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Does Apple have a gun to your head?;)

In the end, Apple is banking on guys like me ("prosumer" who just wants everything to run a bit faster in a slick package) to pick up the slack for the disgruntled/abandoned "Pro" users.

But there is a BIG caveat...if they don't price it right then guys like me melt away, the "Pros" don't bite, and the whole thing becomes an epic fail. Guess we'll see tomorrow :D

I know who they're banking on. Unfortunately it's the wrong crowd. They're betting on a much more fickle demographic then they're accounting for.

That said, there was a review done recently of a Thunderbolt to multiple PCIe card enclosure. It shows that while it can be done in terms of form factor, it has some pretty severe limitations attached to it. Specifically in that review, literally cutting in half the capabilities of the Fusion IO PCIe SSD, so much so that it lost nearly 40% of it's usability when writing files for HD video production/streaming. You can imagine that putting a GPU in there would result in more severe limitations, as well as insufficient heat dissipation for anything but an entry to mid level GPU. And it's expensive at $900 by itself.

Apple might have better luck in overall sales figures by just making an OS X that will legitimately boot on PC hardware (UEFI only obviously) and getting their money there and from the iDevices. It's clearly not designing machines users want to keep (or can keep) running for years anymore.

The only way the prosumer group, which I'm also a part of, is going to go for the TrashCan Pro is if they put out a really good model comparable to what a 2010/12 MP can do at >3 GHz clock speed for less than $3k. If they can't do that, they can kiss a lot more customers goodbye than they'll gain.
 
Well I guess it's not today :( old mp still for sale..

Dude, relax — it's most certain that these new Mac Pros are going to get a more thorough introduction, a release date and some configuration price points today. Rumors from France said it's gonna be released on November 17th.

Even if it would be released today it will be after the event. :)
 
Pricing scheme nightmare

I wonder what the pricing scheme will look like. Remember stuff like this?

"Entry model starting at $7,995."
"Dual-processor configuration starting at $12,995."
"Nicely equipped starting at $24,995."

I'm so afraid that Apple will try this sort pricing scheme that I've faced before. The Mac Pro looks like a sweet system, if it doesn't have Octane pricing. Waiting impatiently for working models to start rolling off of the assembly line!
 
I'm guessing $2K as entry "get 'em in the door" model with things going up from there.

Base with 4 or 6 core, and a couple of cheapie FirePros.

You can't remove things and charge the same prices.

Somewhere in another thread a guy found a TB enclosure for 2 drives for "just" $200. I thought, great, for the 6 drives I can easily connect in my current MP for $0 I'll have to spend "just" $600. So, take out $300-500 for reduced ability to easily upgrade and you can start around $2K.

If they really want to set the world on fire, $1,500 would do it. Then they'll have interviews with Woz standing in line with the unwashed masses on launch day.
 
I'm guessing $2K as entry "get 'em in the door" model with things going up from there.

Base with 4 or 6 core, and a couple of cheapie FirePros.

You can't remove things and charge the same prices.

Somewhere in another thread a guy found a TB enclosure for 2 drives for "just" $200. I thought, great, for the 6 drives I can easily connect in my current MP for $0 I'll have to spend "just" $600. So, take out $300-500 for reduced ability to easily upgrade and you can start around $2K.

If they really want to set the world on fire, $1,500 would do it. Then they'll have interviews with Woz standing in line with the unwashed masses on launch day.

What are the chances of third party custom-shaped GPUs? When the second MBA got released, it featured an odd SATA connector, and now there are 3rd party offerings.

Seriously, if it's $1500, they will sell like crazy, but chances are they will start at $2200 or $2500 plus, as you said, all the thingies that connect to it.

The upside is, it's so small, I can buy one in the US and bring it with me back to Europe in my luggage, which was hardly feasible with the previous one! :D
 
The size and price of newer HDDs and the price of TB enclosures becoming so inexpensive make the new MacPro seem affordable, in fact desirable, at a base price of $1999. $2299 wouldn't be so bad either. You can also use an old Mac as an external drive/server via ethernet. Those sub-$300 1,1s are actually inexpensive (albeit slow) drive casings for newer Macs.
 
Less than 5 hours to go, crossing everything for a great price. :D

It would be very telling if Apple released the nMP at an iPad event. :D

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What are the chances of third party custom-shaped GPUs?

Very close to zero, if history is any guide. Most likely, the only upgrades you'll get will have to be released by Apple, and their record is abysmal.
 
Somewhere in another thread a guy found a TB enclosure for 2 drives for "just" $200. I thought, great, for the 6 drives I can easily connect in my current MP for $0 I'll have to spend "just" $600. So, take out $300-500 for reduced ability to easily upgrade and you can start around $2K.

