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my Macs are an idle cupboard-full of unused aluminium...
Why? is a 2017 iMac with Sequoia not yet a perfect usable machine? What are you missing?
If you absolutely need a maintained system, Linux Mate (with the Cupertino tweak) does perfectly the job, as long you are not absolutely needing a specific software that has no equivalent...
 
Not done much lately. To be honest, now that Apple has called time on Intels, I've lost some interest in the machines. I will doubtless push the 2017 4K iMac to Tahoe once OCLP officially supports such a move, but otherwise, my Macs are an idle cupboard-full of unused aluminium...
I did consider getting a Trashcan, but have ditched the idea since.
I don't understand this at all. Who owns and uses Macs just to upgrade operating systems? I am running Monterey in my daily drivers and have no interest in upgrading. In fact I rarely use the OS as such other than the features that have existed for long time in most OS versions. I use software I need, the operating system just makes that possible and acts as a mediary between me and the machine and its peripherals.

Anyways, I have been on a lookout for a cheap Trashcan and finally found one this week (with mouse and kbd, power cord) for less than what a tank of gasoline costs to my car. :cool: It is a 6 core machine, so the first order of business was to look at upgrade CPU's. As I do not do video editing or other tasks where 12 core might be most useful I investigated what would be the cpu with best single core performance and found that it is one of the 8 core ones which is "much" faster than the 10 or 12 core offerings in single core stuff and not that much slower in multi core. So, I ordered one of those for 19€ incl. shipping and tax. 👍

I do have a Samsung 2TB NVME and an adapter that I will also transfer from one of my cMPs to the Trashcan.
 
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I just wondered if someone has really got interest in those majestically fails...
Even commercial fails can be good and/interesting machines. Trashcan, G4 Cube, TAM etc.

Trashcan @ 10.000€ - fail
Trashcan @ 100€ - winwin!

The 8-core version I upgrade to is much faster in single-core applications and vastly faster in multi-core applications than the iMac 2011 i7 3.4GHz, which in itself is no slouch, so for most jobs they are perfectly usable today.

And if Apple would have realized to make an external PCIe expansion chassis with 2-4 slots and couple of TB controllers to plug into those TB buses I suspect the TCan would have been little less of a failure. They totally missed the whole point of Mac Pro - expandability. But, they made provisions for it, the 6 TB connectors in 3 buses. Just nothing to plug into them. :rolleyes: Also the fact that no GPU upgrades were released was a mistake but that at least is fixable with eGPU.

Ps. and finally I have a use for my wifes ex 27" TB display which I can now fix for myself and use with the TCan. 👍
 
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I am running Monterey in my daily drivers and have no interest in upgrading.
I wish Monterey worked without annoyances on my Mac mini, MBA M1.
tahoe just remedied Monterey problems and is more GUI friendlier than seq.-vent.
I really like Monterey until the easy upgrade sabotage the system...preference?
Not done much lately. To be honest, now that Apple has called time on Intels, I've lost some interest in the machines. I will doubtless push the 2017 4K iMac to Tahoe once OCLP officially supports such a move, but otherwise, my Macs are an idle cupboard-full of unused aluminium...
I did consider getting a Trashcan, but have ditched the idea since.
I agree and use my MacBook Air 2010 more now since I need to graphic design many things
as CS4 rules with intel 4GB than affinity 8GB unified memory.

personally I don't miss the internets, news, though air drop when works is a blessing!
 
I wish Monterey worked without annoyances on my Mac mini, MBA M1.
tahoe just remedied Monterey problems and is more GUI friendlier than seq.-vent.
I really like Monterey until the easy upgrade sabotage the system...preference?
Sorry, I don't understand what you are talking about. I've had no problems with Monterey over the years in almost dozen Intel machines. What is this stuff about M1? Are you in the right forum?
 
Why? is a 2017 iMac with Sequoia not yet a perfect usable machine? What are you missing?
If you absolutely need a maintained system, Linux Mate (with the Cupertino tweak) does perfectly the job, as long you are not absolutely needing a specific software that has no equivalent...
The iMac sees use, no problem there, but that's a passing mention as it doesn't count as Early Intel. It was an irresistible bargain at £50!
I don't understand this at all. Who owns and uses Macs just to upgrade operating systems?
Well, me. When at home, I mainly use Windows desktops, and, as said, my actual computing needs, as in a very small business, can be and are run on a Celeron netbook. All the Macbooks are essentially toys, although when away house-sitting, I'm usually using the hi-res 2011 15" as a daily driver.
Gaming? Windows. And the only game I play, not very often, will run on that netbook! So my need for power is, essentially, non-existent.
I'm an old, retired guy with little to do, so apart from a very occasional rock gig on bass, I mess with computers! Just to keep mentally ticking along.
 
