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In iTunes, there's option of Apple Losseless, WAV, etc.
What app do you have to use to rip in FLAC?
 
dBpoweramp. Try it, you can even import your CD's as uncompressed FLAC. XLD is good, but you have to configure a lot of stuff, and it doesn't have nearly the amount of options dBpoweramp has.
 
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I searched dBpoweramp and I see that it's about $40 for single user, and $70 for family pack (install on 5 Macs).

Is there a free program that is as good as this one for Windows?

(Just wondering if it's the Mac that requires buying stuff and if free options are available on Windows).

Also if you want to rip it as ALAC first, but want to convert it to uncompressed FLAC later on, is that possible?
 
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You can rip to both formats simultaneously. But yeah, it is a piece of cake to convert later.
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Free program for Windows would be Exact Audio Copy. Hard to set up, nowhere near as fast as dBpoweramp, nowhere near as polished and functional. Also XLD is free for the Mac, but I found it lacking.
 
I just tried dBpoweramp, and the first time I did it it showed everything as inaccurate. So I changed the setting to "secure" which fixes inaccuracies but makes the burning slower. And this time it got stuck on the first track, saying "Re-Rip [37433 frames]" for Rip Status.

I just noticed that the number goes down only 1 or 2 frames each few minutes. When I did the math it might take a whole month non-stop to burn a single track in the CD.

On dBpoweramp forum I read:

"My experience has been that most external drives are not very good. Besides accuracy problems, most are slow. When ripping to my laptop, I use an "internal" drive with an external SATA power supply and a SATA to USB converter. Works well."

I'm using a Pioneer drive. Does that writer mean that you can make external drive operate like an internal drive if you add an external power supply?
 
I use an external Pioneer drive as well, however it is connected via USB-C, so power delivery has not been a problem.
It is this one:


However, I recommend this one:




I am not sure what is causing the issue you are having.
 
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Another thing is it has different levels of lossless with the top one being uncompressed lossless. If you do the least lossless, can you convert it later to uncompressed lossless and get a boost in quality?
 
Another thing is it has different levels of lossless with the top one being uncompressed lossless. If you do the least lossless, can you convert it later to uncompressed lossless and get a boost in quality?

No, I don't think so.
 
I searched dBpoweramp and I see that it's about $40 for single user, and $70 for family pack (install on 5 Macs).

Is there a free program that is as good as this one for Windows?

(Just wondering if it's the Mac that requires buying stuff and if free options are available on Windows).

Also if you want to rip it as ALAC first, but want to convert it to uncompressed FLAC later on, is that possible?

You are not required to buy anything. ALAC is built-in for free. FLAC is a pain to use on a Mac, so why would you bother?
 
I read FLAC has better sound quality than ALAC.

If the audio bitrate of the FLAC and ALAC files is the same, then the quality should also be the same. I use ALAC files as to my ears they are excellent and are smaller than uncompressed files. The only way I can see ALAC files sounding inferior is if small timing errors were introduced during the decompression phase as the music was being played.
 
When I search ALAC and FLAC this is what I get:

"FLAC does edge out ALAC regarding sound quality. ALAC is 16-bit and FLAC is 24-bit encoding, and FLAC has a higher sampling rate. ALAC compares to CD quality, which is much better than most of your digital files. FLAC is closer to studio masters, according to the Society of Sound"
 
This is quite correct. I have a fairly high end HiFi and to my ears, I can’t tell the difference between CD quality and higher bitrate recordings. Sure, I expect there are some people who can, but for most people and music systems ALAC will be sufficient.

Many, many years back, I ripped my music to 128Kbps MP3 files to save space and soon regretted the lack of sound quality. The difference between FLAC and ALAC will be either inaudible or tiny depending on your ears and system. I would encourage you to experiment and see for yourself. There’s no right or wrong answer to this one, just personal choice.
 
But, here is a hires audio file, converted from the dsf using TASCAM Hi Res Editor, and then converted to Apple Lossless in iTunes.

