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Would you consider switching to Windows?

  • Yes

    Votes: 51 27.7%
  • No

    Votes: 133 72.3%

  • Total voters
    184
1. Intrusive updates. Eventually I'll be forced to update the computer, even if I don't want to.
2. Lack of long filename and file path support. A file name and file path total characters can be 256 characters; anything longer gets rejected.
3. Privacy policy. I want as little information as possible sent out from my computer
4. Advertisements on the operating system. I don't want to see advertisements on a computer I brought using legally purchased software.
 
I'm probably odd in that I actually liked Windows Vista...but let's roll back in time. The first computer I used was an Apple II, probably about 1979 or 1980. The first version of Windows I used was actually 3.0, way back in 1990 when I got my first PC in college (I'm old). I liked it, it but 3.1 and then 3.11 were way better. In 1993 I was exposed to Macs in grad school; some of the genetics programs I used then were only available on the Mac. I also got to dabble with a NeXT computer in 1993 that belonged to a lab mate, and by 1994 I had dumped Windows the first time and was using OS/2 Warp for my personal computer and Macs in the grad school labs. 1994 was also when I set up my first web server and built my first website. I dabbled in UNIX at that time as well. By 1996 I was doing so much technology work as part of my grad work that I ended up doing consulting on the side...which turned into an IT business and I left grad school as an ABD.

The business was all Windows-based, and we were all in on Windows NT 3.51 and NT 4.0. I actually had NT running on a MIPS machine, a couple of Power PC's (including the amazing IBM Power 820 laptop) and several Digital Alphas. The Alphas were ridiculously fast at some tasks; in the early days of the SETI@Home project I had a score in the top 100 or so globally because of one DEC Alpha box I had that just cranked through those data sets. I dabbled in operating systems, trying out and loving the short-lived BeOS (I still have the original box, install media and manuals somewhere). The business though was all Windows, and those were dark days in the Mac world anyway.

I merged my consulting business (which had grown to a nice regional business) into a large national business in the early 2000's and within short order ended up as CIO responsible for several thousand PC's spread around the US. Those were the days of XP and it was quite frankly abominable for so many reasons. Enter Vista. We were an early adopter and I and my IT team mostly loved it when compared to XP, at least for our mobile workforce. At that time we had switched most of the business to Citrix, so the PC's in the offices were essentially all dumb terminals anyway. I actually spoke at one of the big Microsoft annual conferences, as a guest of Microsoft, on Vista migration.

Vista had warts, but Windows 7 addressed most of them and I and my team loved it. I moved on to another business, a multinational at that point but in between there I had been wooed back to Apple. I hated the garish iMacs, but the change to Intel processors and the beautiful 2006 aluminum MacBook Pro's lured me in. I bought one just to run Windows...but I let OS X on it just to fiddle around and have fun. Over a few months I found that when I wasn't at work, I really preferred using OS X just for something different.

It was more hardware that pulled me fully over. After the Mac Book Pro, it was the aluminum Cinema Displays, and then the original Intel Mac Pro. By the time 2007 rolled around, I was now using OS X almost exclusively at home, even though my career was all Windows. With the iPhone release and then iPad, integration got tighter across the devices and OS X, and OS X really matured. I started using it even at work in 2008 and by 2010 we had changed corporate policy to allow Macs. It started because a number of my IT were using them for the UNIX base, and we ultimately found that the power users who had Mac Book Pros required less support than most of the Windows users.

I still used Windows 7 for the things I had that didn't work on the Mac OS but by 2012 that list was getting very short as most vendors released OS X versions of apps and OS X drivers for any of the add-on hardware I was interested in. We stayed on Windows 7 for corporate use because frankly Windows 8 and 8.1 were just terrible, and not corporate products at all. I found them nearly unusable.

Fast forward to today. I ditched the corporate world in late 2012 after a lost decade and a half, and I started another business. I am able to use my Macs for business and personal use, with the exception of one application I use in a VM, and one CAD app one of my employees has to use on Windows. Windows 10 is definitely better than Windows 8, but oddly it feels more half-baked than Windows 7 did. The mix of old and new UI for elements is jarring and discontinuous and I don't like the way they've organized apps, etc. in the start menu. I end up hacking it back to a more usable form closer to the Windows 7 UI. Drivers are an issue...still...just like way back 30 years ago. The CAD app regularly has issues with the Nvidia driver settings, so a Windows update or an Nvidia update will frequently crap up the app. I'd get a better one but it's an industry specific add-on layer to Rhino that doesn't have a real competitor, so we're stuck.

