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Scepticalscribe

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Just finished...

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Highly recommended, particularly if you remember being shocked at seeing pictures in the news of young blokes on a roof whose protective gear consisted of gas masks, home made lead plates tied to them and wellies trying to shovel the contents of a reactor off a roof and back into the smoking hole where it once was...

This looks indeed interesting. Still remember when I couldn't go outside and play if it was raining... I have some memories (I was 6) of the event.

I was 20 so remember it well. The book also explains well why it blew up - the recent hooha between Russia and Ukraine has mean't quite a bit of stuff has been released including KGB files. I'm surprised there's no pics in the book - googling photos and footage was helpful when reading - this one was a great link on youtube.

I visited Chernobyl (on a brief, meticulously organised, trip) in early 2013, and watched an excellent (British, I think) chilling documentary about the disaster at the time.

The book sounds interesting.
 

yaxomoxay

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I visited Chernobyl (on a brief, meticulously organised, trip) in early 2013, and watched an excellent (British, I think) chilling documentary about the disaster at the time.

The book sounds interesting.

Friend of mine visited Chernobyl. I asked to describe what he saw, and the only thing he told me was "Spectral."
He basically refused any other description of what he saw, or of his feelings.
 

Scepticalscribe

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Friend of mine visited Chernobyl. I asked to describe what he saw, and the only thing he told me was "Spectral."
He basically refused any other description of what he saw, or of his feelings.

Surreal, would be my description.

You have the utterly bizarre, and paradoxical, juxtaposition of one of the world's worst ever nuclear disasters - in a formerly well off town that was unusually privileged and well resourced by Soviet standards - with plenty of well paid and prestigious jobs, attracting exceptionally well qualified people from across the Soviet Union to live and work there, and supporting many services and support industries (very good schools, cinemas, playgrounds, coffee shops etc) - the nuclear industry was a flagship one in that world - and it is now, yes, "spectral", and gently and weirdly rotting and decaying and disintegrating in a unique way.

This is now co-existing with, or inexplicably, now finds itself alongside a part of modern Europe (a mostly cultivated land mass for centuries, indeed millennia in some spots - try flying from Asia to Europe, or Africa to Europe, and note the stunning differences in the topography - the agricultural land in Europe, once you cross the Black Sea from Turkey - is cultivated, and has been for countless centuries, which is not the case in the countries you fly over in parts of Asia or Africa) that has been allowed (because contaminated with nuclear matter that will not degrade for millennia) to revert to the status of a wilderness.

So, alongside nuclear degradation, and disaster, you have a thriving (if poisonous) wilderness where wildlife (bears, wolves etc) is - are - actually flourishing as species return and reclaim this space where they are unchallenged - or, are no longer challenged for mastery of the region by humanity, - who have abdicated control and abandoned the place.

It is absolutely astonishing. Wildlife diversity flourishing in a region abandoned by humanity, in one of the most toxic places on the planet.

This juxtaposition of pallid destruction (spectral) alongside a paradoxically thriving (if toxic) wilderness is something that I found absolutely stupefying. There are supposedly catfish in some of the waters; I myself saw a hare dash through what had once been a children's park, hotly pursued by a madly barking (and bleeding) dog, the drops of blood sprayed on the pristine snow oddly disturbing.
 
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yaxomoxay

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Surreal, would be my description.

You have the utterly bizarre, and paradoxical, juxtaposition of one of the world's worst ever nuclear disasters - in a formerly well off town that was unusually privileged and well resourced - with plenty of well paid and prestigious jobs, and supporting services and industries (good schools, cinemas, playgrounds, coffee shops etc) - the nuclear industry was a flagship one in that world - by Soviet standards, now yes, "spectral", and gently and weirdly rotting in a unique way, co-existing with, or inexplicably now finding itself alongside a part of modern Europe (a mostly cultivated land mass for centuries, indeed millennia in some spots - try flying from Asia to Europe, or Africa to Europe, and note the stupefying differences in the topography - the agricultural land in Europe, once you cross the Black Sea from Turkey - is cultivated, and has been for countless centuries) that has been allowed (because contaminated with nuclear matter that will not degrade for millennia) to revert to the status of a wilderness.

So, alongside nuclear degradation, and disaster, you have a thriving (if poisonous) wilderness where wildlife (wolves etc) flourish.

