit more.

Still for all that I can't put this book down sometimes so I'm clearly finding it very readable. I just hope they will update the thing later with better notes and some more usable index links.
 

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I'm really enjoying it, it's certainly researched to a fare thee well and also certainly humanizes Nixon. For instance, I learned that he once slipped on ice while carrying his then infant daughter Tricia in his arms, and ended up breaking both arms in several places while managing to shield her from impact. As a result his tailors were forever after challenged dealing with the fact that one of Nixon's arms was shorter than the other once he was patched up.

Farrell is attentive to interesting differences in accounts Nixon himself gives of certain events versus what other documented or interviewed sources had to say. These sometimes do illuminate a Nixon who was trying to polish at least his own image of himself. In his memoir, RN: The Memoirs of Richard Nixon, he apparently had himself present at his campaign offices during his first Senate run in California, when a young Congressman JFK dropped off a thousand dollar campaign contribution (from his dad Joe Kennedy Sr. no less, who had no use for Helen Gahagan Douglas). But several other sources said that Nixon wasn't there and that someone else on his staff had accepted the check from Kennedy. I can certainly see where it would have been tempting in retrospect for Nixon to be the one taking that check from that particular "errand boy"...

A news-to-me and somewhat poignant note (in the light of Nixon's later behavior with less insight into himself and little empathy for others) was his reaction to having won that Senate race, which was notorious for its vicious tactics. He remarked to a supporter that "it was a helluva shoddy way to win..." but then in perhaps more typically Nixonian fashion he hastened to brush that off and add that it wasn't like he didn't know that about politics anyway and so there was "no point bitching about it now."

I do have to say that in the ebook's current incarnation, the manner of indexing in quite off-putting. There are a few footnotes in line that are given at chapter ends, and those are done in the usual way for ebook formatting, in the sense you can click on the note number in the text and be taken to the note, and then in the notes click on the note number again to be returned to your place in the text.

However, and inexplicably, in the index at back of book, there are additional, very thorough and wonderful but only partially linked notes for certain phrases or quotes that are presented in groups by chapter. Each phrase shown there does have a link in the index section, but if you click on it, you're just taken to the page (or two-page view if that's your setup) where the phrase appears, but you have to find exactly where the phrase is for yourself, there's no corresponding link to get back to the index, and the indexed phrases are not underlined or otherwise annotated in any way in the text. In a word: Bummer!

I finally decided to read each chapter's index segment after finishing a chapter because the notes for the indexed phrases are generally well worth reading. But it's an annoying "solution" at best since I sometimes want to go back to the text when I read the annotations associated to a given phrase. After doing that then the only way to get back to the index reliably (as opposed to hoping the "Back" menu option will be current) is to use a temporary bookmark in the index for the group of phrases indexed for that particular chapter.

Also it seems to me that some of the rather few in-line footnotes, the ones having the notes presented at chapter end, are rather curious in terms of why they're even there, as opposed to just having been noted parenthetically or in a subsequent sentence in the text. On the other hand some of what's in-line text seems it could have been a footnote. All that to me seems like the province and handiwork of editors, possibly running into deadlines, but anyway not especially well done, at least in this edition.

Speaking of editing in general, the book could have done with a bit more.

Still for all that I can't put this book down sometimes so I'm clearly finding it very readable. I just hope they will update the thing later with better notes and some more usable index links.

Fascinating post - both about the book described - and as to how e-books deal with footnotes and an index. This was something I hadn't considered.

Now, in general, I am not a huge fan of e-books, but I am passionate about foot-notes and sources, and, in common with @LizKat, I will happily lose myself in them.

Years ago, I wrote a history book - one awed reviewer noting that the foot-notes - (well, I love discussing and exploring and examining and interrogating sources - and commenting on them and other related matters - footnotes are where you can slide in asides - and I did that in some footnotes) came to well over fifty fat pages in their own right.

Anyway, I love books with plenty of foot-notes and a jolly good index, (ever use an index as a short hand research tool? I do all the time) as that is where one can clarify and tease out and comment on stuff that the main text doesn't allow you to do as it would have been too much of a digression from what was being discussed in that page, or section, or paragraph, or chapter.
 
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Fascinating post - both about the book described - and as to how e-books deal with footnotes and an index. This was something I hadn't considered.

Now, in general, I am not a huge fan of e-books, but I am passionate about foot-notes and sources, and, in common with @LizKat, I will happily lose myself in them.

Years ago, I wrote a history book - one awed reviewer noting that the foot-notes - (well, I love discussing and exploring and examining and interrogating sources and I did that in some footnotes) came to well over fifty fat pages in their own right, and foot-notes were prominent as that is where one can clarify and tease out and comment on stuff that the main text doesn't allow you to do as it would have too much of a digression from what was being discussed.

Footnotes and index entries are so important in nonfiction (heck even some fiction that settles for "cast of characters" and the like could use at least an index in later editions lol). I do really like ebooks that have back and forth links between footnote numbers inline and the notes either at chapter end or in back of book by chapter. It lets you have the equivalent of flipping back and forth in the physical book, but only if the links take you exactly back and forth when you click on a link at either end of the association.

I can understand how ebook indexing is more difficult because of user-variable options for changing fonts and font sizes, yielding variable page numbering in digital versions of a book. Many nonfiction ebooks just incorporate the print version's index at back of ebook, and suggest using the search function to navigate. In the Farrell ebook the index is in some ways one step better than that, by giving a handle in the index back to the general area of the referenced, but that that same phrase in the text has no link back to that index entry is annoying. It could be related to how a link in the text might be made invalid if it crosses a page boundary, which becomes a variable location depending on user-selected font size.

