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What Happened To The Palm Pre?
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Definitely not. The Pre is a very nice device.
You've got to remember that the Pre was just released this year. The iPhone has been out for two full years and is on it's third generation of hardware. Android is on it's second generation (no real easy way to quantify this as the hardware manufacturers have control not Google) and its software is about to receive its 3rd MAJOR revision with Android 2.0.
Palm has a hit with WebOS. It needs the hardware to mature to really take advantage of the operating system. It's a tad ahead of itself when it comes to the required processing power it seems. There are going to be 3 major smartphone operating systems. iPhone OS, Android and WebOS. The rest are going to fade into the ether eventually, including Symbian.
Give Palm just as many years as Apple and we'll be able to compare a bit better. They're also about to release their second device that runs WebOS, the Pixi, in a month or so. They're also just about to get their App Store off the ground and really running. It's going to take some time. Apple had three years to get things going, Palm is playing catch up but both Palm and Google are gaining ground as Apple is sort of stagnating and hasn't seen any actual huge changes (at least not in the terms of leaps and bounds like Android has been seeing)
Windows Mobile and Blackberry aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Too much adoption and lock-in in the enterprise. I see Palm/WebOS failing or being acquired (MS? RIM? Apple?!) before WinMo or BB die.
Your point about the Pixi is interesting. I haven't heard of it up until now. It looks like a nice device. I read a lot of gadget news (engadget,mac rumors here,etc.) and I haven't seen anything on it. Will the average person notice it? Doubtful.
I am sure that the Pixi is a nice device, but it's nothing new. I don't see any major differences between the Pre and the Pixi.
I am sure that the Pixi is a nice device, but it's nothing new. I don't see any major differences between the Pre and the Pixi.
This is why you shouldn't be marketing your phones directly against the iphone. You will get all the spotlight on you but once another iphone "killer" comes along, people will forget about you and move onto that one. Meanwhile the iphone will still be there being set as the benchmark. We saw this will the HTC Touch HD, Samsung Instinct, the G1, Blackberry Storm, and now the Palm Pre. I'm sure the there are others. The Droid phone will get its moment until another iphone "killer" comes along.
Out of all of those, the Blackberry Storm has done the best. I'm sure the Storm 2 will do even better. If anything is the "iPhone Killer," it will be the Blackberry Storm series.
Give Palm as many years, for what. Dude Palm has been making phones for many years before Apple, what more time do they need. Apple just started making phones in 2007, Palm has been making phones for years, just that they were crap.
How can you use leaps and bounds to describe Android, I haven't seen anything special from them apart from all the new phones being released by different manufacturers. If you are expecting Apple to release as many phones as them, then you are looking at the wrong platform.
I personally believe that companies should stop trying to produce a product to be an iPhone killer, and start producing products to set itself apart from the iPhone. I'd get a phone with no touch screen if it was a revolutionary device that set itself away from the pack.
The iPhone killer will be lack of innovation from Apple.
Also, I really wish people would stop making this timeline/generation argument with the Pre and iPhone. Upon seeing the iPhone in 2007 I didn't hear anybody say "Let's pretend it's 2000 so that we can better compare this to the first generation of Windows Mobile." It's an absolutely ridiculous argument.
It's like saying one sports team is going to crush another, and when they end up losing, saying that you meant the championship team from 1975 would crush that other team today.
Also, I really wish people would stop making this timeline/generation argument with the Pre and iPhone. Upon seeing the iPhone in 2007 I didn't hear anybody say "Let's pretend it's 2000 so that we can better compare this to the first generation of Windows Mobile." It's an absolutely ridiculous argument.
It's like saying one sports team is going to crush another, and when they end up losing, saying that you meant the championship team from 1975 would crush that other team today.
Blackberry 2, don't make me laugh. Who even mentions that phone anymore, it has done the best in terms of what, the Palm Pre itself it 100 times better than the Storm.
Exactly when Apple launched the first iphone, it deviated away from how most phones were. This is why the first iphone caused so much fury even though it was missing a ton of features. There was nothing else like it on the market. You didn't see Apple make a clone of the Blackberry. They bring something refreshing and new to the game, you don't see all these new phones doing that.
As for the Droid most of it's points are covered by the Palm Pre except maybe open development whatever the heck that is. I'm sure the average person cares about that considering how closed the App Store is and it's still the biggest store out there. That point is irrelevant to to must people. The Pre also has superior multitasking to Android phones. I don't see what this Droid phone will bring. It will probably get it's moment to shine for a few months and then fade into oblivion once another so called iphone "killer" comes along.
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I agree with you in principle - but I think there are people who do that, a lot.
Just like with past "iPhone killers" it appears than people's definition of products "shining" is simply them having an ad campaign of some sort prior to launch. The period of the campaign is their heyday and then upon actual release they dissappear.
I completely agree with you. When the iphone launched, we didn't hear people saying we should be comparing them from phones from 2000 or whenever the likes of Blackberry, Windows Mobile, Nokia, Palm launched their phones. They compared it to current phones. So bloody what if the Pre launched after the iphone, Palm has been making phones for years before Apple. We compare against current phones and not phones from 2 years ago. So in 2 years I guess we should be comparing the Pre to the iphone 3gs and not whatever iphone is being used at that time.
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The Blackberry Sh*tstorm is a $200 paperweight. The phone is an absolute piece of garbage and doesn't even compare to the iPhone. I've had it for a year for work, I'm lucky to still use my iPhone as my personal cellphone and I'm happy to get rid of the BBSS very soon.
