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Some folks are huge fans of the black MacBook, but I’ve never been big on the A1181 MacBooks, despite their well-earned reputation of running for practically forever.

I think the two biggest strikes working against them for me is the FW400 only FireWire support and the top case and display bezels getting frayed and calving away pieces of plastic over time. Or, somewhat related, all of the plastic within deteriorates and crumbles. Also, if there was a MacBook which could have benefited from a backlit keyboard option, it was definitely the black MacBook.

Some folks love the black MacBook and swear by them, and I will always nod my head to them the same way I’d want to be noddedn to for loving the key lime clamshell iBook. :)

The "black tax" Apple put on the black A1181s on release left a foul taste in my mouth; at least from what I've seen on eBay and local buy/sell sites, people seem to be selling their black MacBooks/parts for black MacBooks at a noticeably higher price vs. their white counterparts. Which is to be expected, but still annoying for me nevertheless.

IMO, I think that the biggest strike against the A1181s would be the severely underpowered graphics (as well as SATA bus limitations on the 06'-09' MacBooks) - yellowing and cracking with the palmrest can IMO be ameliorated with adhesive plastic sheet liners. In any case, IMO the major flaws of the A1181 lie either with cosmetic problems, or with age-related issues like failing CCFL backlights. At least the A1181 has never had to deal with issues like crippling GPU failures or persistent overheating... :(
 
Now that you mention it - a BlackBook with a red keyboard backlight would be rad!

Whilst not my aesthetic, a red-backlit, blue-backlit, or green-backlit keyboard for the black MacBook would be an amazing modification.

Considering how the glyphs on the keys from a unibody MacBook/Pro are translucent and not painted, perhaps a manual swap of those keys would mean just trying to find a backlight substrate adapted from a later unibody to be sandwiched somewhere underneath the keys in that riveted topcase assembly?
 
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The "black tax" Apple put on the black A1181s on release left a foul taste in my mouth; at least from what I've seen on eBay and local buy/sell sites, people seem to be selling their black MacBooks/parts for black MacBooks at a noticeably higher price vs. their white counterparts. Which is to be expected, but still annoying for me nevertheless.

Ah yes, I deeply relate with that!

My introduction to buying from Apple back in ’99 gave me that same pre-taste of nastiness when my pending order for a 400MHz G4 got downclocked to 350MHz back in mid-October that year. So anytime when Apple tries to create exclusives or make it so that one can buy an item from one constrained source only (both are variations on the “Mac taxes”), it gets a bit annoying. The key lime iBooks were only sold on their online store as an exclusive, at a time when e-commerce was the exception, not a norm. This is why, years on, they command such a premium: they were never easily available in general and were completely unavailable at Apple authorized reseller brick-and-mortar retailers.

IMO, I think that the biggest strike against the A1181s would be the severely underpowered graphics (as well as SATA bus limitations on the 06'-09' MacBooks) - yellowing and cracking with the palmrest can IMO be ameliorated with adhesive plastic sheet liners.

What would be nice is to find aftermarket vendors for the bezel and topcase/palmrest on the A1181s, but the downside for the latter is the underside of those assemblies is where the factory serial label was affixed. And yeah, the SATA I speeds is one of the curious things about the final, top-end, pre-unibody MacBook Pros which seems, in retrospect, surprising.

In any case, IMO the major flaws of the A1181 lie either with cosmetic problems, or with age-related issues like failing CCFL backlights. At least the A1181 has never had to deal with issues like crippling GPU failures or persistent overheating... :(

All facts here.
 
IMO, I think that the biggest strike against the A1181s would be the severely underpowered graphics
The "stealth" MacBook5,2 is somewhat of an exception to this rule IMO given the GeForce 9400M isn't bad (certainly much better than Intel's offerings of the day!) and allows running newer versions of macOS - annoyingly, it kept the Mini-DVI port of the earlier models so you can't take advantage of the GPU's ability to run an external 2560×1440 or 2560×1600 monitor at 60 Hz.
 
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The "stealth" MacBook5,2 is somewhat of an exception to this rule IMO given the GeForce 9400M isn't bad (certainly much better than Intel's offerings of the day!) and allows running newer versions of macOS - annoyingly, it kept the Mini-DVI port of the earlier models so you can't take advantage of the GPU's ability to run an external 2560×1440 or 2560×1600 monitor at 60 Hz.
Those 2009 a1181s are actually quite good, only drawback is compared to the unibodies the screen isn't nearly as nice. If the unibodies had FW I'd be all over them but sadly they did not. Sure, most of what I do via FW I can do by just taking the HDD out and screwing it into the enclosure but it's just so much easier to have the port.

At the least though, the 9400m is enough that a 1920x1200 monitor will be smooth, unlike the Intel graphics. That GPU can also handle the rubber-band assembled COD4 port which is a great credit to it. A 320M is much better though, shame that i-series chips on the 2011-12 models make buying a 2010 MBP seem like a mediocre investment now.
 
