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Isn't there someone out there who "knows someone" who might be working on the Pro team? And is there no way to find out if any additional resources are being dedicated to this so called 2013 project? Hard to believe that it wouldn't be in Cook's best interest to give us more. The whole thing just seems so ludicrous. Call it whining, call it whatever you want, I can't understand how the pro community could be so ignored for so long.

For a company that tries to build trust it is doing a horrible disservice to that segment.
 
Isn't there someone out there who "knows someone" who might be working on the Pro team? And is there no way to find out if any additional resources are being dedicated to this so called 2013 project? Hard to believe that it wouldn't be in Cook's best interest to give us more. The whole thing just seems so ludicrous. Call it whining, call it whatever you want, I can't understand how the pro community could be so ignored for so long.

For a company that tries to build trust it is doing a horrible disservice to that segment.

I have never understood this about "trust" Apple, they have never talked about future updates until this fiasco.
 
I don't know when but my guess it is that it is going to be released next to the Desktop mac, or if it going to be a complete redesign, it could get it's own release or with WWDC again. That about all that I can see happening.
 
Well, if the updated Mac Pro design won't ship till midway through the second half of 2013 and Ivy Bridge Xeon E5's ship in volume at the beginning of Q3 2013 then it would make sense.

Honestly though, I'm not sure the Mac Pro would survive a greater than 12 month delay past this very small incremental bump in June 2012.

Waiting for Ivy Bridge looks like waiting at least 12 months from this recent update.

" Ivy Bridge-EP/-EN products should be available in late first half, or early second half 2013. "
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012072301_Some_details_of_Ivy_Bridge-EP_and_-EN_Xeon_CPUs.html

Given Intel's track record in 2011-2012 this likely would be "launch" in Q3 (early second half ) 2013, but real systems and volume not showing up until 2-3 months later ( E5's launched in March ... showed up in systems from major vendors in very late May to early June with some stragglers in July). That's likely Aug-Oct 2013.

Apple could do that. It looks like there will be some 10 core models that top out at around 95W. That fits with previous Mac Pro dual package set ups. It is a bit dubious though to skip the current Sandy Bridge offerings just for that.

If Apple did SB E5 versions in Jan/Feb and followed up with bumped E5 v2 versions in Nov/Dec, that would get them roughly back into synch with Intel's rollout schedule and keep the Mac Pro ahead of Haswell based Macs.

P.S. the E5 v2 roadmap should be more clear by end of September (and Intel's Fall developer conference).
 
I have this feeling that the Mac Pro won't make it to Haswell, let alone anything else.. if anything as many have been saying on here, expect some kind of xMac or iMac Pro or a combo of the two.

Just theorizing, but it could be possible given the Mac Pro's sales numbers are nothing but niche compared to everything else Apple sells.

Waiting for Ivy Bridge looks like waiting at least 12 months from this recent update.

" Ivy Bridge-EP/-EN products should be available in late first half, or early second half 2013. "
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012072301_Some_details_of_Ivy_Bridge-EP_and_-EN_Xeon_CPUs.html

Given Intel's track record in 2011-2012 this likely would be "launch" in Q3 (early second half ) 2013, but real systems and volume not showing up until 2-3 months later ( E5's launched in March ... showed up in systems from major vendors in very late May to early June with some stragglers in July). That's likely Aug-Oct 2013.

Apple could do that. It looks like there will be some 10 core models that top out at around 95W. That fits with previous Mac Pro dual package set ups. It is a bit dubious though to skip the current Sandy Bridge offerings just for that.

If Apple did SB E5 versions in Jan/Feb and followed up with bumped E5 v2 versions in Nov/Dec, that would get them roughly back into synch with Intel's rollout schedule and keep the Mac Pro ahead of Haswell based Macs.

P.S. the E5 v2 roadmap should be more clear by end of September (and Intel's Fall developer conference).
 
I have this feeling that the Mac Pro won't make it to Haswell, let alone anything else.. if anything as many have been saying on here, expect some kind of xMac or iMac Pro or a combo of the two.

Just theorizing, but it could be possible given the Mac Pro's sales numbers are nothing but niche compared to everything else Apple sells.

I don't make nearly as much money from the traditional film & darkroom photography as i do digital. How ever, there is the "cool" factor and it attracts a lot of customers who in turn do hire me to shoot digital.

Also, Apple PR has stated that sales figures do not directly impact their product line.

