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LadyX

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[FONT=Book Antiqua"]From the highly acclaimed, multiple award-winning Anthony Doerr, the beautiful, stunningly ambitious instant New York Times bestseller about a blind French girl and a German boy whose paths collide in occupied France as both try to survive the devastation of World War II.

Marie-Laure lives with her father in Paris near the Museum of Natural History, where he works as the master of its thousands of locks. When she is six, Marie-Laure goes blind. When she is twelve, the Nazis occupy Paris, and father and daughter flee to the walled citadel of Saint-Malo, where Marie-Laure’s reclusive great uncle lives in a tall house by the sea. They carry with them what might be the museum’s most valuable and dangerous jewel.

In a German town, an orphan named Werner grows up with his younger sister, enchanted by a crude radio they find. Werner's expertise wins him a place at a brutal academy for Hitler Youth, then a special assignment to track the Resistance. Increasingly aware of the human cost of his intelligence, Werner travels through the heart of the war and into Saint-Malo, where his story and Marie-Laure’s converge.[/FONT]
 

LadyX

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Excellent hard sci-fi. Humorous and technically detailed. I heard that Ridley Scott will film the movie. Matt Damon to lead. Not bad for a first-time author!

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18007564-the-martian

Sounds quite interesting.

What did you think of the lead character? And the writing style? I'd heard that Watney is quite annoying and hard to like, and that the writing style veers from overly-scientific and therefore boring to very cliched and cutesy. Lots of Yays, LOLs etc..

I missed these posts because I just saw them. I've read The Martian about 5 months ago. I thought it was perfectly paced. I liked (although didn't love) the main character. At times he was a bit annoying, he's always sarcastic and there's a lot of cursing which I didn't like. That said, there were a fair bit of parts where I literally laughed out loud; I did not expect it to be funny at all; I thought okay, an astronaut stranded on Mars, that's a serious matter. But no, the main protagonist, Mark Watney, was very good natured. He spends his free time watching 70s TV and listening to disco music :D

The main character, Watney, is an expert in Botany and Mechanical Engineering and uses the skills he possesses in those areas to solve most of the problems he faces on Mars. The author manages to make all the detailed technical and mathematical explanations interesting. And most of the narrative is told through the journal/logs of Watney's adventures on Mars. The story ends abruptly but in general it was engaging. So, that's basically what I thought of the book.
 

LizKat

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Just finished reading Chris Pavone’s "The Expats". It was one of the worst-written, most manipulative, massively plot-hole-ridden, stage-direction-happy please-make-a-movie-of-this-novel messes that I’ve ever bumped into. I was surprised. The mainstream media reviews I had read suggested my experience would have been very different. I figured it as more a less a beach read. Set the bar way too high.

We now live in an age where most people grow up watching TV before they learn to read. I didn’t realize until I read this book how badly that may be affecting the way people write novels.

The graphic immediacy of video (and our anything-goes culture) seem to do away with the need for personal exercise of imagination. I wonder if those features of modern entertainment may also short-circuit an author’s willingness to let others imagine whatever they will when reading his fiction.

Chris Pavone seems determined to spare us the need to imagine anything in “The Expats” -- even to what the evening light looks like in northern Europe. He not only describes it but proceeds to assert that it looks like a Vermeer painting. Just in case you wondered. No duh, could this be because of where Vermeer lived and worked?

I dislike fiction that describes the rationales and motives of characters instead of letting their behavior reveal those attributes to the reader. It’s also a stretch to propose that characters acquire thoughtful insight into their own behavior while in the midst of a crisis. For a writer actually to label such discovery as “insight” and to reveal it to the reader as a thought popping into the head of an angry character is just inexcusable.

Pavone favors telling the reader what his characters think or feel, and sometimes summarizes their overall behavior with odd, jarring adjectives. In one sentence he had someone pegged as “diabolical” and a couple of other people as “relatively feckless.” That only makes them all seem more like paper dolls than human beings. Between that and his penchant for larding his work with bits of stage business, he removes the pleasure a reader expects to acquire via exercise of imagination. I really resented bumping into the Chief Screenwriter at every turn while reading this book.

For my money one could have skipped reading “The Expats” and just waited for the B (or worse) movie to turn up on TV. Somewhere I read that it had been “developed” for film. Really? The book itself was practically a screen treatment. I don’t care that he got an Edgar Award for his effort. Bits of the plot and descriptions half-reminded me of scenes from some --and some better-- spy movies. Sometimes “writing what you know” is not the answer, if much of what you apparently know seems to emerge as myriad bits of other people’s movies.

