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AL2TEACH

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just a reluctant and grudging acknowledgement of the convenience that it offers.
Lol, so very true and the tablet with swipe left and the graphic of a page turning will not replace turning the page.
une femme d'un âge certain, remains enamoured of the printed page in paper form.
:D and may your eyes in the future stay good. I'm crossing my fingers and bending down to cross my toes, whew 😁 so it stays that way with you and many others.
 
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Chuckeee

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Since we have wandered on to the subject of books with paper pages. Has one had any experience with:
I hope it’s what it seems, but in this age of online scams I’m worried it’s too good to be true. Always try to be careful about providing any information online to an organization I’ve never heard of before
 

LedRush

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I remember those days and the whole vibe then something changed. I would always get the lighting right, music and seating. Open the book and WTF!!!! my vision had changed to the point that I needed reading glasses and that was an easy fix. Then, I moved. Moving 300+ books required a lot of big boxes and I already had 4 floor standing 5 shelves book shelves.
I enjoyed my reading world but reality of vision and space was unrelenting :eek:
I had to try the Nook. I got to luv the Nook(years ago)and so did airplane seats. After losing 2 Nooks, I broke down and got the 5th gen. iPad whose sole purpose was for books. It took sometime for the change but I can now carry all my books on the iPad and reading is still a joy.
I understand the romance of a book with paper pages and I understand the romance of the tablet. In time grasshopper so will you. :)
I love the feel and smell of books, and I resisted moving to e-readers for a long time. I move about once every 2 years, and taking hundreds of books each time was never that much of an issue, until I moved to China. When doing that, I was limited to the number of books I could bring in (and the number of DVDs, CDs, video games...everything had its own category and limitations). Since then my vision has deteriorated and my light keeps my wife up.

All this leads to the wasteful practice I have now. For any book that I think is "good", I basically by a hardcover version and an e-reader version. The hardcover is for when I'm on the couch or in my comfy chair (and just to have on the library shelf) while the e-reader gets use on rides, vacations, at night in bed (can't disturb the wife), and when I'm reading anything with a lot of vocabulary and references (I switched to the e-reader pretty quickly on Moby Dick).

I'll never stop loving the real thing, but I can't deny the benefits of the e-readers.
 

Chuckeee

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I can't deny the benefits of the e-readers.
I use a kindle and aside from the portability I find the biggest advantages are:
1. It’s waterproof. Lot less risks and issues reading in the hot tub, in the pool, in the bathtub
2. I has its own illumination. Less arguments while reading in bed in the middle of the night
3. Built in dictionary and translating tool is very convenient when I run into a word I don’t know.
 

LedRush

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I'm reading the original Hobbit and Lord of the Rings trilogy.
I read the Hobbit with Alan Lee's illustrations with the kids last year, and they loved it. It's time for me to reread the trilogy again. I did get the audible with Andy Serkis narrating for my daughter, but I haven't listened to it yet. I should.
 

Kr0n05K!ngR

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I use a kindle and aside from the portability I find the biggest advantages are:
1. It’s waterproof. Lot less risks and issues reading in the hot tub, in the pool, in the bathtub
2. I has its own illumination. Less arguments while reading in bed in the middle of the night
3. Built in dictionary and translating tool is very convenient when I run into a word I don’t know.

I also enjoy E-readers for this reason, and the convenience, however nothing for me can replace the feeling and smell (if new) of a book in your hands, there is just nothing like it.

With E-Readers, there is also the problem of ownership, as more and more companies are deleting content from digital libraries, due to intellectual properties. laws and other reasons, which means knowledge, art and the vision of the author will continue to be lost.

This dynamic can be comparable to the state of most media (movie and game) digital libraries, and streaming, with niche titles disappearing often, requiring they take on predatory tactics to squeeze the user in order to remain competitive and relevant in the market place algorithms (If not popular, the title in most cases are buried, unless they pay the platform to push notoriety to the content.).

This to me is a absolute shame!

Once you own a real physical book, if you look after it and care for it, then no one can take it from you.
 

Kr0n05K!ngR

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I love the feel and smell of books, and I resisted moving to e-readers for a long time. I move about once every 2 years, and taking hundreds of books each time was never that much of an issue, until I moved to China. When doing that, I was limited to the number of books I could bring in (and the number of DVDs, CDs, video games...everything had its own category and limitations). Since then my vision has deteriorated and my light keeps my wife up.

All this leads to the wasteful practice I have now. For any book that I think is "good", I basically by a hardcover version and an e-reader version. The hardcover is for when I'm on the couch or in my comfy chair (and just to have on the library shelf) while the e-reader gets use on rides, vacations, at night in bed (can't disturb the wife), and when I'm reading anything with a lot of vocabulary and references (I switched to the e-reader pretty quickly on Moby Dick).

I'll never stop loving the real thing, but I can't deny the benefits of the e-readers.
A men brother!
 

KaliYoni

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A great place to get DRM-free, out-of-copyright e-books at no charge is:

Also, many public libraries offer current e-books, as well as movies, audio books, and music, for free on services such as:
 

Chuckeee

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With E-Readers, there is also the problem of ownership, as more and more companies are deleting content from digital libraries, due to intellectual properties. laws and other reasons, which means knowledge, art and the vision of the author will continue to be lost.

