What have you done with an early Intel recently?

[mectojic]

What build of HS do you have?

This is the page I was talking about:
http://www.macvidcards.com/drivers.html

Thanks for sharing the page. But my build wasn't any of those. Can't check for now since I've swapped the GPUs and set up Win10. May be able to check later.

 

[VirtuallyInsane]

So I took the plunge and updated my MBP 07 15-inch to Mavericks. I had to delete my SL disk through Target Disk mode and make a USB Installer, but so far I'm having fun. (And yeah, I backed up my SL stuff in case I ever wanted to run it again).

It's warmer, but I have MacsFanControl on here. Maybe some files are still indexing, or something is running that shouldn't be. But it's more supported than SL and I wanted a 15-inch to type in bed at night with, and surd the web too.

I also changed up the backgrounds this time because I was getting bored with Alexis y Fido so I put a Rauw Alejandro one on this time--actually, I put on that change every half hour because I couldn't choose between them both.

Which one do you like more?

 

[B S Magnet]

So I took the plunge and updated my MBP 07 15-inch to Mavericks. I had to delete my SL disk through Target Disk mode and make a USB Installer, but so far I'm having fun. (And yeah, I backed up my SL stuff in case I ever wanted to run it again).

It's warmer, but I have MacsFanControl on here. Maybe some files are still indexing, or something is running that shouldn't be. But it's more supported than SL and I wanted a 15-inch to type in bed at night with, and surd the web too.

I also changed up the backgrounds this time because I was getting bored with Alexis y Fido so I put a Rauw Alejandro one on this time--actually, I put on that change every half hour because I couldn't choose between them both.

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Which one do you like more?

As always, go with the one you like to look at the most. Time will reveal which one you prefer opening up the lid to see.

 

[TheShortTimer]

As always, go with the one you like to look at the most. Time will reveal which one you prefer opening up the lid to see.

For many years a version of this image was my favoured wallpaper and it greeted me upon resuming my Mac from sleep.

 

[B S Magnet]

For many years a version of this image was my favoured wallpaper and it greeted me upon resuming my Mac from sleep.

That‘s a mood.

This is reminding me of a nearby Stop the Violence mural which was torn down not long ago for a transit station (unusual, in that most demolished structures here are, invariably, to make way for the cleansing action of gentrification in the form of, no irony, luxury condo towers).

 

[VirtuallyInsane]

As always, go with the one you like to look at the most. Time will reveal which one you prefer opening up the lid to see.

Yeah, it will take me a while to make my mind up probably lol. At least I have the choice of them both for now. That's a good way to look at it.

 

[Marche90]

I should try this later tonight. I hope I can come back with good news.
Though I have to say... the keys are being pressed in software but physically they are springy and in good shape.

EDIT: Tried it and nothing changed. I'm pretty sure the keyboard is busted. For now I'll keep it like this (not like I can do something else)
Good thing I have a bluetooth keyboard small enough to fit on top of the keyboard if I want to use it.
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Aaaaand now the audio has crapped the bed. No audio, no boot chime, no audio devices even under Linux 🙃

Selling it as is it is.
I hope I have better luck with the 2010' MBP

 

[eyoungren]

Restored my iPhone 5 to a clean install of iOS 10.3.4 using iTunes 12.9.5.5 on my Mac Pro.

So much old junk on that iPhone from the time when it was my secondary phone (the role my 6s+ has now). But I have 'promoted' it to a desktop clock to replace the role the old HTC Touch Pro was being used for. The TP has been very glitchy lately.

Found a cool Nixie clock for iOS though so that's the major reason I 'promoted' the old iPhone 5. We'll see how long it lasts as this 5 is the fourth replacement of my original due to the iPhone 5's tendency for battery swelling. At this point, I really don't care anymore though. My 5 is in a middle ground of being too new, but not new enough.

 

[B S Magnet]

We'll see how long it lasts as this 5 is the fourth replacement of my original due to the iPhone 5's tendency for battery swelling. At this point, I really don't care anymore though. My 5 is in a middle ground of being too new, but not new enough.

If only there was a way to set and forget the iPhone to maintain a 50 per cent charge at all times — no higher or lower — so at not to push the battery to its extremes and enabling that avoidable swelling.

 

[eyoungren]

If only there was a way to set and forget the iPhone to maintain a 50 per cent charge at all times — no higher or lower — so at not to push the battery to its extremes and enabling that avoidable swelling.

Yeah, I wish.

