Aww thats great but I want to get rid of my hotmail address and have my iTunes receipts go to my me.com address how do I do that?
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What is the point of iCloud.com, really?
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Aww thats great but I want to get rid of my hotmail address and have my iTunes receipts go to my me.com address how do I do that?
I think where some people are questioning the value is people who already used gmail. They already had the same thing. And for the instances where they didn't (iOS apps) that isn't really part of iCloud.
I'm struggling with myself since I've had a gmail address for about 10 years. My mail, contacts and calendar already sync across my laptop, PC, iPhone and iPad and I have a web interface for when I'm not at a personal device of mine.
So the only way to take advantage of iCloud is to abandon my gmail account. If I turn on iCloud, my iPhone tells me it will turn off synchronizing certain things like my gmail address book. So now I still sync between my home PCs, my iDevices, and a web interface for my contacts, but I lose the incentive to use gmail at that point. That's a problem because 1) everyone from the last 10 years has that email and 2) from what I can tell, iCloud has no ability to pull in other email via POP3 or IMAP like gmail does. My main gmail account "checks" mail for 4 other accounts.
Am I missing something????
Launch iTunes, log in, and do the following (from Apple):
You can change your Apple ID, password, or personal information at the My Apple ID page by clicking the "Manage your account" link at any time. Changes you make to your Apple ID account while you're in iTunes or the Mac App Store are also recognized by other applications where you use the same Apple Account (such as the Apple Online Store, MobileMe, or iPhoto). You may be asked to verify your information the next time you use your Apple ID to purchase something in another application.
BJ
But you cant have a me.com email address as your primary email address/apple ID... this was my point... I want my me.com email address as my one and only email address... but apple makes this impossible so their rival hotmail or gmail has to come into the equation.
imahawki I think where some people are questioning the value is people who already used gmail. They already had the same thing. And for the instances where they didn't (iOS apps) that isn't really part of iCloud.
I agree, and understand it's not so much trying to get older folks like you and me to abandon Google; it's that a) Google really was the default alternative for 80% of iPhone users and b) Apple can now go after the younger folks who won't own a PC and can in essence sign up for a "google account" just via iCloud. It's how Apple becomes the Google of mobile, if you will, just a few years down the road. Cutting Google off at the knees, rendering gmail and Google Calendar and Google Contacts as unnecessary to those buying a new iOS device.
I'm struggling with myself since I've had a gmail address for about 10 years. My mail, contacts and calendar already sync across my laptop, PC, iPhone and iPad and I have a web interface for when I'm not at a personal device of mine.
So the only way to take advantage of iCloud is to abandon my gmail account.
No, not at all. I use it only for the few features I need. Like Contacts (I want real-time wireless syncing which Yahoo didn't offer me), true Push Email (Google is fetch, has delays), Find My iPhone, Backup (useful in an emergency), Bookmarks (great across all devices), iMessage (free text), and that's it. The rest I use via Yahoo (primary email account), and Exchange (my work calendar and work email and tasks/reminders).
If I turn on iCloud, my iPhone tells me it will turn off synchronizing certain things like my gmail address book.
Within Settings > iCloud is the ability to turn off the apps you don't want it to use. So slide Contacts to "off" and it'll only use gmail contacts and not iCloud. Same for the other services.
So now I still sync between my home PCs, my iDevices, and a web interface for my contacts, but I lose the incentive to use gmail at that point. That's a problem because 1) everyone from the last 10 years has that email and 2) from what I can tell, iCloud has no ability to pull in other email via POP3 or IMAP like gmail does. My main gmail account "checks" mail for 4 other accounts.
Whoa, whoa, whoa....
1. Line-item-veto the apps you don't want iCloud to manage (see above) like Contacts. Shut 'em off in the iCloud settings.
2. Your iPhone can manage multiple email accounts. To you on your iPhone they'll all look the same and in one place in your iPhone Inbox. But to the outside world, nothing needs to change. You can use gmail and iCloud mail at the same time. I myself have 6 email accounts on my iPhone for this reason.
3. If you need gmail to pull in other email addreses in a PC web browser in POP or IMAP style, keep doing it, no need to stop.
Am I missing something????