Other annoyances, without imparting spoilers: how many times something or other “changes everything” per the assessment of the main character. We’re all mostly clueless about what has or will have changed “everything” in the course of our lives. We all live on a planet that has endured two world wars and to this day still lives in the shadow of Einstein’s surmise that we don’t yet know how World War III will be fought but we know the one after that will be fought with sticks and stones. So I don’t know why anyone but a tech blog writer or PR manager of some cloud computing or chat app startup would characterize anything as actually capable of “changing everything.”

Amazing trivia department: in an acknowledgment tacked onto “The Expats”, Pavone dropped names of some people he was thanking for having read earlier and “crappier” (his word!) versions of “The Expats.” My jaw dropped!

I realize this was the guy’s first novel. Maybe I will give “The Accident” a try some time. I promise not to rake it over the coals if I can’t finish it. I’m not going to read that one very soon though. I need to let “The Expats” fade from memory first.
 
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LadyX

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Scepticalscribe

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Jul 29, 2008
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Just finished reading Chris Pavone’s "The Expats". It was one of the worst-written, most manipulative, massively plot-hole-ridden, stage-direction-happy please-make-a-movie-of-this-novel messes that I’ve ever bumped into. I was surprised. The mainstream media reviews I had read suggested my experience would have been very different. I figured it as more a less a beach read. Set the bar way too high.

We now live in an age where most people grow up watching TV before they learn to read. I didn’t realize until I read this book how badly that may be affecting the way people write novels.

The graphic immediacy of video (and our anything-goes culture) seem to do away with the need for personal exercise of imagination. I wonder if those features of modern entertainment may also short-circuit an author’s willingness to let others imagine whatever they will when reading his fiction.

Chris Pavone seems determined to spare us the need to imagine anything in “The Expats” -- even to what the evening light looks like in northern Europe. He not only describes it but proceeds to assert that it looks like a Vermeer painting. Just in case you wondered. No duh, could this be because of where Vermeer lived and worked?

I dislike fiction that describes the rationales and motives of characters instead of letting their behavior reveal those attributes to the reader. It’s also a stretch to propose that characters acquire thoughtful insight into their own behavior while in the midst of a crisis. For a writer actually to label such discovery as “insight” and to reveal it to the reader as a thought popping into the head of an angry character is just inexcusable.

Pavone favors telling the reader what his characters think or feel, and sometimes summarizes their overall behavior with odd, jarring adjectives. In one sentence he had someone pegged as “diabolical” and a couple of other people as “relatively feckless.” That only makes them all seem more like paper dolls than human beings. Between that and his penchant for larding his work with bits of stage business, he removes the pleasure a reader expects to acquire via exercise of imagination. I really resented bumping into the Chief Screenwriter at every turn while reading this book.

For my money one could have skipped reading “The Expats” and just waited for the B (or worse) movie to turn up on TV. Somewhere I read that it had been “developed” for film. Really? The book itself was practically a screen treatment. I don’t care that he got an Edgar Award for his effort. Bits of the plot and descriptions half-reminded me of scenes from some --and some better-- spy movies. Sometimes “writing what you know” is not the answer, if much of what you apparently know seems to emerge as myriad bits of other people’s movies.

Other annoyances, without imparting spoilers: how many times something or other “changes everything” per the assessment of the main character. We’re all mostly clueless about what has or will have changed “everything” in the course of our lives. We all live on a planet that has endured two world wars and to this day still lives in the shadow of Einstein’s surmise that we don’t yet know how World War III will be fought but we know the one after that will be fought with sticks and stones. So I don’t know why anyone but a tech blog writer or PR manager of some cloud computing or chat app startup would characterize anything as actually capable of “changing everything.”

Amazing trivia department: in an acknowledgment tacked onto “The Expats”, Pavone dropped names of some people he was thanking for having read earlier and “crappier” (his word!) versions of “The Expats.” My jaw dropped!

I realize this was the guy’s first novel. Maybe I will give “The Accident” a try some time. I promise not to rake it over the coals if I can’t finish it. I’m not going to read that one very soon though. I need to let “The Expats” fade from memory first.

Excellent and thoughtful review which is an absolute pleasure to read. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to compose it and post it.
 

ucfgrad93

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Aug 17, 2007
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This was so close to being my current read but I decided to read a historical fiction novel last minute. I love History and this book seems so good so please let me know what you think of it so far, or if you prefer after you've read it. Is this your first time reading David McCullough?