I'm in the habit though of pulling it off charger whenever I'm not in the room. Nobody but me pays any attention to my 'clocks' so if I'm not in the room I don't see a reason to have the screen on and the phone plugged in. Even more so if I will be gone for a while. That should help, although I doubt it helps much.

Since it is now a clock, I don't need what was on it before (which is why I restored it). I need a few things, but mail, contacts, messages, facetime, calendars, reminders, web browsers, other apps? No. Consequently I set it to be in low power mode permanently. Maybe that'll help, IDK.

 

[Amethyst1]

I've just acquired a Club3D CSV-6400, which is a four-port DisplayPort 1.2 MST hub. It allows running more than one monitor from a single DisplayPort output as long as the combined bandwidth doesn't exceed 17.28 Gbps (but not on macOS because it doesn't support this kind of MST configuration). AGDCDiagnose reveals it (probably) uses a MegaChips STDP4320 chipset:

* 2: kAGDCPortCapability is not supported on the current platform
[DP 1.2 4 x HBR2]      Status: [4 x HBR2 7777]      caps [features 0x0, p_encoding 0x0]      DP     Branch OUI:000-128-225 Dp4320 [068-112-052-051-050-048] HW Version: 0    FW Version: 7.161

My 2007 MacBook Pro allows easily attaching modern GPUs using an ExpressCard-to-PCIe adapter, so it's perfect as a quick'n'dirty test mule to see how far I can get with this thing...

1. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti (Kepler), Ubuntu 22.04.2, nouveau driver

I didn't get very far with this GPU at all. Using either a Dell UP2715K (dual-link DisplayPort) or an IBM "Bertha" T221 (quad-link DVI), as soon as I enable any output on the MST hub, the system basically freezes. Tests with less "crazy" monitors will follow, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

2. AMD Radeon RX 460 (Polaris), Ubuntu 22.04.2, amdgpu driver

First, the Dell UP2715K. It requires two discrete DisplayPort 1.2 connections for full 5120×2880 resolution even at 30 Hz refresh (which can technically be pushed over a single connection). So, the question is whether the hub allows e.g. 5120×2880 at 30 Hz using just one of the GPU's DisplayPorts. (It's already been established that 5120×2880 at 60 Hz and 8 bpc is possible using a DisplayPort 1.4 MST hub, but I'm using an 1.2 one.)
Well... nope. After setting both outputs to 2560×2880 at 30 Hz, the best I got was one 2560×2880 image stretched to fill the entire screen.

Next, the IBM "Bertha" T221. She requires four discrete single-link DVI connections for full 3840×2400 resolution at 48 Hz refresh. So, does the hub allow full throttle using just one of the GPU's DisplayPorts?
Well, no luck either. No matter if I use one, two, three or four outputs and regardless of the mode, I get no picture and an amber LED flashing accusingly. I used confirmed-to-be-passive DisplayPort-to-DVI adapters which are supported by the hub. (All my active adapters are miniDisplayPort so I can't test them with the hub.)

On a lighter note, I can report that the RX 460 is not subject to the "two [or three] non-DisplayPort devices only" restriction that earlier (HD 5000 and newer) GPUs have as I simultaneously ran three passive DisplayPort-to-DVI adapters, one DVI and one HDMI connection (taking the hub out of the picture).

 

[joevt]

I didn't get very far with this GPU at all. Using either a Dell UP2715K (dual-link DisplayPort) or an IBM "Bertha" T221 (quad-link DVI), as soon as I enable any output on the MST hub, the system basically freezes. Tests with less "crazy" monitors will follow, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Even a single output? macOS should support MST hubs for single tile displays at least. While macOS doesn't support MST for multiple displays, it can use MST for old dual tile 4K displays (but I think this feature might be gone in Apple Silicon Macs). macOS can also use DisplayPort MST hub to convert DisplayPort signals between fast/narrow and slow/wide links. For example, some adapters that are limited to 4 lane HBR cannot perform at full bandwidth when connected to 2 lane HBR2 unless there's an MST hub.

I don't think macOS can do MST for multi tile displays that are not 4K, which is probably why you were trying Ubuntu. I would redo all the tests using Windows.

I don't think Nvidia macOS drivers support multi-tile displays that are not the Dell UP2715K. A hack is required for LG UltraFine 5K.

First, the Dell UP2715K. It requires two discrete DisplayPort 1.2 connections for full 5120×2880 resolution even at 30 Hz refresh (which can technically be pushed over a single connection).