The fact that the UI is still so disjointed at this point is a testament to the lack of focus on usability at Microsoft, and the driver problems are a function of trying to make an OS that can work with anything. I can't fault MS for that per se, but it's a trade off that has repercussions that I frankly find annoying and I'm happy to pay more for a closed ecosystem that avoids the bulk of those issues.

I'm not wedded to Apple, but so far no one has come along and tried to make life as simple and integrated as they do. At year end I got myself a new Mac Pro 7,1 and a new HP Z workstation for my one employee. The difference in the experience setting both up was like night and day. At the end of the day, both work to get work done, but the Mac Pro side has been so much more seamless and smooth. Those are the reasons I won't switch to Windows any time soon.
 
1. Intrusive updates. Eventually I'll be forced to update the computer, even if I don't want to.
2. Lack of long filename and file path support. A file name and file path total characters can be 256 characters; anything longer gets rejected.
3. Privacy policy. I want as little information as possible sent out from my computer
4. Advertisements on the operating system. I don't want to see advertisements on a computer I brought using legally purchased software.

All of these are totally valid gripes to have about Win10 - actually, I agree wholeheartedly with them.

However, with no exceptions all of these are fixable in about 10 minutes. You can completely stop updates via Group Policy, you can introduce long path names with the appropriate Registry key (LongPathsEnabled 1), you can turn off all the Cortana phone-home nonsense, and you can completely remove all ads (ugh).

It's absurd you have to do it in the first place, but it's completely manageable even for a Windows novice to fix all of these particular issues, and quickly.
 
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The only thing I like about Windows (and hate that macOS doesn't have it) is DirectX 12 for playing games. Under macOS if the game is not running on Metal 2 and well optimized it runs horribly bad even on top specced hardware. But while in Bootcamp I try to evade everything else and just double click on game icon. MacOS is simpy more intuitive and smoother to use.
 
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We just had a PC die in the office so I had to set up a new one to replace it running a summa cutter. Its been a big shock to me going from an XP machine to windows 10. Its horrible, they make it really hard to set up without an email address (well not obvious), all the OS wants to do is send me targeted add's (judging by the setup info) then getting simple things like startup programs (used to drop in a startup folder on the menu bar) now takes 2 typed in commands to make the folder appear (and a google search on how to do it) everything just seems to take 2 or 3 more processes to accomplish the same task in XP. Its all running ok now and no more issues but I wouldn't like to use it to do all my tasks, ill stick with my Mac Pro.
 
Some people just can't grok the interface. When I jumped from OS/2 to OSX, it took me nearly a year to get used to the UI.
At the end of the day, it is a poor craftsman that blames their tools.

Well if it's that analogy it's that the hammer handle is covered in spikes.

It's not about blame. It's very specific things to each person.

For me it's all about workflow:
No single interface menu. Each app has it's own contained menu. This is probably the number 1 reason. In Mac you know where every File / Edit menu is... Top Left of the screen ( or both/all if you want in dual screen) On Windows it's a crapshoot. It doesn't matter too much for single screen users but I have 3 screens and it's not goo.
Lack of system wide Keyboard shortcuts
Missing thumbnails on so many filetypes...even with correct apps installed.
2 different interfaces in the system - Metro and classic.
Indecipherable Error codes
Adverts!!
No Quicklook - all the apps that copy it on Win10 are terrible.
MacOS is fully itergrated with my other Apple devices. Continuity - Start on one and pick up instantly on another device.
Bundled Windows apps are shocking compared to MacOS
Font Handling is terrible in Windows.
Even things Windows have copied like Task View (spaces/expose) are just not as slick.
 
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A number of posts have been removed due to bickering. Please stay on topic.
 