I am sure that a change in form factor is in the works, just hope that it is
fast and easy to upgrade
 
If its going to look like or similar to an imac? Expansion will be limited, and I think thats where Apple is moving these days.

Waiting for Ivy Bridge looks like waiting at least 12 months from this recent update.

" Ivy Bridge-EP/-EN products should be available in late first half, or early second half 2013. "
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012072301_Some_details_of_Ivy_Bridge-EP_and_-EN_Xeon_CPUs.html

Given Intel's track record in 2011-2012 this likely would be "launch" in Q3 (early second half ) 2013, but real systems and volume not showing up until 2-3 months later ( E5's launched in March ... showed up in systems from major vendors in very late May to early June with some stragglers in July). That's likely Aug-Oct 2013.

Apple could do that. It looks like there will be some 10 core models that top out at around 95W. That fits with previous Mac Pro dual package set ups. It is a bit dubious though to skip the current Sandy Bridge offerings just for that.

If Apple did SB E5 versions in Jan/Feb and followed up with bumped E5 v2 versions in Nov/Dec, that would get them roughly back into synch with Intel's rollout schedule and keep the Mac Pro ahead of Haswell based Macs.

P.S. the E5 v2 roadmap should be more clear by end of September (and Intel's Fall developer conference).

I don't make nearly as much money from the traditional film & darkroom photography as i do digital. How ever, there is the "cool" factor and it attracts a lot of customers who in turn do hire me to shoot digital.

Also, Apple PR has stated that sales figures do not directly impact their product line.

I am sure that a change in form factor is in the works, just hope that it is
fast and easy to upgrade
 
I have this feeling that the Mac Pro won't make it to Haswell, let alone anything else.. if anything as many have been saying on here, expect some kind of xMac or iMac Pro or a combo of the two.

A dubious hypothesis since Apple overtly said they are coming with a new Mac Pro. It may not look 100% the same but I doubt they intended that to mean an iMac. The xMac often proposed around here is just an iMac alternative. Not a Mac Pro.

There will be a new iMac well before 2013 comes. (even if these Sept-Oct iMac rumors are true).

If iMac or xMac label implies that the Mac Pro picks up a embedded GPU... then yes. But it will still look and feel similar to a legacy Mac Pro.



Just theorizing, but it could be possible given the Mac Pro's sales numbers are nothing but niche compared to everything else Apple sells.

It isn't about numbers as much as growth. As long as the Mac Pro can get back on a growth curve it will be OK. For example, last couple quarter calls, Apple chirped about iMac sales growth. The iMac numbers pale against iPad numbers. Comparing Apples to Oranges isn't the point and I extremely doubt Apple execs obsesses about that.

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If its going to look like or similar to an imac? Expansion will be limited, and I think thats where Apple is moving these days.

At most a 1 PCI-e slot drop to three if embedded a GPU. If Apple just grossly oversubscribes like most Win PCs then would still have 4. 3 or 4, that is still infinitely more than the iMac will have. (Thunderbolt aside. ).

Apple may take a gamble and split the Mac pro and seperate chasis for single package and dual package so that can better make use of the vast difference in available PCI-e lanes. But that still is quite far from "going iMac".
 
2013 will be the year the hold outs get their hearts ripped out when apple announces the Mac pro will be discontinued. IF apple does come out with something to replace it, my guess will be a total redesign, using different processors to be inline with iOS. Looking at the latest 8 core Xeon prices, don't thing many folks can afford a dual 8 or higher core iPro machine. Might as well buy the latest Mac pro or switch to PC to continue on with whatever you need it for.
 
2013 will be the year the hold outs get their hearts ripped out when apple announces the Mac pro will be discontinued. IF apple does come out with something to replace it, my guess will be a total redesign, using different processors to be inline with iOS. Looking at the latest 8 core Xeon prices, don't thing many folks can afford a dual 8 or higher core iPro machine. Might as well buy the latest Mac pro or switch to PC to continue on with whatever you need it for.

Discontinued...IF...etc.? Did Apple not break with "tradition" and contact select media outlets to specifically state that an update to the Mac Pro was forthcoming in 2013? I came very close to ditching my Apple workstation until that announcement, then proceeded to perform multiple hardware upgrades to my'09.