The SS is slow, extremely slow. Especially when going from portrait to landscape mode, you need to wait a good 3-5 seconds before it does anything. It is also impossible to type fast. I can fly through an e-mail or a text on my iPhone, the SS... not so much. The SS2 is supposed to feature their bootleg version of multi-touch in order to make typing better. But as long as you have to click the screen, this won't be the case. Blackberry users want to be able to fly through e-mails and SMS, not to have to wait after typing each letter.
The BBSS was a swing and a miss and I don't expect the SS2 to be much better.
That's not true at all.
Many, many times when someone would bring up MMS or copy/paste or whatever, someone else would say "oh but this is just the first model, let's compare it to WM's first phone, give them time" etc.
I'm not debating whether it should be done or not. But to say people didn't do this, is to totally ignore forum histories.
Dude of course the iphone users said that. I'm talking about all the iphone bashers, you didn't hear them saying that we should give the iphone more time since it was just released. These are the same people now saying the Pre and other phones should be given more time, how hypocritical.
Palm Pre?
Not enough apps, and an app SDK that was too limiting to be interesting to many mobile developers.
The Droid will have more apps. The open question for the legions of potential mobile developers is how much money and fame is there to be made in the Android app store, compared with iTunes.
Not enough apps, and an app SDK that was too limiting to be interesting to many mobile developers.
The Droid will have more apps. The open question for the legions of potential mobile developers is how much money and fame is there to be made in the Android app store, compared with iTunes.
The Pre's big savior was going to be getting on Verizon in 2010. (And on ATT as well.)
Now it looks like the Androids are getting the press instead.
I have no idea what possessed Palm to do an exclusive with Sprint. Giant mistake. Should've tried to launch on all carriers.
However, it'll be interesting to see how well the Pre sells overseas.
Now it looks like the Androids are getting the press instead.
I have no idea what possessed Palm to do an exclusive with Sprint. Giant mistake. Should've tried to launch on all carriers.
However, it'll be interesting to see how well the Pre sells overseas.
To be a true iPhone killer, you need to have 'mindshare' amongst the average Joe.
The tech community will always have their favourites, but I guess that all the geeks among us, account for about 5% of total phone users worldwide(total guesswork here, lol).
Mention 'Palm Pre', 'Android', etc, to a total non-tech person, and they'd have no idea of what you're talking about.
They would have at least been made aware of 'iPhone', by now though.
The tech community will always have their favourites, but I guess that all the geeks among us, account for about 5% of total phone users worldwide(total guesswork here, lol).
Mention 'Palm Pre', 'Android', etc, to a total non-tech person, and they'd have no idea of what you're talking about.
They would have at least been made aware of 'iPhone', by now though.
Agreed. I think the Pre is a nice phone. If it was on at&t, I would seriously consider it.
Absolutely. I'd have to test it out on the network, but it would certainly be a candidate. I do have an upgrade available after all.
Microsoft is dead in the water. By the time Windows Mobile 7 comes out it will probably be "meh, what happened to Windows Mobile phones?" The only company doing anything remotely cool with Windows Mobile is HTC and they seem to be putting more and more into Android.
RIM? Blah. They might have market share in the business end of things but the business side of cell phones is slowly becoming worthless when they'll all support the same general thing. iPhones do exchange, push email, calendar syncing. Android will as well in the next release. At that point it comes down to, "why RIM?" The Storm was a joke, the Storm 2 is a joke. BB OS is a joke.
Three OSes of the future, iPhone OS, Android, WebOS.
As for why give Palm more time? Because they have to basically reinvent themselves. They moved from Palm OS to WebOS. It's the equivalent of Apple going from OS 9 to OS X. It took years before OS X was really a replacement product. What makes you think Palm is in any less of a position to need time? That's just narrow mindedness on the OP part.
One thing people seem to fail to remember is that we should be cheering for companies like Palm and Google. The better their OSes are the more pressure they put on Apple. Which gives everyone better products. Then it comes down to choice. Which one do I like more? Not well, the iPhone is the only choice.
If you were a security person, you would know that BlackBerry has got so many advantages for the corporate's over the other options then you would be laughing at the comments you made above. And RIM won't change their OS too much as it won't make their millions of users upgrade.
With regards to the actual thread, the Palm Pre has only just made it to the UK and I have only seen 1 T.V. advert and a poster in the local O2 shop. I personally don't feel like they are pushing it much at all. They haven't made a big deal of it's features, and the O2 shop is still occupied by the big iPhone demo table in the middle. And there is something about that device that I am just not sure about. I look at it and think 'meh'. Pretty much like every phone out there, iPhone included.
Just out of interest, has anyone in this thread used a Storm 2? I have and while not an iPhone killer, is a considerable improvement of the original
To be honest, in terms of OS, I think each vendor is going to keep their own version of their OS, but I think we are going to start to see a lot of similataries across the board
Lol, to be an iPhone killer you shouldn't be an iPhone killer.
Companies should try to make a phone with the basic functions in a good way, not try to add it and forgot about it. Eya I mean, come on, copy & paste took a long time before it came on the iPhone but now it's there... it's really nice how you can use it. It's not a feature like "Okay people, today we are going to create copy & paste and we are doing something else tommorow." Apple really thought about the easiness and how it should work.
The onliest thing these companies are trying to do now a days is trying to add it and never look at it again. That's stupid.
Companies should try to make a phone with the basic functions in a good way, not try to add it and forgot about it. Eya I mean, come on, copy & paste took a long time before it came on the iPhone but now it's there... it's really nice how you can use it. It's not a feature like "Okay people, today we are going to create copy & paste and we are doing something else tommorow." Apple really thought about the easiness and how it should work.
The onliest thing these companies are trying to do now a days is trying to add it and never look at it again. That's stupid.