I know some ebooks may briefly become "stuck" when you go to turn a page, and that often enough if you switch the font size up or down a notch, that resolves the problem. So I don't mean to minimize the technical difficulties in getting ebook links to behave themselves, but something about that Farrell bio on the editing side seems to have needed more time and attention.

Farrell's biography is clearly superbly researched, as clear from the index of phrases and a bibliography in back that's arranged by type of source. But there are so few footnote numbers in the text itself, maybe five or six in a chapter. It may have been a conscious editing decision to let quotes documented as to source in-line stand for themselves. But by contrast when I was looking for something today in a Steve Coll book I have about the Exxon Valdez oil spill disaster --well the book is more generally about Exxon, it's Private Empire: Exxon Mobil and American Power-- there are generally 20 to 40 footnotes per chapter and I felt the in-line text was easier to read for having those notes taken aside. So again I think in the case of the Farrell book this was some kind of editing issue and perhaps one of meeting deadlines.
 
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Fascinating post - both about the book described - and as to how e-books deal with footnotes and an index. This was something I hadn't considered.

Now, in general, I am not a huge fan of e-books, but I am passionate about foot-notes and sources, and, in common with @LizKat, I will happily lose myself in them.

Years ago, I wrote a history book - one awed reviewer noting that the foot-notes - (well, I love discussing and exploring and examining and interrogating sources - and commenting on them and other related matters - footnotes are where you can slide in asides - and I did that in some footnotes) came to well over fifty fat pages in their own right.

Anyway, I love books with plenty of foot-notes and a jolly good index, (ever use an index as a short hand research tool? I do all the time) as that is where one can clarify and tease out and comment on stuff that the main text doesn't allow you to do as it would have too much of a digression from what was being discussed in that page, or section, or paragraph, or chapter.

Thank you @LizKat for the wonderful review. I will definitely read it!

@Scepticalscribe may Darth Vader bless ya. I also love footnotes, and I love digging in as many sources as possible. I love when footnotes also contain exceprts from primary sources.
 

mobilehaathi

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Anyway, I love books with plenty of foot-notes and a jolly good index, (ever use an index as a short hand research tool? I do all the time) as that is where one can clarify and tease out and comment on stuff that the main text doesn't allow you to do as it would have too much of a digression from what was being discussed in that page, or section, or paragraph, or chapter.

Oh my, yes please. I tend to get a bit annoyed when there are no footnotes or, god forbid, no references.
 

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I've seen the first season or two of the show, but decided to read this anyway. The idea is kind of haunting, and the books seem like the situation could be plausible.
 
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yaxomoxay

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Baseball season is upon us.

Mickey Mantle is the epithome of baseball.
Mickey Mantle is the perfect name for a baseball player.
Mickey Mantle’s Topps baseball card is worth $500,000.
Mickey Mantle’s baseball card is worth selling own’s soul, at least according to Stephen King’s Needful Things.
Mickey Mantle jersey’s number “Seven” is not a number, but the ideal name for a baby - according to George Costanza.
Mickey Mantle was a disturbed individual that destroyed his own life, ignored his own family, and suffered from alchoolism and self-inflicted pain.

Leavy’s The Last Boy is an interesting book on Mantle’s life and the state of the nation itself. Leavy’s book is interesting but not well written as it jumps between people and events too much. Leavy also tries too hard to trace a parallel between Mantle and America. I suggest this books only to those interested on the subject, or true baseball fans. This book is full of interesting information. Did you know that Mantle’s 565 ft homerun never really existed but it was the fruit of a made up story by a young poor kid and a selfish PR promoter? Did you know that Joe DiMaggio was a true jerk, up to the point that he got Mantle seriously injured and punched actor Billy Crystal for not calling him ‘the best baseball player’ during an award ceremony? Did you know about Mantle’s sad, disturbed childhood?
Did you know that when asked by the Yankees to write what was his best memory of Yankee Stadium he wrote about a girl giving him oral sex, just to insult her right after it (not a spoiler but description that follows is graphic)?

GRAPHIC CONTENT
“Her mouth was full of my c-m, she asked what to do with it and I told her that I am not a c-cksucker like her”, or something like that.
END OF GRAPHIC CONTENT

Have you ever stopped thinking how much ballplayer’s wives were/are unsung heroes?

During his retirement and fighting alchoolism, Mantle felt useless.
On his deathbed, Mantle felt sorry.

After reading this book, I think that this exchange sums up Mantle’s life:

Billy Crystal to one of Mantle’s son: “I wish that Mickey Mantle was my father”
Mantle’s son: “I whish it too.”


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LizKat

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yup. he was a prick.

Yeah but he was our hero because we wanted someone to be one and it sure wasn't the guy across the road (or sometimes the guy across the breakfast table). We knew the real guy across the road and that table, and Mickey Mantle was far enough away to be a hero with flaws pretty much out of focus for us kids reading the sportswriters' accolades.

All our heroes stayed heroes longer in the old days, didn't they. The ball players, the presidents, the Senators... famous composers and conductors.. all made more legendary by assorted gentlemen's agreements about how much of any public figure's feet of clay should be draped when he was set up on a pedestal.

I guess it was inevitable that biographers would eventually say ok enough with the hagiographies, let's pull the curtains off and remind everyone these guys are just humans. It has been right to do that, of course, but because fame and power do tend to corrupt, we can sometimes get the impression that there are no heroes any more. Of course that's not true either. There are lots of unsung heroes, and a few famous ones who manage to evade most of the pitfalls of their elevation to public worship. I hesitate even to name one of those lest someone come back with a blogger's proof the guy was a lowlife... but let's say Mariano Rivera, for instance. He's my hero now instead of Mickey Mantle, in the world of legendary ball players.

Anyway The Closer has been on my read-it list for awhile now... could be time to launch spring training season with a look back at a great player.

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