Sure, Pro sales numbers are a tiny fraction of overall revenue, but there is intrinsic value in having a professional presence as long as they are in the PC business at all. Despite the proliferation of mobiles and pundit predictions, computers are not going away in the near future. Subtract mobile device figures and Mac sales (incl. laptops) are still around 30 billion USD per year (and growing)! If the CPU division was spun off, it would still be a Fortune 100 company.

What would people develop on, or use to produce films and music for sale on the iTunes store? Windows machines? Most already do, but does Apple really want to lose that pro market segment and good will? I don't have the answer, but I wish I knew.
 
I have this feeling that the Mac Pro won't make it to Haswell, let alone anything else.. if anything as many have been saying on here, expect some kind of xMac or iMac Pro or a combo of the two.

Just theorizing, but it could be possible given the Mac Pro's sales numbers are nothing but niche compared to everything else Apple sells.

You may very well see haswell macs prior to another mac pro update. There's little reason to believe otherwise. On the imac pro/xmac topic, people get this idea from a sense of uniformity in the line. The mac pro looks out of focus with the rest of it, so of course these theories pop up. In terms of an iMac Pro, I don't really know how many they would sell. They'd need a different chipset to address anything beyond what is addressed by the current version. Displays are not a strong point for Apple. I know everyone thinks they're pretty. If you're looking for a system that allows calibration to a given target with maximum stability or correlation within a group of displays to match by calibrating to a gamut limit that is within range for all of them, Apple offers very little there. It's possible that they could go with good enough. Arguably what they have now is good enough for a lot of things, but if the concept is simply to beef up the configuration, you will hit a wall very quickly. HP's Z1 basically tops out at the fasted quad cpus, but they still offer display upgrades that are compliant with their dreamcolor calibration system. Their gpu selection includes a number of mobile quadros.
 
You may very well see haswell macs prior to another mac pro update. There's little reason to believe otherwise.

I wouldn't bet on that.

There is a reasonable chance that E5 Ivy Bridge will hit "end of 1st half" and that mainstream Haswell will slide to "2nd half".

For the E5, Ivy Bridge is primarily a shrink. Mostly the same architecture on a smaller process. That process is the same process that is being used now to make the Ivy Bridge mainstream processors. So by next May-June it will be quite mature. The E5 dies are larger, but after over a year of production that should be almost a "no brainer" on that process.

In contrast, Haswell is a new architecture. It has "transactional memory" instructions that have never been implemented before. An new updated GPU design. Intel will be rolling out an "SoC" version where the chipset logic is brought inside the package. There are lots of things that could produce some "show stopper" bugs that might cause the schedule to slide for months ( socket change, chip set change, instruction changes , etc. ) The E5 roll out is only the most recent example of that (reportedly bugs found in chipset late in the process). The mainstream support chipset for Sandy Bridge also had presented show stopper bugs that caused a schedule slide.

The likelihood that Haswell will cleanly avoid some major bugs is definitely not zero. Intel might go cleanly this time, but it is probably a coin toss.

That may be one reason why Intel is being coy with the Ivy Bridge E5 target date. If Haswell slides then Intel is going to need another revenue boost earlier and may just slide the E5's up into earlier in 1st half 2013. (assuming it also doesn't have bug, but that is pretty safe. No new chipset. And samples are already floating around so testing is already started. ).

There is some evidence that is what Intel did this year. The E5 roll out slid, in part, to fill the gap created when Ivy Bridge Core i product slid out of the early quarter this year. Intel chirped about "great" E5 sales in their last quarter call. (the Ivy Bridge had largely slid out of the quarter.) If Intel had ramped E5's in late Jan - Feb then there would been a bigger gap between those two launches.

The world economy is so sluggish for the forseeable future and AMD is so far behind in top end server chip performance that Intel is pretty free to move Xeon updates around one or two quarters if they want (assuming have bugs out and ready to go.)


HP's Z1 basically tops out at the fasted quad cpus, but they still offer display upgrades that are compliant with their dreamcolor calibration system. Their gpu selection includes a number of mobile quadros.

Those are external displays on the Z1. They, for the most part, work with the current iMacs also.

If Apple did a "iMac Pro" it should not be too hard to mount mobile quadros onto the motherboard in a similar fashion that more mainstream AMD/Nvidia GPUs + VRAM are mounted now. Although, once the mainstream mobiles are bumped to 2GB (or more) of VRAM there isn't much of specification difference in the fundamentals. It is more of getting into the support certification matrix (for which there are other ways for Apple to fix that; namely point to numbers sold and ask software vendor if they want to miss out on that. )
 
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