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I get that, I mess with computers as hobby too.

But, you lose interest in your Macs because Apple doesn't support Intel in their future OS-versions, that I don't get. You use Windows and Linux, they run fine in Macs and with OCLP you can run many different Mac OS in them. I personally see no value in newer OS-versions just for the sake that they are newer and have some new childish icons and IOS like look, in fact I don't like the direction Apple has taken in recent versions at all.
 
I get that, I mess with computers as hobby too.

But, you lose interest in your Macs because Apple doesn't support Intel in their future OS-versions, that I don't get. You use Windows and Linux, they run fine in Macs and with OCLP you can run many different Mac OS in them. I personally see no value in newer OS-versions just for the sake that they are newer and have some new childish icons and IOS like look, in fact I don't like the direction Apple has taken in recent versions at all.
Entirely agree. I do play with Linux a lot, on PCs and the Macs, and will, in future, switch entirely to Linux. I've managed to extend my use of Windows 10 using licensed LTSC versions (no fan of Win 11), but when that ends...Linux, all the way, on all the machines I then have.
 
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I got the Trashcan today and just finished installing Monterey to it. Nice machine.

It seems to be a decent upgrade to my iMac 2011. I am waiting for the 8 core cpu and also ordered a second pair of 16GB dimms to max the RAM to 64GB. I was expecting that it had 4x8GB but it came with 2x16GB, which was nice. :cool:

Ps. after verifying it works I now pulled a Samsung EVO 970 2TB out of my cMP and installed it to the Trashmac.
 

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i opened my macbook air 2010 11.?" 4GB i5 snow leopard
as just 19 seconds led me to this forum.
the macbook air 2020 M! Tahoe took over well a minute as i did not time that.

Steve Jobs 1
Tim Cook 0

now i will install Mojave on MBA2010 an extra drive thanks to dude_du_dos.

update
one cannot upgrade past lion on these 2010 intel macs anymore, too much loop rhetoric.
hopefully the MBP'12 will make a bootable usb.
 
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Since installing Wows 'mavericks forever' version of 10.9 on my iMac 10,1, I've been going thru 'Macintosh Garden' by year from 2005 (Intel) checking out the Intel software I can download....
Could you link this "Wows" version? TIA.
 
I got the Trashcan today and just finished installing Monterey to it. Nice machine.

It seems to be a decent upgrade to my iMac 2011. I am waiting for the 8 core cpu and also ordered a second pair of 16GB dimms to max the RAM to 64GB. I was expecting that it had 4x8GB but it came with 2x16GB, which was nice. :cool:

Ps. after verifying it works I now pulled a Samsung EVO 970 2TB out of my cMP and installed it to the Trashmac.
That is going to be a real beast of a machine!
My plan for one, before I changed my mind, was the 3.0GHz 10-core, because why not? It seemed the best trade-off between core count and speed. in terms of my no-use case, that is!
:D
 
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Having sounded off at how lacklustre I've become about EIMs, I discovered by chance this thread:
Mavericks Forever
So I've dug out the late-2011 15" MBP HiRes and will work through @Wowfunhappy 's sterling work from his amazing website of the same name.
mavericksforever.com
OK, should have remembered that neither 2011 15 will work because of the disabled dGPU. Next stop, 2011 13-inch MBP!
 
OK, should have remembered that neither 2011 15 will work because of the disabled dGPU. Next stop, 2011 13-inch MBP!
I was wondering if you were going to remember the 2011 has a bad GPU. I had the same model with a bad GPU also. I replaced it with the same model (with high res matte display) but 2012 which I still own. I may put Mavericks Forever on it!
 
I was wondering if you were going to remember the 2011 has a bad GPU. I had the same model with a bad GPU also. I replaced it with the same model (with high res matte display) but 2012 which I still own. I may put Mavericks Forever on it!
The 2011s with bad dGPUs are both running with them disabled in NVRAM. If they were physically disabled, there would be no issue, but that is beyond my skills. Strangely though, if you make up a @dosdude1 patched Catalina install USB, it will work flawlessly on these machines! Certainly always has on my two, anyhow. These machines will not even take their native High Sierra. Once Catalina is on them, OCLP works just fine.
 
