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nicolas_s

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Nov 22, 2020
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You already have 227 load cycles on a M1 device? :oops:
Yes, I bought it on release day :)

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elvisimprsntr

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Jul 17, 2013
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I let mine drop below 10% before plugging it in.

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Health Information:
  Cycle Count:    58
  Condition:    Normal
  Maximum Capacity:    100%
 

polee

macrumors 6502a
Jul 22, 2008
699
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Bought on January 2, 2021. 59 cycles at 93 percent.
 
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petterihiisila

macrumors 6502
Nov 7, 2010
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304
Finland
Bought 11 months ago. 100% according to Apple, fluctuates at 98% +- half percent according to Coconut. 59 cycles. This laptop is connected to power in clamshell model almost 24/7. Power provided via TB3 by LG 5k.

I've used AlDente (Pro) since January to keep the charge at around 80% and rarely push it to 100%. Based on the numbers above it could make a difference. I let it go down to 20% and back to 99% maybe once a month or two. Other than that, the intraday battery usage takes it from 80 to 60% or so, generally, one or few times a week.

I believe the main difference is to not push it to a 100% too often or for too long. I had an Intel 16" before this, and managed to bring it down to 90% health in a year with similar usage, but without AlDente. Apple's own battery optimization, released before the Summer of 2020, it never quite learned my habits and let the battery go to a 100 too often and for too long, with the 16".

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white7561

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Jun 28, 2016
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Bought 11 months ago. 100% according to Apple, fluctuates at 98% +- half percent according to Coconut. 59 cycles. This laptop is connected to power in clamshell model almost 24/7. Power provided via TB3 by LG 5k.

I've used AlDente (Pro) since January to keep the charge at around 80% and rarely push it to 100%. Based on the numbers above it could make a difference. I let it go down to 20% and back to 99% maybe once a month or two. Other than that, the intraday battery usage takes it from 80 to 60% or so, generally, one or few times a week.

I believe the main difference is to not push it to a 100% too often or for too long. I had an Intel 16" before this, and managed to bring it down to 90% health in a year with similar usage, but without AlDente. Apple's own battery optimization, released before the Summer of 2020, it never quite learned my habits and let the battery go to a 100 too often and for too long, with the 16".

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Yeah i wanted to wait for the new MBP support for AlDente before buying it. Idk if I should set it to 80% or lower. I wanted it to be 50% but idk I'm scared that if I need it charged ASAP (maybe because I need to go urgently without prior notice. Or say a power outage happened) i need to charge it ASAP and use as little energy as needed

So I've been thinking on just letting it go to 80% or 50% unless I want to use it without power.
 

VermontsFinest

macrumors 6502
Sep 16, 2020
375
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96% for me and I only have 40 cycles. I am less than pleased about this. I have contacted apple support and it doesn't seem like they are going to do anything about it.
Don't forget it is not just cycle count that depreciates a battery, but time as well.
 

petterihiisila

macrumors 6502
Nov 7, 2010
404
304
Finland
Yeah i wanted to wait for the new MBP support for AlDente before buying it. Idk if I should set it to 80% or lower. I wanted it to be 50% but idk I'm scared that if I need it charged ASAP (maybe because I need to go urgently without prior notice. Or say a power outage happened) i need to charge it ASAP and use as little energy as needed

So I've been thinking on just letting it go to 80% or 50% unless I want to use it without power.
I think 50% is a bit on the paranoid side, questionable incremental benefits in that. Based on my tests the 80% limit is fine. Losing 2 percent or so per year is not very much. It's probably not reasonable to expect more than that. Batteries are consumable goods.

My goal is to maximize the resell value in 1-3 years. The Mac with the verifiably better battery sells faster or at a premium in an open market. Apple trade-ins don't care about that number at all though, Facebook Marketplace etc. do to some degree. I'll get back what I paid for AlDente, maybe $50 or a 100 on top of that. Whether that's worth the hassle, it depends. For me it's a hobby, not an investment decision.

