What We Learned About Apple Yesterday

[fox10078]

BBC News
NYT
Die Welt
El Pais
ABC News
Le Monde
CBC
...shall I go on...?

Where do you live? Find a national news site...

Please show me on BBC were it has flash that aren't adds? Cause I read it everyday and right clicked the entire site and only saw it on adds.

EDIT: I was wrong the little videos on the articles are flash, But i hardly use those. Thats just me though, can't say that for the entire world

 

[KnightWRX]

http://gizmodo.com/5454115/first-youtube-now-vimeo-how-html5-could-finally-kill-flash-video

Oops.

Flash is dying.

Once again, Apple proves masterfully prescient.

2 video sites supporting playing videos without flash on something like 10% of browsers.

Flash isn't dying as long as Microsoft refuses to implement HTML5 video. And if they do, if they go the Firefox route and refuse to implement it using H.264 as their codec, you still won't see Flash die.

Right now, YouTube and Vimeo HTML5 is only available on browsers which aren't in the Top 2.

 

[neiltc13]

Please show me on BBC were it has flash that aren't adds? Cause I read it everyday and right clicked the entire site and only saw it on adds.

EDIT: I was wrong the little videos on the articles are flash, But i hardly use those. Thats just me though, can't say that for the entire world

The BBC offers a huge amount of video content via Flash. It has a seven day catch up TV service called iPlayer which is available to UK residents and allows them to view just about any TV show the corporation has broadcast in the past week at any time. It also streams all of its television and radio channels live online using Flash.

 

[fox10078]

Ah I see, Being an American I'm not allowed to use Iplayer.

 

[appleguy123]

http://gizmodo.com/5454115/first-youtube-now-vimeo-how-html5-could-finally-kill-flash-video

Oops.

Flash is dying.

Once again, Apple proves masterfully prescient.

It doesn't matter if Flash is "Dying" you and I are always dying, but we are till useful now. Should we just kill ourselves because there will soon be a future without us?

I was really sad at how Steve looked. I hope he gets better soon, looks like he has lost more weight.

 

[snberk103]

Ah I see, Being an American I'm not allowed to use Iplayer.

That's OK... not being American means I can't watch Hula.com, and a lot of other TV shows on American websites. I'm sure you'll get over it.

 

[Consultant]

Not to turn this into another Flash thread, but Flash is here today. It's used by a lot of websites today. If you want to boast about offering the best browsing experience you need to support Flash. Apple's lack of support for what they seemingly see as competition in content distribution, namely Flash and Blu-ray, is irritating to say the least.

Lethal

Why Apple is pushing HTML5 instead:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/06/html5-assault-on-adobe-flash-heats-up-with-clicktoflash/

YouTube is now available in HTML5 videos. (and mp4 videos for iPhone for years).

 

[davino]

that image looks familiar....

 

[mooblie]

Please show me on BBC were it has flash that aren't adds? Cause I read it everyday and right clicked the entire site and only saw it on adds.

EDIT: I was wrong the little videos on the articles are flash, But i hardly use those. Thats just me though, can't say that for the entire world

I don't understand "...right clicked the entire site and only saw it on adds".

There aren't any ads on BBC. That's not how it get its funding. Where can you see ads on the BBC???

However, my actual reference was to BBC News. Note the word News! Here. Find any video clip. It will be a news video clip. It will not be an ad. It will be in Flash.

 

[dejo]

There aren't any ads on BBC. That's not how it get its funding. Where can you see ads on the BBC???

Um, maybe I'm imagining these then:

 

[*LTD*]

Consumers dont actually care about Flash.

The Macalope is spot-on:

http://macalope.com/2010/01/31/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-flash/#comments

How do you solve a problem like Flash?
January 31, 2010 by The Macalope
Who Can Do Something About Those Blue Boxes?

Users could make Apple change its mind by refusing to buy iPhones, iPod Touches, and iPads because they don’t support Flash. That does not seem to be happening. In fact, iPhone sales are accelerating.

That’s because the question is simpler: What do these users want more, Flash or the iPhone? Flash doesn’t change your life the way the iPhone can. Flash is a platform that enables developers, not users. Sure, you might not be able to play that one game you like, you might not be able to see that actor’s web site, but you’ll open so many other doors you won’t care anymore.

The same will be true with the iPad.

The Macalope’s sorry if he sounds like some crazy iPad nut. No one knows for sure if it’s going to be a success, but he sure thinks it will. And something that essentially just makes developers lives easier isn’t going to stand in its way.

So true.

 

[Nano2k]

People dont even know what Flash is so how can they be against it? they just click on the install message when it appears...

iPhone is barely for last minute or urgency browsing where you want to look at something precise and you'll have to zoom in to read it anyway. iPad and other larger screen devices that's another story.

You wanna bet some people are going to take back their iPads to the Apple store when many of their websites are not displaying properly?

And since you quoted an article from Gizmodo the other day here is the latest one, which makes 100% sense to me. It clearly explains what HTML 5 is and what it is not, a real replacement for Flash it is not that is for sure.

http://gizmodo.com/5461711/giz-explains-why-html5-isnt-going-to-save-the-internet

Nuff said...

 

[nick9191]

Um, maybe I'm imagining these then:

When you view the BBC website outside of the United Kingdom you will get ads, because you guys obviously don't pay a TV licence. Here all BBC channels, online services etc. are ad free. Just like International BBC channels (BBC America etc.) get adverts, there would be uproar if it was left to the British licence payer to fund the BBC's international operations.