I tried once again to fix the Mac OS X capabilities of my 2006 C2D MBP. I had previously ruled out anything to do with the SSD as the insanely long boot times persist even without the SSD. It takes 10+ minutes for an OS X Install DVD to boot on the MBP and five minutes for a Leopard install to boot up from the SSD. I theorized that maybe something happened on a firmware level, so I burned a copy of Apple's Firmware Restoration CD version 1.4, but no luck. According to Apple I should see three quick blinks, three long blinks, and then three quick blinks on my MBP's sleep indicator light, but I only saw one set of the three quick blinks. Was supposed to see an Apple logo on a grey screen with a progress bar followed by a restart to indicate the firmware was being restored, but that never happened. I also installed Leopard on the MBP again to run the 1.4 firmware installer, but my MBP's firmware was already up to date, so the installer wouldn't run.

Looking back I do recall installing SP3 and a couple of security updates to Windows XP and I am wondering if doing so made some BIOS/EFI/Firmware level change that XP is fine with, but OS X is not. I have tried to be happy with having this be an XP only laptop, but the fact that the Mac's OS X capabilities are so messed up annoys me and I will never be truly satisfied with this laptop being Windows only. On top of all of this, both FireWire ports no longer work. I think the only options left are either a logic board swap or replacing this Mac altogether.
 
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Some folks are huge fans of the black MacBook, but I’ve never been big on the A1181 MacBooks, despite their well-earned reputation of running for practically forever.

I think the two biggest strikes working against them for me is the FW400 only FireWire support and the top case and display bezels getting frayed and calving away pieces of plastic over time. Or, somewhat related, all of the plastic within deteriorates and crumbles. Also, if there was a MacBook which could have benefited from a backlit keyboard option, it was definitely the black MacBook.

Some folks love the black MacBook and swear by them, and I will always nod my head to them the same way I’d want to be nodded to for loving the key lime clamshell iBook. :)
I’ll say it now, as I’m very into speculative assets (although unlike my other ventures these Macs are very much permanent). Things like the clamshell and probably this black MacBook will be going for thousands easily in my lifetime…
 
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I tried once again to fix the Mac OS X capabilities of my 2006 C2D MBP. I had previously ruled out anything to do with the SSD as the insanely long boot times persist even without the SSD. It takes 10+ minutes for an OS X Install DVD to boot on the MBP and five minutes for a Leopard install to boot up from the SSD. I theorized that maybe something happened on a firmware level, so I burned a copy of Apple's Firmware Restoration CD version 1.4, but no luck. According to Apple I should see three quick blinks, three long blinks, and then three quick blinks on my MBP's sleep indicator light, but I only saw one set of the three quick blinks. Was supposed to see an Apple logo on a grey screen with a progress bar followed by a restart to indicate the firmware was being restored, but that never happened. I also installed Leopard on the MBP again to run the 1.4 firmware installer, but my MBP's firmware was already up to date, so the installer wouldn't run.

Looking back I do recall installing SP3 and a couple of security updates to Windows XP and I am wondering if doing so made some BIOS/EFI/Firmware level change that XP is fine with, but OS X is not. I have tried to be happy with having this be an XP only laptop, but the fact that the Mac's OS X capabilities are so messed up annoys me and I will never be truly satisfied with this laptop being Windows only. On top of all of this, both FireWire ports no longer work. I think the only options left are either a logic board swap or replacing this Mac altogether.
I know that my Mac mini late 2006 boots Tiger insanely fast. If I understand correctly, your using the optical drive to boot a Mac OS X installer? I think the fastest way is to just image a read-only DMG of OS X to another partition and boot that. I’ve been doing that for years and it’s very quick.

I am still very much Orignal HDD gang, due to laziness, time, and money, but I swear the boot time of an OS X installer and Tiger itself on the late 2006 raises eyebrows for me. How pathetic IMO are the comparisons to modern proprietary OSes.
 
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I know that my Mac mini late 2006 boots Tiger insanely fast. If I understand correctly, your using the optical drive to boot a Mac OS X installer? I think the fastest way is to just image a read-only DMG of OS X to another partition and boot that. I’ve been doing that for years and it’s very quick.
Yes, I use the optical drive for the OS X installer, but that’s not the problem. I don’t think running the installer from a hdd partition will make much difference because when Mac OS X is finally installed, it takes five minutes or more to boot to the desktop. My problem is that updating XP messed up OS X’s boot times really badly and that includes both the installer and a new installation of OS X.
 