1. Intrusive updates. Eventually I'll be forced to update the computer, even if I don't want to.
2. Lack of long filename and file path support. A file name and file path total characters can be 256 characters; anything longer gets rejected.
3. Privacy policy. I want as little information as possible sent out from my computer
4. Advertisements on the operating system. I don't want to see advertisements on a computer I brought using legally purchased software.
Item two was resolved with the Anniversary Update of Windows 10 (released August 2016). The ability to use > 260 characters wasn't enabled by default as applications have to support it too. Given it's been over three years since this limitation was removed it's likely any modern application has been updated to be able to use it.

For the fourth item can you expand upon that? I'm not sure what advertisements you're referring to.
 
We just had a PC die in the office so I had to set up a new one to replace it running a summa cutter. Its been a big shock to me going from an XP machine to windows 10. Its horrible, they make it really hard to set up without an email address (well not obvious), all the OS wants to do is send me targeted add's (judging by the setup info) then getting simple things like startup programs (used to drop in a startup folder on the menu bar) now takes 2 typed in commands to make the folder appear (and a google search on how to do it) everything just seems to take 2 or 3 more processes to accomplish the same task in XP. Its all running ok now and no more issues but I wouldn't like to use it to do all my tasks, ill stick with my Mac Pro.
This I agree with, it's ridiculous how Microsoft has hidden this.
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Some people just can't grok the interface. When I jumped from OS/2 to OSX, it took me nearly a year to get used to the UI.
This is a perfectly valid reason to not want to use Windows (or any other OS for that matter). Personal preference issues are completely acceptable and I would never challenge anyone on them.

Where I take issue is when people, who are obviously unfamiliar with Windows, fault it for issues it does not have. It's obvious to spot people who whip out their TeachText list of Windows issues and copy and paste into their response. Other times it's people who have used a modern version of Windows and fault it for issues it used to have (the most recent example is file and path name length > 256 characters, resolved over three years ago).

If people just don't like Windows that's their right but they need to stop spreading misinformation based on their lack of familiarity with it.
 
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and fault it for issues it used to have (the most recent example is file and path name length > 256 characters, resolved over three years ago).

If people just don't like Windows that's their right but they need to stop spreading misinformation based on their lack of familiarity with it.

^ that just reminded me of *that guy* in the office who still bleats on about not liking Macs cos they only have one mouse button...
 
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^ that just reminded me of *that guy* in the office who still bleats on about not liking Macs cos they only have one mouse button...
I agree 100%. Too many ignorant PC users out there too.

IMO there are few technical reasons to prefer / avoid using any specific operating system. The market has matured and selection of a platform is primarily based on, in no specific order of priority, application availability, preference, established standards, manageability, etc. Occasionally there might be a technical reason but, IMO, they're not as prevalent as they used to be.
 
Try to have some heavy duty thing like a raytracer and some video encoder running on macOS, using all cores. The UI is still responsive while on Windows it’ll slow down. On Mac I can repeatedly have something Ike Maya open in the background, rendering while I can be fully productive, while on windows you need to make sure that you’re doing nothing else while rendering.

Have you tested this recently?

I've done CPU heavy tasks in Windows 10 and the UI was totally responsive too.
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I’ll use whatever to get the job done fast. In my case I’m using FCP which is really fast when it comes to exporting videos.

If Adobe Premier is as fast, I may switch to Windows mainly because of cheaper hardware. BUT Adobe is a monthly subscription and FCP is not so I’ve actually saved a lot of money with FCP over the years.

You should check DaVinci Resolve. It's as fast or faster than FCP in many tasks and totally blows Premiere out of the water.

It's also crossplatform and free.

 
Q = What is stopping you from using Windows ?

A = Microsoft .

I just don't think they're a very friendly company .

Actually , as a technician and sometimes gamer , I do run Windows . But I wish I didn't have to .
 
IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ!!!

Quick follow-up on the message that was sent out yesterday. This is all coming down in the past 24 hours as an extremely high priority from HQ IT regarding the Windows 10 flaw that the NSA announced two days ago: https://apnews.com/4e57a0cff03de2198a0cf7b12665132f

IT departments around the world are scrambling to address this ASAP. If you use Windows 10 at home you should notice the update has already been pushed out to home users and should be ready to go if you have automatic updates turned on. This only applies to Windows computers. Chromebooks, iPads, or Apple OS are not affected.
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I enjoy not getting emails about my Mac security like the one above re: Windows.
 
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