This juxtaposition of pallid destruction (spectral) alongside a paradoxical thriving (if toxic) wilderness is something that I found absolutely stupefying. There are supposedly catfish in some of the waters; I myself saw a hare dash through what had once been a children's park, pursued by a madly barking (and bleeding) dog, the drops of blood sprayed on the pristine snow oddly disturbing.

What a beautiful description; I guess it's one of those places I should visit before I die...
 
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RootBeerMan

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Just started "We Are Legion (We Are Bob)" by Dennis E. Taylor. So far it's a pretty good read and tells the tale of what happens to a guy who "dies" in the present day, has his head cryogenically frozen and is brought back to life as a computer replicant of his self. The future America is a theocratic hell and he finds himself enslaved as a non-person, destined to be the AI on a Von Neumann Probe. It's an enjoyable read!

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LizKat

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Can tentatively file this one under ‘barbarians as gatekeepers’...

Searched for book by E.H.Sparks: Cantus Firmus in Mass and Motet, 1420-1520

Amazon obliged but prefaced its find with a question:

Did you mean cactus forms in mass and meter?​

Here is my answer: How about hiring some liberal arts graduates for your AI efforts?

Anyway they did have the book through third party sellers: $150 hardback, $60 paperback. I emailed a friend from the conservatory and his copy is enroute to me via FedEx. Free to me, or for a lunch next time we meet.

Maybe I am too hard on the barbarians, if they are who invented email.
 

mobilehaathi

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Can tentatively file this one under ‘barbarians as gatekeepers’...

Searched for book by E.H.Sparks: Cantus Firmus in Mass and Motet, 1420-1520

Amazon obliged but prefaced its find with a question:

Did you mean cactus forms in mass and meter?​

Here is my answer: How about hiring some liberal arts graduates for your AI efforts?

Anyway they did have the book through third party sellers: $150 hardback, $60 paperback. I emailed a friend from the conservatory and his copy is enroute to me via FedEx. Free to me, or for a lunch next time we meet.

Maybe I am too hard on the barbarians, if they are who invented email.
To be fair, the book “Cactus Forms in Mass and Meter” is a fascinating examination of how the Catholic Church used and developed poetry about Cacataceae plant morphology as a metaphor to explain the Holy Trinity in sermons.
 

LizKat

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To be fair, the book “Cactus Forms in Mass and Meter” is a fascinating examination of how the Catholic Church used and developed poetry about Cacataceae plant morphology as a metaphor to explain the Holy Trinity in sermons.

LOL. Now see, I never thought to plug Amazon's proffered alternate into a search engine... On a lark I tried it in Duck Duck Go but it suggested a site that would offer to explain to me the ins and outs of some tax form, a 1099-HC for the state of Massachusetts. Hmm. You must have Duck's new beta version of search. :p

What I am really reading these days is centuries away from the 1450s, or even from catholic (or anyway Roman Catholic) liturgy. It's one of two almost identically titled books on the making of Miles Davis' celebrated modal jazz album Kind of Blue. What's a hoot is that a bunch of the reader reviews in Amazon are mostly stuck onto the wrong book, so one ends up reading about "the author" who is not the author of exactly that book.

But never mind; methinks the jazz players who contributed to the Kind of Blue album might even find that amusing. After all, one of the rumors about the content of that highly improvisational album is that Bill Evans actually composed the Blue in Green piece although it was attributed to Miles Davis.

The version of the "making" of that album that I am reading is the one by Eric Nisenson: The Making of Kind of Blue: Miles Davis and his Masterpiece.

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nouveau_redneck

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I just finished reading my second book by Patrick Senécal, 5150 Rue des Ormres. He is amazing at plot and character development, and a master at that constant trickle of provoking that must continue reading desire. Unfortunately, the ending left a gapping hole when two sentences could have resolved the primary tension of the entire novel.

Ultimately I can only take so much of that type of genre as it's too dark and draining. So my next read is something that is certain to be a light read, hopefully to provide a hint of spring to come.

Jean-François Coulomb - Une semaine de juin

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RootBeerMan

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Just started "We Are Legion (We Are Bob)" by Dennis E. Taylor. So far it's a pretty good read and tells the tale of what happens to a guy who "dies" in the present day, has his head cryogenically frozen and is brought back to life as a computer replicant of his self. The future America is a theocratic hell and he finds himself enslaved as a non-person, destined to be the AI on a Von Neumann Probe. It's an enjoyable read!

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OK. Finished the book and it was great! A very well done SciFi novel that told a good tale, or at least the beginning of one, as this was book one of a trilogy. Can't wait to get the 2nd book!
 