It wasn't clear from your original post if you were using one or two connections from the NVS 510 to get 5K 34.5Hz.
Can't Kepler do 4K60? My GTX680 Mac Edition can, after creating a custom 4K60 CVT-RB mode, turning off the display and turning it on again (tested using a Dell P2415Q with El Capitan because I'm still testing AllRez changes for every macOS version). If so, then shouldn't it be able to do 5K60 using two DisplayPort connections? My GTX680 only has one DisplayPort connector.

Well... nope. After setting both outputs to 2560×2880 at 30 Hz, the best I got was one 2560×2880 image stretched to fill the entire screen.

Unlike the Dell UP3218K, the Dell UP2715K will not accept two discrete half width DisplayPort connections - they need to be synced otherwise the display goes crazy.

For the RX460, you should try a DisplayPort 1.4 MST hub since it can support HBR3 input.

 

[Amethyst1]

Even a single output?

I've just tried a 1080p display (Wacom Cintiq 13HD). This one works fine from the hub in both OS X 10.9.5 and Ubuntu 22.04.2. No freezes. I haven't tried multiple "normal" displays in Ubuntu yet.

macOS should support MST hubs for single tile displays at least.

It works with the Cintiq, but not with the IBM T221. It's recognised and OS X reports 3840×2400 at ≈13 Hz (which works fine without the hub) but the display is black.

I don't think macOS can do MST for multi tile displays that are not 4K, which is probably why you were trying Ubuntu. I would redo all the tests using Windows.

It's also possible that the proprietary drivers for the GPUs make a difference, so I may give them a try as well.

It wasn't clear from your original post if you were using one or two connections from the NVS 510 to get 5K 34.5Hz.

I used one connection from the NVS 510 to the Iiyama XB2779QQS, which is a single-tile HBR3 5K60 8bpc display.
It also accepts two discrete 2560×2880@60Hz signals via PBP. I used that to drive it from an Iris Pro 5200.

Can't Kepler do 4K60?

Yup.

If so, then shouldn't it be able to do 5K60 using two DisplayPort connections?

Yup, I initially used the NVS 510 to run the Dell UP2715K, but the mouse cursor bug in macOS was too annoying so I switched to the RX 460.

For the RX460, you should try a DisplayPort 1.4 MST hub since it can support HBR3 input.

Definitely, but shouldn't 5K30 8bpc RGB theoretically work using a DisplayPort 1.2 MST hub, using HBR2×4 input? That's what I was/am trying to find out, even though it might not be very useful.

Unlike the Dell UP3218K, the Dell UP2715K will not accept two discrete half width DisplayPort connections - they need to be synced otherwise the display goes crazy.

Yup. Connecting the UP2715K's two cables to the RX 460 and selecting 2560×2880@60Hz for both outputs is enough to get a stable picture in Ubuntu 22.04 so it knows how to sync the outputs.

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I also tried the Matrox DualHead2Go Digital ME, which I previously talked about here. It uses an IDT "ViewXpand" VMM1402 chipset (no MST, so it's compatible with OS X)...

...and it works just fine with the IBM T221. I can get 3840×1918 [split into 2× 1920×1918] at ≈42 Hz CVT-RB (328.56 MHz pixel clock) from it. Taller modes result in a black screen even at lower widths, so do higher refresh rates at 3840×1918 (exceeding 330 MHz pixel clock probably results in it trying to push >165 MHz to each of the T221's single-link DVI inputs). This means I should be able to drive the T221 at 3840×2400@48Hz using two of these in OS X.

 

[joevt]

I used one connection from the NVS 510 to the Iiyama XB2779QQS, which is a single-tile HBR3 5K60 8bpc display.

Oh right. I didn't see that the 5K 34.5Hz was obtained on a display that is not that Dell UP2715K. Hence my subsequent questions about why you were only able to get 34.5Hz.

Definitely, but shouldn't 5K30 8bpc RGB theoretically work using a DisplayPort 1.2 MST hub, using HBR2×4 input? That's what I was/am trying to find out, even though it might not be very useful.

Possibly. These are the two modess:

    DTD:  2560x2880   29.986961 Hz  16:9     87.592 kHz    238.250000 MHz (aspect 16:9, no 3D stereo)
               Hfront   48 Hsync  32 Hback   80 Hpol P
               Vfront    3 Vsync  10 Vback   28 Vpol N
    DTD:  2560x2880   59.981580 Hz  16:9    177.665 kHz    483.250000 MHz (aspect 16:9, no 3D stereo)
               Hfront   48 Hsync  32 Hback   80 Hpol P
               Vfront    3 Vsync  10 Vback   69 Vpol N

The first one x2 is 476.5 MHz total which should actually allow 10bpc but MST may add some overhead. I suppose the thing to try is two separate displays at 238.25 MHz. Or try the Iiyama PBP mode.