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It's just for demonstration purposes, so I haven't filled in the album title, etc.

The Spectrum of the "losslesss file"

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and the spectrum of the original.

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(Cursor and Peak depend on the position of mouse cursor).

This tells me that the power spectrum is identical (at least by eye), and the apple lossless converter isn't applying some sort of low pass filter. My ears aren't good enough to discern a difference, and I'm not an audio engineer.
 
My experience has been that most external drives are not very good. Besides accuracy problems, most are slow. When ripping to my laptop, I use an "internal" drive with an external SATA power supply and a SATA to USB converter. Works well."

Nonsense. I rip CD's to ALAC with no problem using multiple external USB drives. None were "slow", other than being limited to the read speed of the drive (1x, 2x, 4x, etc.).

Another thing is it has different levels of lossless with the top one being uncompressed lossless. If you do the least lossless, can you convert it later to uncompressed lossless and get a boost in quality?

Different levels of lossless? Lossless is lossless. Infinity is Infinity, despite Toy Story's "To Infinity and Beyond!". Only conversion might be if you want to convert lossless it to lossy.
 
When I search ALAC and FLAC this is what I get:

"FLAC does edge out ALAC regarding sound quality. ALAC is 16-bit and FLAC is 24-bit encoding, and FLAC has a higher sampling rate. ALAC compares to CD quality, which is much better than most of your digital files. FLAC is closer to studio masters, according to the Society of Sound"

What geniuses. First, this thread is about importing music from CDs. The music is 16 bit, 44.1KHz. Using 24-bit encoding is just a waste of space, and using a different sample rate means the music is resampled (quality loss) before encoding.

Second, ALAC supports higher bit rates.
 
This is a thread straight out of 2004.

But I'll say that ALAC seems to be as good as any other lossless CODEC I've heard, but I'm happy with 256 AAC.
 
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When I search ALAC and FLAC this is what I get:

"FLAC does edge out ALAC regarding sound quality. ALAC is 16-bit and FLAC is 24-bit encoding, and FLAC has a higher sampling rate. ALAC compares to CD quality, which is much better than most of your digital files. FLAC is closer to studio masters, according to the Society of Sound"
Honestly, that advice is nonsense. You can't magically make 16 bit audio become 24 bit. ALAC and FLAC are both lossless formats and when ripping from a standard audio cd this will ALWAYS be 16 bit 44.1KHz. And how can you get a higher sampling rate from a 44.1KHz source? My music library is a mix of both ALAC and FLAC (depending on when I ripped it) and they are essentially exactly the same thing.
 
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What geniuses. First, this thread is about importing music from CDs. The music is 16 bit, 44.1KHz. Using 24-bit encoding is just a waste of space, and using a different sample rate means the music is resampled (quality loss) before encoding.

Second, ALAC supports higher bit rates.
Do you mean that not only 24 wouldn't make it better since the CD is made in 16, it would actually make it worse because of having to convert to 24?
 
Do you mean that not only 24 wouldn't make it better since the CD is made in 16, it would actually make it worse because of having to convert to 24?
I'm not 100% I follow sorry - but you cannot create 24bit content from a 16bit source. Anything you rip from a CD to a lossless format will be 16bit whether that is ALAC or FLAC. The line in that 'Society of Sound' thing around FLAC being 24bit just doest make any sense. It's only 24bit if the source is. ALAC files can be 24bit.

If you're happy using iTunes and/or only use Apple products, I would just rip them as Apple Lossless. FLAC will gain you nothing here and you can always convert from ALAC to FLAC in future if you absolutely need to.
 
There were a bunch of weird schemes for putting hires music onto a CD--

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Definition_Compatible_Digital
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Quality_Authenticated

as well as things that look like a CD, but aren't

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD

Each of those extensions could theoretically take advantage of the higher bitrate/higher sample rate-- but if your ripping process produces a 16 bit 44.1 Khz stereo waveform, that's what FLAC or ALAC will faithfully reproduce.
 
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