This is the first book I've read by him. I'll post my thoughts when I finish reading it. To those that are interested in it, it was on sale yesterday on Amazon for $2.99. Not sure if that is still the price.
 

vulcanvillalta

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I was very interested in the television show, "The Leftovers," so I requested to borrow it from my Library. I'll be sure to alert my friends here on Macrumors how it is :)
 

JBat

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Apr 6, 2007
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I'm currently about 120 pages into my first Greg Iles novel, The Quiet Game, this after a couple of Dan Brown novels, The Da Vinci Code and Deception Point. So far so good. The story is set in the south (Mississippi) and seem to be well-paced and entertaining. Iles is to me a more polished writer than Brown, but I did enjoy both of the Brown novels. I've been reading a lot of novels lately.
 

vulcanvillalta

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I'm currently about 120 pages into my first Greg Iles novel, The Quiet Game, this after a couple of Dan Brown novels, The Da Vinci Code and Deception Point. So far so good. The story is set in the south (Mississippi) and seem to be well-paced and entertaining. Iles is to me a more polished writer than Brown, but I did enjoy both of the Brown novels. I've been reading a lot of novels lately.

I've been meaning to read some of Iles' stuff, but just haven't gotten around to it. I have a paperback copy of "True Evil," but I haven't picked it up since I bought it. Maybe that can be my next book.
 

Scepticalscribe

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Have recently read "Descent Into Chaos: The US and the Disaster in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Central Asia" by Ahmed Rashid (which is a superbly written and exceedingly well researched book, as well as being a deeply depressing and thought-provoking read), and am now taking a look at another work by the same excellent author:"Pakistan On The Brink: The Future Of America, Pakistan and Afghanistan."
 

JBat

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Apr 6, 2007
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I've been meaning to read some of Iles' stuff, but just haven't gotten around to it. I have a paperback copy of "True Evil," but I haven't picked it up since I bought it. Maybe that can be my next book.

I think I'll be buying a few more of his after this one. Good story teller.
 

Limey77

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Have recently read "Descent Into Chaos: The US and the Disaster in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Central Asia" by Ahmed Rashid (which is a superbly written and exceedingly well researched book, as well as being a deeply depressing and thought-provoking read), and am now taking a look at another work by the same excellent author:"Pakistan On The Brink: The Future Of America, Pakistan and Afghanistan."

Been meaning to get around to reading those but I've had to rejig my reading list as I just got a new job and had six books to read for that, one down - only five more to go.
 

Scepticalscribe

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Been meaning to get around to reading those but I've had to rejig my reading list as I just got a new job and had six books to read for that, one down - only five more to go.

Ahmed Rashid is one of the most thoughtful and intelligent writers who is writing material on that part of the world. Over a decade ago he wrote an excellent book on the Taliban, (called "Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia") and his material is invariably well researched, extremely well sourced, balanced, sane, and well worth reading.
 

vulcanvillalta

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I think I'll be buying a few more of his after this one. Good story teller.

I've heard that about him. I'm reading 'Salem's Lot right now, and I still have about 300 pages to go. Usually, thats no problem, but I'm having some trouble concentrating on it for some reason. It's not bad, but perhaps I'm not in the correct mood to be reading it right now.
 

Limey77

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Ahmed Rashid is one of the most thoughtful and intelligent writers who is writing material on that part of the world. Over a decade ago he wrote an excellent book on the Taliban, (called "Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia") and his material is invariably well researched, extremely well sourced, balanced, sane, and well worth reading.

Yeah, I've been meaning to read his stuff for a while, but haven't got around to it yet and it's going to have to wait until I finish my work reading.

About to start Alain de Botton's The Art of Travel and just finished A Technique for Producing Ideas by James Young.
 

Scepticalscribe

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Ahmed Rashid's take on Pakistan (the book of his that I am currently reading "Pakistan On The Brink") is quite a bit bleaker than Anatol Lieven's (also an excellent writer of very well researched books) book "Pakistan: A Hard Country" on the same country which seemed to place greater emphasis on the resilience of the place, and which I read a few weeks ago.

However, Ahmed Rashid is very well respected and is very highly regarded as a writer and analyst on this area.
 

Arcnewal

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Currently reading this, have always been fascinated by it so decided to buy the Kindle addition last week.
 

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