Maybe it doesn't try dual tile at 30Hz when it sees the same tiles at 60Hz.

Yup. Connecting the UP2715K's two cables to the RX 460 and selecting 2560×2880@60Hz for both outputs is enough to get a stable picture in Ubuntu 22.04 so it knows how to sync the outputs.

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I also tried the Matrox DualHead2Go Digital ME, which I previously talked about here. It uses an IDT "ViewXpand" VMM1402 chipset (no MST, so it's compatible with OS X)...

I wonder if something like the Matrox DualHead2Go Digital ME would work with the UP2715K since the output signals might have the necessary synchronization but I don't think anyone has anything that can split 5120x2880 into two 2560x2880 tiles.

ViewExpand is old. Only supports HBR link rate. We need something that can support HBR3 + DSC to support displays like the Dell UP3218K (though macOS now has support for 8K60 of the UP3218K) or video walls with higher resolution.

 

[Amethyst1]

The first one x2 is 476.5 MHz total which should actually allow 10bpc but MST may add some overhead. I suppose the thing to try is two separate displays at 238.25 MHz.

I just did that with my two MateViews. 2× 2560×2880@30Hz (238.25 MHz CVT-RB) works great from the hub in Ubuntu. Using the GTX 660, the UI gets very sluggish and glitchy though. No such issues with the RX 460.

Or try the Iiyama PBP mode.

I no longer have the Iiyama. I only played with it for a few days to try the things I documented in the other thread, then returned it. It also had lots of stuck pixels that would have prevented me from keeping it anyway.

I wonder if something like the Matrox DualHead2Go Digital ME would work with the UP2715K since the output signals might have the necessary synchronization but I don't think anyone has anything that can split 5120x2880 into two 2560x2880 tiles.

The Matrox QuadHead2Go is said to handle up to "8K×8K" input but there's no public details on that. The documentation lists possible setups using a maximum of four 1920×1080 monitors per unit. It's limited to HBR2 so it wouldn't do 5K60 at 8 or 10bpc RGB anyway.

We need something that can support HBR3 + DSC to support displays like the Dell UP3218K (though macOS now has support for 8K60 of the UP3218K) or video walls with higher resolution.

Remembering this thread, I had a look at some of those cheap "4K" video wall boxes on Amazon. They only take 4K30 (HDMI 1.4) input. Fail.

 

[Slix]

Last night I got a new (used) desk for my basement and finally hooked back up my 2007 Mac Pro. I put in the ATI Radeon 5770 graphics card in that I got a few weeks back finally too. I tried out some basic web browsing using Interweb, and YouTube played like a dream! 1080p without any buffering, loading quickly and smoothly. It makes sense, I put 32GB of RAM in this thing last year.

 

[VirtuallyInsane]

Today I made a temporary podcasting booth in my bookcase and put my MacBook and Microphone in there.

And if you’re wondering where the books went, they’re being used as a table until I sort them all out and get a proper table to fill the space between my desk and my bookcase.

(Of course, my Windows Laptop is updating... as usual...)

 

[TheShortTimer]

Books make excellent tables, as I've also discovered.

 

[B S Magnet]

And if you’re wondering where the books went, they’re being used as a table until I sort them all out and get a proper table to fill the space between my desk and my bookcase.

This definitely beats when someone says or writes, “And if you’re wondering where the books went, well hell, I don’t have many books lying around!”

With no sense of irony, someone recently visited my home along with my friend (the latter has been over many times and is a Ph.D. candidate at her university), saw my book case with books, and said, “I don’t really have any books in my house.” This kind of surprisied me to hear, given their station in life, so I started to reply, “Reading is…” They cut me off, saying, “Reading is fun-damental, yah yah…” and I was all, “No, what I was saying is reading is a whole thing. Powerful stuff.”

Anyway, nice rig setup, especially with that mic.

 

[joevt]

The Matrox QuadHead2Go is said to handle up to "8K×8K" input but there's no public details on that. The documentation lists possible setups using a maximum of four 1920×1080 monitors per unit. It's limited to HBR2 so it wouldn't do 5K60 at 8 or 10bpc RGB anyway.

Right. It will accept 3840x2160 inputs. If you try to increase the width, you must decrease the height and vice versa so you can't get it to accept 5120x2880 at least from looking at their examples.