Hey, don't you know? Most professionals use 10-drive RAID 10 setups on NAS! Apple did you a favor by eliminating choices! /s

Personally, I use a PCIe eSATA card (Which you could get for <$100) to run my array, so clearly my bandwidth requirements are low. However, for the high-end, the nMP is a turd (numbers backed up by VirtualRain). For comparison, I posted an example of an inexpensive solution existing MP users can utilize which has 15 drives and more bandwidth than all the nMP's ports combined--and you still have room for a PCIe16x GPU and two 4x PCIe cards (for your PCIe SSD etc).
 
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It would be very telling if Apple released the nMP at an iPad event. :D

Not really. Apple hasn't released hardly anything all year before September.

Today this story popped up:

https://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/2...push-notifications-ahead-of-mavericks-launch/


Mavericks is probably launching today (if not in a day or so.). The most popular Mac class , MBP, hasn't seen refresh this year. The Mac mini along with the Mac Pro is overdue also. Most of the whole Mac product line up is stale at this point.


The theme of 'We still have a lot to cover " is all to real in terms of what they didn't do during most of 2013.
 
I'm guessing $2K as entry "get 'em in the door" model with things going up from there.

Base with 4 or 6 core, and a couple of cheapie FirePros.

Negating somewhat the 80-100% mark-up on FirePros would be far more effective that gutting the GPUs (e.g., W5000 class ). Worse than iMac BTO graphics isn't going to help differentiate at a $2K price point where the iMac is delivering better graphics (at least on apps that use just one). Additionally, with the likely limited upgrade paths, gutted GPUs doesn't really get anywhere other than increased iMac fraticide.



You can't remove things and charge the same prices.

If that is what they had done. They didn't. Some things were swapped out and others swapped in. If drop 2GB of RAM and replace a 1TB HDD with a 1TB SDD the price isn't going to be the same.




Somewhere in another thread a guy found a TB enclosure for 2 drives for "just" $200. I thought, great, for the 6 drives I can easily connect in my current MP for $0 I'll have to spend "just" $600. So, take out $300-500 for reduced ability to easily upgrade and you can start around $2K.

There is about 3x the disk throughput with 3 devices as opposed to the older Mac Pro. In the example above buying 3 SATA controllers. The current MP drive bays are just hooked to one.

If as much effort was spent in lobbying for single controller (no RAID) , 4-6 sled devices as much as hammering on these Apples to Oranges comparisons there might be more solutions on the market at this point.

If they really want to set the world on fire, $1,500 would do it.

They could offer everyone on the planet a $5 bonus too. That would create lines too.
 
Negating somewhat the 80-100% mark-up on FirePros would be far more effective that gutting the GPUs (e.g., W5000 class ). Worse than iMac BTO graphics isn't going to help differentiate at a $2K price point where the iMac is delivering better graphics (at least on apps that use just one). Additionally, with the likely limited upgrade paths, gutted GPUs doesn't really get anywhere other than increased iMac fraticide.





If that is what they had done. They didn't. Some things were swapped out and others swapped in. If drop 2GB of RAM and replace a 1TB HDD with a 1TB SDD the price isn't going to be the same.






There is about 3x the disk throughput with 3 devices as opposed to the older Mac Pro. In the example above buying 3 SATA controllers. The current MP drive bays are just hooked to one.

If as much effort was spent in lobbying for single controller (no RAID) , 4-6 sled devices as much as hammering on these Apples to Oranges comparisons there might be more solutions on the market at this point.



They could offer everyone on the planet a $5 bonus too. That would create lines too.

Another 1000 word essay.

Thanks.

You 100% missed what I was actually getting at though. You saw the words and missed the meaning.

But $3K for a 4 core machine with 256gb of storage made my point better than I ever could have.
 
What are the chances of third party custom-shaped GPUs?

I think zero.

Even with the noticeable price markups for Mac video cards, manufacturers could hardly ever be bothered to even make an EFI BIOS on an existing reference design. A whole new physical design dramatically adds to the work required for a small market they didn't seem to really chase anyway.

Or, if I'm wrong, and there are third party boards, I imagine the price differential to PC cards will be even higher than they are now.

You 100% missed what I was actually getting at though. You saw the words and missed the meaning.

That's very typical of his arguments. I can deal with everyone else disagreeing with me, but he just misses the point over and over and over again. I can't even stand him when I'm on his side.

Adding him to my ignore list has made this forum much better for me.
 
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$3000 for the entry level TrashCan Pro. Using gimped D300 FirePros, pitiful primary storage (even if it is an SSD), and you still have to pay for enclosures for your once-internal guts.

Looks like I was pretty much on the money on this one.

Hackwell Pro. For. The. WIN.

I get to keep my internals inside, and get a vacation with the money I saved on both ends of the "adaptation" pendulum. Apple finally found a way to gracefully (sic) kill off the Mac Pro.

But hey, Mavericks is free, right?
 
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