Yes. You're missing the point that iCloud has some new features that you can take advantage of and some older features that you can completely opt-out of. It's not one or the other here. It's "both".
Use iCloud for the unique mobile things- iMessage, Backup, Bookmarks, and Find My iPhone. The breakthru wireless opportunities.
Use gmail for the things you've always used.
BJ
I agree, and understand it's not so much trying to get older folks like you and me to abandon Google; it's that a) Google really was the default alternative for 80% of iPhone users and b) Apple can now go after the younger folks who won't own a PC and can in essence sign up for a "google account" just via iCloud. It's how Apple becomes the Google of mobile, if you will, just a few years down the road. Cutting Google off at the knees, rendering gmail and Google Calendar and Google Contacts as unnecessary to those buying a new iOS device.
I'm struggling with myself since I've had a gmail address for about 10 years. My mail, contacts and calendar already sync across my laptop, PC, iPhone and iPad and I have a web interface for when I'm not at a personal device of mine.
So the only way to take advantage of iCloud is to abandon my gmail account.
No, not at all. I use it only for the few features I need. Like Contacts (I want real-time wireless syncing which Yahoo didn't offer me), true Push Email (Google is fetch, has delays), Find My iPhone, Backup (useful in an emergency), Bookmarks (great across all devices), iMessage (free text), and that's it. The rest I use via Yahoo (primary email account), and Exchange (my work calendar and work email and tasks/reminders).
If I turn on iCloud, my iPhone tells me it will turn off synchronizing certain things like my gmail address book.
Within Settings > iCloud is the ability to turn off the apps you don't want it to use. So slide Contacts to "off" and it'll only use gmail contacts and not iCloud. Same for the other services.
So now I still sync between my home PCs, my iDevices, and a web interface for my contacts, but I lose the incentive to use gmail at that point. That's a problem because 1) everyone from the last 10 years has that email and 2) from what I can tell, iCloud has no ability to pull in other email via POP3 or IMAP like gmail does. My main gmail account "checks" mail for 4 other accounts.
Whoa, whoa, whoa....
1. Line-item-veto the apps you don't want iCloud to manage (see above) like Contacts. Shut 'em off in the iCloud settings.
2. Your iPhone can manage multiple email accounts. To you on your iPhone they'll all look the same and in one place in your iPhone Inbox. But to the outside world, nothing needs to change. You can use gmail and iCloud mail at the same time. I myself have 6 email accounts on my iPhone for this reason.
3. If you need gmail to pull in other email addreses in a PC web browser in POP or IMAP style, keep doing it, no need to stop.
Am I missing something????
Yes. You're missing the point that iCloud has some new features that you can take advantage of and some older features that you can completely opt-out of. It's not one or the other here. It's "both".
Use iCloud for the unique mobile things- iMessage, Backup, Bookmarks, and Find My iPhone. The breakthru wireless opportunities.
Use gmail for the things you've always used.
BJ
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Thank you for the detailed response. Didn't mean to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I actually need to put some thought into what I do want in iCloud and what I want to leave with google. I wish there was a way to pull my gmail in via POP3/IMAP and then have my email responses go out through my iCloud account. That would at least allow for a transition. I'm actually not thrilled about the way google is using my data and and would like to move away ideally. Have to think about everything like I said.
I am rather disappointed with iCloud to be honest. It is my fault though as I expected too much.
I like the automatic changes of my addresses, etc...but that is it really
I like the automatic changes of my addresses, etc...but that is it really
How can you compare 5G of free backup to a $100 USB drive. I can buy an 8G USB memory stick for $9. That seems like a better comparison.
That's iCloud as a service. He's talking about iCloud.com. The website.
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Have you activated syncing of calendars and contacts?
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I don't think you understand... Apple is not offering MM anymore, but iCloud. Many of the features in MM and iCloud are the same. iCloud is not there to improve MM, but to replace it.
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What's the point in accessing web apps instead of using the apps included in the OS?
Not a waste at all. As of now I do not even use the Mail app because I have all my accounts in Gmail. However, at my job, it is much easier for me to have a window open with iCloud to update my calendar (I find this in itself to be the greatest thing). I am constantly updating my calendar with stuff and iCloud.com has made it so much easier. Also my contacts (at the moment) are not how I want them (ex. some things are labeled as "other" etc) and I am going through them and updating how I want them.