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RootBeerMan

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Started "Mecha Samurai Empire" by Peter Tieryas. It's his 2nd book about the Japanese and Nazi's winning ww2 (it's essentially set in a world very much like "Man In The High Castle", but in the Japanese empire). His first book, "United States of Japan" was a great read and this one is looking like it will continue the streak. He's a really talented writer and knows his craft.

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rhett7660

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OK. Finished the book and it was great! A very well done SciFi novel that told a good tale, or at least the beginning of one, as this was book one of a trilogy. Can't wait to get the 2nd book!

Just added this to my queue of books I want to read. I am knee deep in "Dune" right now. It is good, some tough parts to get through, but so far it is satisfying. It isn't my favorite book, yet. Granted, I still have a ways to go, but I am enjoying it.
 
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Huntn

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Just started "We Are Legion (We Are Bob)" by Dennis E. Taylor. So far it's a pretty good read and tells the tale of what happens to a guy who "dies" in the present day, has his head cryogenically frozen and is brought back to life as a computer replicant of his self. The future America is a theocratic hell and he finds himself enslaved as a non-person, destined to be the AI on a Von Neumann Probe. It's an enjoyable read!

images

OK. Finished the book and it was great! A very well done SciFi novel that told a good tale, or at least the beginning of one, as this was book one of a trilogy. Can't wait to get the 2nd book!

Is it tongue in cheek? It kind of sounds like it. ;) What I find interesting about this concept- is it really him, or just a computer AI so well replicated, that it thinks it’s him. :D
 

RootBeerMan

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Is it tongue in cheek? It kind of sounds like it. ;) What I find interesting about this concept- is it really him, or just a computer AI so well replicated, that it thinks it’s him. :D
No, it is definitely not tongue in cheek. Quite the opposite, in fact. As for if it is him or not, that's a question you can keep asking throughout the book, as he replicates himself numerous times, as a Von Neumann Probe is supposed to do, with varied results each time. Great concept and a great read!
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Just added this to my queue of books I want to read. I am knee deep in "Dune" right now. It is good, some tough parts to get through, but so far it is satisfying. It isn't my favorite book, yet. Granted, I still have a ways to go, but I am enjoying it.
Dune is one I have enjoyed many times over the years. It can be a heavy read, at times, but it's a wonderful commentary on power and how it affects people and the world around them. The original series is good, but I think I enjoyed the later books by Herbert's son Brian and Kevin J. Anderson even more. They were a lot easier to read and the characters were even more interesting, as was the look at the history of the Dune universe. And it's future, as well.
 

Huntn

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No, it is definitely not tongue in cheek. Quite the opposite, in fact. As for if it is him or not, that's a question you can keep asking throughout the book, as he replicates himself numerous times, as a Von Neumann Probe is supposed to do, with varied results each time. Great concept and a great read!
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Dune is one I have enjoyed many times over the years. It can be a heavy read, at times, but it's a wonderful commentary on power and how it affects people and the world around them. The original series is good, but I think I enjoyed the later books by Herbert's son Brian and Kevin J. Anderson even more. They were a lot easier to read and the characters were even more interesting, as was the look at the history of the Dune universe. And it's future, as well.
It’s been a long time, but I remember Dune book (only read the original) favorably.
 

nouveau_redneck

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I always felt a bit guilty when I didn't finish a novel and ended up putting it down for something else. In the past I'd just slog through without giving in to the desire to throw in the towel. Then during a day of profound enlightenment, I had the revelation that it really didn't matter, reading is for enjoyment and the book sucks, so off it goes. That lead to a lot of books hitting the heap in my new found wisdom. Since that time I've found a balance between throwing books over both shoulders as fast as I can pick 'em up, and giving them a fair shot. My last read, Une semaine de juin, just hit that heap of abandon.

Time to give mages, gnomes, and magicians of the Belle Époque a try.

Pierre Pevel - Le Paris des Merveilles, tome 1 - Les Enchantements d'Ambremer

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Started "Mecha Samurai Empire" by Peter Tieryas. It's his 2nd book about the Japanese and Nazi's winning ww2 (it's essentially set in a world very much like "Man In The High Castle", but in the Japanese empire). His first book, "United States of Japan" was a great read and this one is looking like it will continue the streak. He's a really talented writer and knows his craft.

GUEST_48fa3aae-5034-4aef-a55a-fd5f7fb7e78c

United States of Japan looks good! I think I might add that to my long list of books to read.
 
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