There are many other ways to look at this. The M1 has such a good battery life that even when degraded it still goes through the day or two without a charger. Since the Air has almost no moving parts, we could easily see these computers doing productive work in 2030 without any hardware repairs. "Just let it be" is a completely viable strategy with these laptops.
 

white7561

macrumors 6502a
Jun 28, 2016
934
386
World
I think 50% is a bit on the paranoid side, questionable incremental benefits in that. Based on my tests the 80% limit is fine. Losing 2 percent or so per year is not very much. It's probably not reasonable to expect more than that. Batteries are consumable goods.

My goal is to maximize the resell value in 1-3 years. The Mac with the verifiably better battery sells faster or at a premium in an open market. Apple trade-ins don't care about that number at all though, Facebook Marketplace etc. do to some degree. I'll get back what I paid for AlDente, maybe $50 or a 100 on top of that. Whether that's worth the hassle, it depends. For me it's a hobby, not an investment decision.

There are many other ways to look at this. The M1 has such a good battery life that even when degraded it still goes through the day or two without a charger. Since the Air has almost no moving parts, we could easily see these computers doing productive work in 2030 without any hardware repairs. "Just let it be" is a completely viable strategy with these laptops.
Yeah, I was thinking 80% as well since Apple also uses 80% cap on their feature.
 
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mi7chy

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2014
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do you turn off/unplug the charger when the unit is off? or is it continuously powered/plugged?

I guess that's the difference as I unplug the charger whenever the unit is off

Mine has been unplugged battery operated only. I have another laptop that has been nearly always plugged in and the historical log shows capacity dropping in half over the years and currently at 1/4 original capacity.
 

hefeglass

macrumors 6502a
Apr 21, 2009
760
423
You people with low cycles wondering why your battery is degrading quicker ..its because you leave it plugged in all the time sitting at 100% charge. You need to cycle the battery, it actually is better for it..keep it between 20-80 percent when possible.

I just sold my macbook pro M1 that i have had since 11/20 , it had 167 cycles and 97% health

noticed another guy is at 99% with 227 cycles. i bet he rarely leaves it plugged in ..and his battery is very happy
 

Jacoblee23

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Nov 10, 2011
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You people with low cycles wondering why your battery is degrading quicker ..its because you leave it plugged in all the time sitting at 100% charge. You need to cycle the battery, it actually is better for it..keep it between 20-80 percent when possible.

I just sold my macbook pro M1 that i have had since 11/20 , it had 167 cycles and 97% health

noticed another guy is at 99% with 227 cycles. i bet he rarely leaves it plugged in ..and his battery is very happy
Gotcha. I wish there were a way to get some of it back.
 

Nikhil72

macrumors 68000
Oct 21, 2005
1,620
1,462
Purchased the day of release last fall, 13” MBP M1, 28 cycles, 100% battery health still. Optimize charging is on and I often leave it unplugged somewhere in the apartment for a week at a time since I use my iPad Pro more.
 

Jacoblee23

macrumors 65816
Original poster
Nov 10, 2011
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Should I pay apple the money to replace my battery since I have obviously messed it up by charging it too often?
 

petterihiisila

macrumors 6502
Nov 7, 2010
404
304
Finland
Should I pay apple the money to replace my battery since I have obviously messed it up by charging it too often?
Of course not. Your battery is not messed up. If you'd get 14 hours of use when new, you now get 13 hours and 45 minutes at 96%. That's not a very meaningful difference in practice, isn't it?

I know those degrading numbers aren't fun to think about, but it's really not a biggie. Laptop batteries have always been like this. Just get AlDente (even the free version) if you like to keep it always plugged in, set it to 80%, then try to forget about it.

Apple will replace the battery for free, if the health drops below 80% during warranty or AppleCare. But it's very unlikely to drop that far in a year or three.
 
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Mr. Dee

macrumors 603
Dec 4, 2003
5,990
12,840
Jamaica
Mine is at cycle count of 43% and maximum capacity 96%. I leave mine plugged in the vast majority of the time, but I'm beginning to wonder if that's a good thing.
 
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