I think it is great.
You don't have to abandon anything if you don't want to. If people are using gmail and find that it works for them - why even consider switching to iCloud? But you can use the things in iCloud that Google doesn't offer, like automatic backups of your iDevices...
That's an easy question to answer. The point is for Apple to continue on it's quest for world domination. To seek even greater bragging rights and further control millions of people. It's working famously. Slowed only by some great disaster, this juggernaut is like a speeding train. It's got a lot of momentum and shows no signs of stopping.
Exactly.
Google and Facebook owe their entire mobile audience to the iPhone, so why should Apple let them have it?
Used to be, first thing you'd do when you got your iPhone is sync your gmail account and Google calendar and Google contacts to it. Now the iCloud screen comes up and intercepts new users.
Putting photos up on Facebook in realtime is a huge win for Facebook, generates lots of traffic. With PhotoStream Apple again intercepts those users, gives them an alternative.
Competition is a good thing, will keep Google and Facebook on their toes. What I'm impressed with is that unlike MobleMe, the iCloud features aren't me-too.....they're really well designed, very smoothly integrated, and have some breakthru technology too.
BJ
So I decided to take the plunge and move from mm to icloud. I followed the link from below the login details part of the mm sign in page. I verified my account in system preferences. Is that it - as in is that all i need to do?
will it let me sign in with either xxx@me.com or xxx@mac.com?
How can I force it to sync as the icon by the clock for mobileme sync doesn't work and I don't have any contacts showing up online in icloud??
will it let me sign in with either xxx@me.com or xxx@mac.com?
How can I force it to sync as the icon by the clock for mobileme sync doesn't work and I don't have any contacts showing up online in icloud??
I wish I hadn't, I use to like apple, now I wish I had never seen one, I have trouble getting on the net, my wifi printer does not work, I've lost all my doc's off my iPad, every time I go to check my mail I have to click to get it online, which can take up to 10 mins, and all this worked fantastic until I updated to ios5 and changed to iCloud, much more of this and it's all going in the bin.
KB
Wow, sounds like you need to schedule a trip to the Genius Bar. My experience updating two iOS devices to iOS 5 has been the complete opposite. It couldn't have been easier and both of my devices are running beautifully. Not to mention that iCloud on my iMac works seamlessly, too, and I haven't even had so much of a hiccup yet (except for a bug that seems to be affecting battery life on my iPad but not on my iPhone).
Yeah I was down the Apple shop today, things are looking a bit better, I'm calming down a bit down
KB
KB
i find the contacts thing useful, but the worst thing is Find My iPhone (or Mac, in my case). I mean, if i forget it somewhere, it might be useful. But if someone steals my mac, he can easily turn off the feature in system preferences, there's no password, nothing that prevents from changing the account, no security whatsoever.
Except the password needed to access the computer, you mean?
You could password protect your own account and leave the guest account unsecured so the thieves will be tempted to use the computer without wiping the hard drive, giving you time to find it?
Except the password needed to access the computer, you mean?
You could password protect your own account and leave the guest account unsecured so the thieves will be tempted to use the computer without wiping the hard drive, giving you time to find it?
ok, you got me. hadn't thought about this option. but anyway, a lock in the settings would be enough, and way more simple.
I think it serves a few purposes.
First, all the info is in the cloud right? Why not make it accessible to the end user? I'm sure as the service matures there will be more features added as well and this is just the foundation.
Second, for users on Windows PC's, it may not be as simple to integrate iCloud into their calendar and mail apps as it is for those of us using Macs. The website provides a simple interface to do just that.
It's not necessary for everyone, but I can see why people would use it.
First, all the info is in the cloud right? Why not make it accessible to the end user? I'm sure as the service matures there will be more features added as well and this is just the foundation.
Second, for users on Windows PC's, it may not be as simple to integrate iCloud into their calendar and mail apps as it is for those of us using Macs. The website provides a simple interface to do just that.
It's not necessary for everyone, but I can see why people would use it.