 

[VirtuallyInsane]

Books make excellent tables, as I've also discovered.

Definitely I also used a book to prop up the iMac G5 keyboard and make it not slippy. Books are more useful than what people give them credit for.

This definitely beats when someone says or writes, “And if you’re wondering where the books went, well hell, I don’t have many books lying around!”

With no sense of irony, someone recently visited my home along with my friend (the latter has been over many times and is a Ph.D. candidate at her university), saw my book case with books, and said, “I don’t really have any books in my house.” This kind of surprisied me to hear, given their station in life, so I started to reply, “Reading is…” They cut me off, saying, “Reading is fun-damental, yah yah…” and I was all, “No, what I was saying is reading is a whole thing. Powerful stuff.”

Anyway, nice rig setup, especially with that mic.

Haha, yeah I agree. I need to get through most of them and rate them all/review them on Goodreads lol. Signed up for a reading challenge there too.

Interesting that a Ph.D candidate doesn't have many books in their house, but then again, my Aunt's an art teacher and she has a small, random bunch of popular books in their lounge and that's about it.

Reading *is* a whole thing, yes! A lot of people think that reading is a boring chore of consuming words too, but it's so much more than that. It's all about making connections too and fuelling your imagination. Expanding your vocabulary--I could go on but I won't.

Thanks, I'm planning to use it soon and make some podcasts, or music or something. I have a copy of Audacity sitting there doing nothing, going "USE ME PLS!" And the fact that it's in the middle part of a bookshelf and I have to stand up to use it, will make sure that I don't sit down the whole afternoon, lol.

 

[B S Magnet]

Interesting that a Ph.D candidate doesn't have many books in their house, but then again, my Aunt's an art teacher and she has a small, random bunch of popular books in their lounge and that's about it.

No, no… it wasn’t her, the Ph.D candidate, who didn’t have books (on the contrary, she has plenty of books). It was the friend she brought over who didn’t keep many books around.

Reading *is* a whole thing, yes! A lot of people think that reading is a boring chore of consuming words too, but it's so much more than that. It's all about making connections too and fuelling your imagination. Expanding your vocabulary--I could go on but I won't.

No, no… please do!

 

[TheShortTimer]

No, no… it wasn’t her, the Ph.D candidate, who didn’t have books (on the contrary, she has plenty of books). It was the friend she brought over who didn’t keep many books around.

I have thousands - some shelved, many either piled high, boxed or in crates. They range across various genres and encompass material related to intellectual interest, personal development, academic literature and light reading for sheer pleasure. Many of them I bought by the bag-load from thrift stores and other similar places where bargains can be had, many I bought online from eBay, many were purchased at the full whack from book-stores and many were donated to me.

For example, when the campus for my alma mater closed down, a senior librarian invited me to pick through the library racks and take whatever I wanted: for free. In the end I went home with about 500 titles, plus journals and other publications stacked up in the van of an older sibling who watched with astonishment as I made endless trips in and out of the library with a book trolley. I later found 30 duplicates among the collection and gifted them to my dad when he made a short visit to the UK and he took them back with him to the Caribbean to enjoy.

When I eventually move to a larger home, I plan to convert one room into a study and I'll shelve everything in there and photograph the lot and also check which titles are out of print and scan them so that they can be made available electronically.

A lot of people think that reading is a boring chore of consuming words too, but it's so much more than that. It's all about making connections too and fuelling your imagination.

In all brutal frankness, anyone who thinks that needs to be avoided for the sake of our sanity. I'm not expecting people to possess a book collection on my scale but if they regard reading as a boring chore then there's little scope for me to engage with them on any level that's constructive and beneficial.

Expanding your vocabulary--I could go on but I won't.

 

[eyoungren]

Used my MP to buy a 23" Cinema Display off eBay for $40. It's got heavy scratches, but that's okay - it would replace my non-functional one and simply be used for windows/palettes. Just like the old one.

Comes with an HDMI adapter and only $13 shipping!

Here's the best part though! The seller is in Mesa, AZ. Free local pickup. That's 20-25 minutes away for me, LOL!!!!!!

 

[theMarble]

it would replace my non-functional one and simply be used for windows/palettes.

That was the one with the probably dead logic board right?

Here's the best part though! The seller is in Mesa, AZ. Free local pickup. That's 20-25 minutes away for me, LOL!!!!!!

That's actually really good all things considered. I've heard of people driving hours to pick up some old computer stuff.

So does this mean you now have 7 monitors or is it still 6?