I was wondering if you were going to remember the 2011 has a bad GPU. I had the same model with a bad GPU also. I replaced it with the same model (with high res matte display) but 2012 which I still own. I may put Mavericks Forever on it!
yes, I read last decade that the 2012 MBP had great GPU while the 2010-11 were "ehhhh"
even Luke Miami stated this in a video back then.
p
I do own a 2012 MBP13" which has a great GPU and runs the best out of my 3 MacBooks,
 
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yes, I read last decade that the 2012 MBP had great GPU while the 2010-11 were "ehhhh"
even Luke Miami stated this in a video back then.
p
I do own a 2012 MBP13" which has a great GPU and runs the best out of my 3 MacBooks,
The bad GPU affected the 2011 15", 2012 rMBP 15" and maybe the 2013 15" MBP but none of the 13" MBPs were affected. The 2012 15" cMBP was not affected. I also had a 13" MBP with the dual core i7 and that was a very good machine.

As soon as I discovered the problem in my 2011 MBP, I unloaded it. I replaced it with a 2012 rMBP, but as soon as I found out it could suffer the same fate as the 2011, I unloaded that! I replaced it with the 2012 cMBP that I have now. I've had no complaints with this machine!
 
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I love my 2013 13" MBP. Yes, it's Metal capable and modern enough to not be 'early Intel', but it just feels retro enough in all the right places. Actual proper ports, MagSafe, a good enough keyboard, excellent screen (the delamination is barely noticeable), still decent battery life (the original battery!) and running Sequoia like a champ.

So what I do with a MBP this old? I use it as a distraction free writing machine for essays, documents and research. I mostly use iA Writer but I also just use the focus mode in Word sometimes.
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The system is mostly stable, featureunlock disabled, since that seems to break every single app after a while of using the laptop.

For some reason it feels faster to use than my 2017 TB MBP? That one has much higher specs but I suspect that the SSD in there is stating to fail..
 
For some reason it feels faster to use than my 2017 TB MBP? That one has much higher specs but I suspect that the SSD in there is stating to fail..
that is a nice set up, glad everything works!
The MacBook Pro 13" 2012 is the fastest, smoothest and quickest launch of the three in use, a MBA2010 & MBA2020M1.
the i7 intel works like a charm as Mountain lion runs the laptop, even the internets works well, some sites.

my other comment or question about early Intels is
do I need adobe flash for a MBA2010 running Mojave?
none of the video websites plays video.
I did it try YouTube on that yesterday, forogt!
thanks in advance!
 
To those who replied to my earlier posts, thanks. Glad that some people out there found my adventures with making vinyl/cassette rips interesting. I've been looking into the alternatives you all suggested, though for now I am sticking with my current setup.

As for my other Intel Macs, I decided to put OCLP on my 2012 MBP 9,2 again. I know I swore off OCLP, but I couldn't help but feel like I was holding my Mac back by keeping it on Mojave when I know it is capable of newer. I like Mojave, it has its benefits, but I just didn't want to stay on it anymore. I currently have Sonoma 14.8.1 running with the most recent OCLP. It runs well, even better than the last time Sonoma was on it. Then again, I've been optimistic before about Sonoma and been let down...still, so far, so good. I carved out a 100 GB partition to try Sequioa on, but I haven't gotten around to putting Sequioa on there yet. Maybe when the next OCLP comes out. The main purpose of my 2012 MBP is managing my iTunes library + iPod, but it still is very capable of daily driving. My ThinkPad T480S became my daily driver after I fell out of love with OCLP and my recently added Dell Optiplex build is my gaming PC, but I really do prefer macOS, even though I think the UI was never as good as it was during Snow Leopard and moving the energy saver settings to the lock screen section of Settings in recent macOS versions is baffling. I definitely plan on using my 2012 MBP over my ThinkPad when possible.

Before making this post I didn't have any plans for my 2009 Minis, but after seeing the Mavericks Forever thread, I'm thinking about putting Mavericks back on my Early 2009 Mini.
 
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Maybe skirting the line of early Intel a bit, but I recently picked up a 2014 11" MBA because I absolutely adore the form factor and my 2010 model has a failing keyboard and even the later 11" models have gotten quite cheap now. I installed Monterey on it via OCLP, and plan to daily drive it for a bit to see how it fares before possibly upgrading it to Ventura. So far it's been running great, although the battery has 1400+ cycles so I may look into replacing it.

I'd forgotten how much I loved the 11" form factor. I wish they still made Macs like these but I'm glad I've gotten a reliable replacement to hopefully keep running for years to come!
 
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