This dynamic can be comparable to the state of most media (movie and game) digital libraries, and streaming, with niche titles disappearing often, requiring they take on predatory tactics to squeeze the user in order to remain competitive and relevant in the market place algorithms (If not popular, the title in most cases are buried, unless they pay the platform to push notoriety to the content.).

This to me is a absolute shame!

Once you own a real physical book, if you look after it and care for it, then no one can take it from you.
Getting back to the basic premise of this thread, this exact issue was the premise of a story I just recently read. It was a short fictional novel (novella?) by Connie Willis entitled I Met a Traveller in an Antique Land that laments the loss of print media. It was a good quick read.

Ironically, this story is only readily available as a digital download.

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Kr0n05K!ngR

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Getting back to the basic premise of this thread, this exact issue was the premise of a story I just recently read. It was a short fictional novel (novella?) by Connie Willis entitled I Met a Traveller in an Antique Land that laments the loss of print media. It was a good quick read.

Ironically, this story is only readily available as a digital download.

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Thank you very much, going to grab this with some Mushoku Tensei light novella, the season 2 pt1 just finished, and i am told the written novella are better then the show and manga.

Going to read this book first however, as your explanation of it and its cover make it super interesting. It is amazing what a good cover can do for a book. But then the opposite can also be true also.
 

ilawlin

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I read The Ten Thousand Doors of January last year and enjoyed it immensely.

'Portal fantasy' or 'portal fiction'was my favorite type as a child/young man. I enjoyed stories of regular people from our world being transported to alternate realms via magic doors. wardrobes, etc. Those are hard to find these days so it was a pleasure to find that gem. Enjoy!

You're absolutely not butting in and remember your option is valid as anyone else's on here. Personally I really enjoyed the Secret History but struggled to finish the Goldfinch, but it was quite a while ago so I can't remember what I did and don't like about it. So I'm not going to be much help!

Post your biology books - they sound interesting. Sandeels and commercial fish food?
Sorry about the multiple quotes and the late reply. I log in once in couple-three months, just moderating time spent on online forums. Just thought I'd mention Martha Nussbaum's recently published Justice for Animals: Our Collective Responsibility (unfortunately, the book is a little expensive, but we have the Google Books preview thankfully, and she also has a piece in Boston Review which summarizes the arguments she has laid out in detail in the book; this latter piece is really well done--in fact it's a transcript of an interview, but it works like a critical introduction to the book). Many of her arguments implicitly allude to the fact that we tend to think of the planet as our fundamental niche, which in turn tends to absolve us of the ethical thinking necessary to lead less destructive lives. In fact, the book seems to claim that if we are to think of the planet as our niche, we incur the ethical duty to think about how we consume and treat non-human animals. Though she doesn't (as far as I can tell) use the term fundamental niche.
 

ucfgrad93

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I use a kindle and aside from the portability I find the biggest advantages are:
1. It’s waterproof. Lot less risks and issues reading in the hot tub, in the pool, in the bathtub
2. I has its own illumination. Less arguments while reading in bed in the middle of the night
3. Built in dictionary and translating tool is very convenient when I run into a word I don’t know.
I would add to that list of benefits of a Kindle…

4. Can carry hundreds of books.

5. If unsure of a title, you can download a sample of the book in question.

6. Can buy books instantly, no need to go to the bookstore.
 

JEuro2285

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I would add to that list of benefits of a Kindle…

4. Can carry hundreds of books.

5. If unsure of a title, you can download a sample of the book in question.

6. Can buy books instantly, no need to go to the bookstore.
yep, once i started reading on Kindle, I never went back to physical books built in dictionary is huge
 
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KaliYoni

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50 shades of grey 😁
I decided that this was the worst written book I had ever read

For anybody interested in similar work but with a more literary approach, I recommend Mary Gaitskill. You can also go French art critic-style with Catherine Millet (The Sexual Life of Catherine M) or Down-And-Out-In-Northern California (apologies to Orwell) with Lucia Berlin. And there's always the fall back of Anaïs Nin's erotica and unexpurgated diaries, of course.
 

DaveFromCampbelltown

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Dan Brown fits that description for me.

Appalling - cringe-making - stuff.

My problem with Dan Brown is that he was technically incompetent. In one book there is a bishop tied down in a basement somewhere in the Vatican. Next to him was some sort of decaying radioactive device that would kill the bishop when it got to a particular stage. This device was putting out a weak radioactive signal. Also there was a video camera broadcasting a strong video signal showing what was happening.
So, rather than trace the strong video signal, they all bust a gut trying to find the weak radioactive signal.

At least Michael Crichton got his technical stuff (mostly) correct.
 
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Scepticalscribe

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My problem with Dan Brown is that he was technically incompetent. In one book there is a bishop tied down in a basement somewhere in the Vatican. Next to him was some sort of decaying radioactive device that would kill the bishop when it got to a particular stage. This device was putting out a weak radioactive signal. Also there was a video camera broadcasting a strong video signal showing what was happening.
So, rather than trace the strong video signal, they all bust a gut trying to find the weak radioactive signal.

At least Michael Crichton got his technical stuff (mostly) correct.
His history is pretty brutal, too.

Actually, I found his stuff risible, cringe-inducing, and poorly written, as well.
 
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