I’ll say it now, as I’m very into speculative assets (although unlike my other ventures these Macs are very much permanent). Things like the clamshell and probably this black MacBook will be going for thousands easily in my lifetime…

This is just me, but from what I've seen, the black MacBook hasn't quite reached Key Lime/Graphite clamshell levels yet -- on Kijiji in my city, and on eBay, prices on black A1181s are about $100-300; the only outlier was a was Japanese black MacBook in average condition being sold in Australia.

While the black A1181s were far less common than their white counterparts, I don't think they were rare enough to necessarily qualify as high-value collectors items, unless they'd be sealed BNIB, with a non-standard foreign keyboard and/or with the case plastics in original condition (i.e. without chipped edges, or discolouration). If you've got your hands on such a unit, congratulations! :D

My introduction to buying from Apple back in ’99 gave me that same pre-taste of nastiness when my pending order for a 400MHz G4 got downclocked to 350MHz back in mid-October that year. So anytime when Apple tries to create exclusives or make it so that one can buy an item from one constrained source only (both are variations on the “Mac taxes”), it gets a bit annoying. The key lime iBooks were only sold on their online store as an exclusive, at a time when e-commerce was the exception, not a norm. This is why, years on, they command such a premium: they were never easily available in general and were completely unavailable at Apple authorized reseller brick-and-mortar retailers.

I'd forgotten that the Key Lime iBook was an online-only exclusive; I think the same was true for the Graphite iBook SE? (Which I drooled over back in the day!)

As for the 1999 G4 fiasco, yeah, I clearly remember that! I told my dad about it (including the rumors circulated by AppleInside at the time surrounding PPC 7400 CPU yields at Motorola and the Yikes G4), shortly after he ordered our 450 400 Mhz Sawtooth, and he was really pissed. But there wasn't much we could do, since our Performa 6320/120 CD was getting a little long in the tooth...

The "stealth" MacBook5,2 is somewhat of an exception to this rule IMO given the GeForce 9400M isn't bad (certainly much better than Intel's offerings of the day!) and allows running newer versions of macOS - annoyingly, it kept the Mini-DVI port of the earlier models so you can't take advantage of the GPU's ability to run an external 2560×1440 or 2560×1600 monitor at 60 Hz.

The GeForce 9400M, and the ability to run OS X 10.11 is the reason why I love the MacBook 5,2 so much. That and the optical drive runs on SATA too, which means I can use more-readily available SATA-SATA optical drive bay caddies to add an additional hard drive or SSD to them. It's also amazing that I can boot it from Leopard, all the way up to El Capitan. And the parts most commonly prone to failure -- the top case, LCD/LCD assembly, or display inverter -- are interoperable with all prior MacBook models (and even if I run into the issue of a 3-wall vs. 4-wall connector, swapping cables is relatively easy).

That all being said, the GMA graphics on the MacBook 1-4 series is actually a lot more capable than most people realize. I've been able to run a lot of early 2000s first person shooters and third person action games on even a Core Duo MacBook 1,1 through WINE (like System Shock 2, XIII, Soldier of Fortune 2, and F.E.A.R, among others), and they're all quite playable and enjoyable. Heck, I've even been able to play Ion Fury on my GMA X3100-equipped MacBook 4,2 through eDuke32, and it's surprisingly playable (albeit, with the settings turned way down...)
 
You can even go past El Capitan with patches. :)
I absolutely loved Sierra on my 5,2. I had bought it because I had really outgrown my 2,1 and wanted to run Yosemite really bad at the time. I went all the way to High Sierra on that one for awhile but its currently on El Capitan because I wanted the trackpad back. With a SSD the white books really preform well.
 
I'd forgotten that the Key Lime iBook was an online-only exclusive; I think the same was true for the Graphite iBook SE? (Which I drooled over back in the day!)

Nah, only the key lime 366 and the key lime SE 466 were online-only. One actually could buy a 466 Graphite or a 366 indigo at any Apple reseller, in addition to the online Apple store, at the time. This is why the graphite 466 is so relatively common to this day: it was less the conservative nature of the colour than it was its general availability whilst new.

The last key lime clamshell I saw on kijiji was in Québec — Trois-Rivières area, as memory serves — back in early 2019, and for some odd reason, it stayed available for several weeks. I tried to contact the seller but received no reply. I was willing to rent a car and head over there, if need be, had they replied. :/

As for the 1999 G4 fiasco, yeah, I clearly remember that! I told my dad about it (including the rumors circulated by AppleInside at the time surrounding PPC 7400 CPU yields at Motorola and the Yikes G4), shortly after he ordered our 450 400 Mhz Sawtooth, and he was really pissed. But there wasn't much we could do, since our Performa 6320/120 CD was getting a little long in the tooth...

Yeah, that’s basically how it went for everyone. In hindsight, the troubles I later had with the Yikes! 350 often made me wonder why I didn’t find a way to make buying the 450 400 Sawtooth a possibility — even if it meant more instant ramen suppers in the near-term.
 