 

[*LTD*]

a real replacement for Flash it is not that is for sure.

It all depends where developers take it. That's how standards change.

The anti-Flash movement is being fuelled by Apple and Google. There is only one way this can end well for Adobe:

Adobe reads the writing on the wall and creates tools for HTML5.

 

[localoid]

Speaking of Google...

I'm looking forward to the multitasking, flash support, built in camera, open source software, and the non-walled garden approach that the Google tablet will offer...

 

[*LTD*]

I'm looking forward to the multitasking, flash support, built in camera, open source software, and the non-walled garden approach that the Google tablet will offer...

Potential problems in bold.

 

[*LTD*]

Today's MDN take. Spot-on.

Note to advertisers: Your Flash-based ads are no longer reaching the most well-heeled customers online: iPhone owners. They're also not hitting iPod touch users. And, very soon, iPad users won't be seeing them, either. If you care about reaching people with discretionary income, you might want to consider dumping your flash-based ads and moving to a more open format that people with money and the will to spend it can actually see.

 

[roadbloc]

Your fighting a losing battle *LTD*. As much as I am all up for HTML 5 to take over bloated flash, it is not going to happen for a good few years yet.

I think Apple are thinking too far ahead about not supporting flash, as it is the current video standard, even if it is apparently Dying.

Potential problems in bold.

Why on earth are they potential problems? I hate Apple's app store, how much it charges and it's general restrictive nature. If OS X goes to having an app store, I'm off.

 

[*LTD*]

Might as well just get your shows off iTunes if this goes through . . .


http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2010-02-03-hulu03_ST_N.htm?csp=hf

The article is too long to reproduce here. Worth a read. Grab a tissue.

Here's the headline:

Free video site Hulu explores premium pricing

Why on earth are they potential problems? I hate Apple's app store, how much it charges and it's general restrictive nature. If OS X goes to having an app store, I'm off.

If your model isn't like Apple's model and you're competing in the same space as Apple, chances are your model won't be as good. Apple bought a controlling share of the Law of Averages a long time ago.

The App Store is immensely successful and immensely popular. And it's only getting bigger. Developers and now publishers are falling all over themselves to get in on it. The question to ask now as a company is not "do we have a website?", but "do we have an iPhone app?"

You'd better get used to the App Store, and I mean Apple's App Store. You'll be seeing a lot more of it because . . . consumers LOVE it, developers LOVE it, and they LOVE the devices that make use of it.

It's that simple.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Might as well just get your shows off iTunes if this goes through . . .


http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2010-02-03-hulu03_ST_N.htm?csp=hf

The article is too long to reproduce here. Worth a read. Grab a tissue.

Here's the headline:

Free video site Hulu explores premium pricing

You have not really read that article or even look up what they plan on doing have you?

The pricing plans they are looking at going to are having one were it is add free (monthly fee) and also having a premuim if you want to watch back episodes of the shows.

They are planning on sayinly the only past 2-3 weeks will be able to be watch online. If you want to watch farther back than that it will cost you money. Both those models are really not that bad.
Most people watching stuff on Hulu are trying to keep up with a show they actively follow so they tend to watch new stuff with in a week of it coming out. Both those models will not have any real out rage because you can still follow you stuff for free and the ads have been there for a while.

 

[*LTD*]

You have not really read that article or even look up what they plan on doing have you?

The pricing plans they are looking at going to are having one were it is add free (monthly fee) and also having a premuim if you want to watch back episodes of the shows.

They are planning on sayinly the only past 2-3 weeks will be able to be watch online. If you want to watch farther back than that it will cost you money. Both those models are really not that bad.
Most people watching stuff on Hulu are trying to keep up with a show they actively follow so they tend to watch new stuff with in a week of it coming out. Both those models will not have any real out rage because you can still follow you stuff for free and the ads have been there for a while.

That's just the beginning.

 

[Kristenn]

Someone told me multitasking is a hardware limitation. Is this true?

 

[roadbloc]

Someone told me multitasking is a hardware limitation. Is this true?

Yes and no. With today's hardware, it's probably a software restriction. I somehow managed "multitasking" on Windows 3.1, 8088 Processor with 2MB of ram.

My phone is currently more powerful on that, and yet I can't multitask.

You'd better get used to the App Store, and I mean Apple's App Store. You'll be seeing a lot more of it because . . . consumers LOVE it, developers LOVE it, and they LOVE the devices that make use of it.

It's that simple.

Yes... but I don't think you quite understood what I said. I couldn't care less what everyone else thinks.
I HATE IT!

It's that simple.

 

[Nano2k]

It all depends where developers take it. That's how standards change.

The anti-Flash movement is being fuelled by Apple and Google. There is only one way this can end well for Adobe:

I'm sorry but from the Gizmodo article this is not what I understand, HTML5 brings alternatives but nothing is set or agreed between the major players. In the article it is written that Google is only experimenting with HTML5 it is not something which is final. I think it is clear that on the long run nobody trusts the h264 patent holders, they are just keeping it free for now, trying to gain market share and once that is done they will start asking for royalties. So sure things can change, but to claim to know today what is going to happen tomorrow is unrealistic.
HTML5 is mainly there for webapps etc, video and multimedia is not the focal point.

Someone told me multitasking is a hardware limitation. Is this true?

I have multitasking on my jailbroken iPhone 3GS and it works great even with 10 apps running at the same time. There is even a coverflow style app to switch between the applications...

If there isn't multitasking it is because Apple does not want you to have it.