The "black tax" Apple put on the black A1181s on release left a foul taste in my mouth; at least from what I've seen on eBay and local buy/sell sites, people seem to be selling their black MacBooks/parts for black MacBooks at a noticeably higher price vs. their white counterparts. Which is to be expected, but still annoying for me nevertheless.
A long time ago, but some time after these were actually sold, I was at Starbucks with my son doing our usual Saturday evening coffee/hot chocolate (for him)/Mac experience. There was a guy there in his 20s with a black MBP. I just had to walk up to him and tell him that he had a very nice Mac.

He was alternatively confused and happy. Confused I think because he probably didn't realize the 'cachet' the black MBPs had gotten and so wondered why I'd make a comment about a mass-produced Mac. And happy I think because I had made the comment.

I think the black MBPs are cool, but they are a lot like my 2006 17" MBP in the sense that they can't really do anything now. App development has left them behind and they are underpowered for modern uses. I think if you can accept that fact then owning one would be cool. My only use for one, if I ever get one, would be for web browsing (with whatever browser will work on it) at coffee shops on weekends. It's a shame, but their 'beauty' is really only skin deep.
 
Streaming Pandora to my BT Aftershokz Aeropex.

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I think the black MBPs are cool, but they are a lot like my 2006 17" MBP in the sense that they can't really do anything now. App development has left them behind and they are underpowered for modern uses. I think if you can accept that fact then owning one would be cool. My only use for one, if I ever get one, would be for web browsing (with whatever browser will work on it) at coffee shops on weekends. It's a shame, but their 'beauty' is really only skin deep.

I largely agree; apart from the black casing, they largely only came with extra RAM and storage space, and there are enough dead black A1181 machines floating around out there that you could just swap the case plastics over if you really wanted to.

That being said, despite their age, for hobbyist machines IMO they're quite usable with RAM and SSD upgrades. On the GMA X3100-equipped MacBooks, installing Linux gets around many of the limitations they have to deal with on OS X 10.7 or 10.6. (Along with up-to-date versions of Firefox and Chrome, they can even run Zoom pretty well.)
 
You can always transplant a 5,2‘s logic board into a BlackBook‘s case and at least get better graphics and more recent OS X. Nonetheless a Core 2 Duo is getting long in the tooth.

My fondness for the MacBook 5,2 has led to me accruing enough of these machines that I'm seriously considering doing it. Though from what I recall reading from a thread here, I'd have to do a not-insignificant amount of case hacking to accommodate the differing screw stand-off positions on the motherboard.
 
You can always transplant a 5,2‘s logic board into a BlackBook‘s case and at least get better graphics and more recent OS X. Nonetheless a Core 2 Duo is getting long in the tooth.

This may be, but it still astounds me how there are folks who are completely able to run everything up to Big Sur on the last of the C2Ds — and they actually do.

When I can afford to grab a 4GB SO-DIMM for my A1261, it’ll bring up the specs to the 6GB cap, and that’s when I’ll look to installing either High Sierra or Mojave on it (I’m just not that ready to ditch all my 32-bit software which I still use).
 
This may be, but it still astounds me how there are folks who are completely able to run everything up to Big Sur on the last of the C2Ds — and they actually do.

When I can afford to grab a 4GB SO-DIMM for my A1261, it’ll bring up the specs to the 6GB cap, and that’s when I’ll look to installing either High Sierra or Mojave on it (I’m just not that ready to ditch all my 32-bit software which I still use).
Is it 6? I could have sworn I have 8 in my 5,2.. I have 13 Macs and its hard to keep all the specs straight...
 
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Is it 6? I could have sworn I have 8 in my 5,2.. I have 13 Macs and its hard to keep all the specs straight...

The MacBook5,2 may be 8GB (the 6GB ceiling seems to have been broken with the introduction of the unibody MacBook5,1 and 15-inch MacBookPro5,1 of later 2008), but the early 2008 MacBookPro4,1, 15- or 17-inch, is limited to 6GB, as is the early 2008 MacBook4,1.
 
This may be, but it still astounds me how there are folks who are completely able to run everything up to Big Sur on the last of the C2Ds — and they actually do.

When I can afford to grab a 4GB SO-DIMM for my A1261, it’ll bring up the specs to the 6GB cap, and that’s when I’ll look to installing either High Sierra or Mojave on it (I’m just not that ready to ditch all my 32-bit software which I still use).
Mojave on an MBP4,1 with only 4GB RAM really is ok - but SSD is mission critical (the 4GB RAM stick is certainly another welcome helping - I do not regret the 30bucks ...).
My routine is to prepare the SSD in an external USB-housing with HFS+ partition-mapping and a small 12GB partition at the very end to hold the MojavePatch-Installer.
Mojave is also my final frontier for the sake of all my favorite 32bit-Apps.
 
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