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what will happen when Iphone 2 comes out
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Apple has to release an iPhone-update during 2008. I don't think it will be iPhone 2 but rather iPhone "nano". As they did with the iPod they have to broaden the range of the iPhone and a 2.5" iPhone would appeal to a larger customer base - as with iPod nano...if Apple waits too long competitors will get closer with other alternatives. And in order to cash in on the hype - release a new "gem" when the hype is on-top!
iPhone HAS MMS
iPhone HAS MMS
iPhone HAS MMS
http://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/97158
http://basicstate.com/htm/page.htm
Did I mention iPhone HAS MMS?
Er, the first line of the article you link says "One of the most perplexing feature omissions from the iPhone was the lack of support for the MMS protocol". How does that support your assertion that the iPhone has MMS? I know it suggests a workaround, but that's not really the same thing, is it?
No it doesn't
No it doesn't
That doesn't count (it's a workaround)
That's like... what bad analogy can I conjure up... saying "your car has air conditioning, it's operated by winding the window down"....
It's capable of sending emails, and some email gateways forward to MMS, but that doesn't somehow make the phone itself capable of MMS. It also relies on knowing what network the other person is using.
How many phones has Nokia made? How many phones has LG made?
How many phones has Apple made? 1.
Apple doesn't make the variety of phones. They make one phone, and it's called the iPhone.
Common sense also tells me this phone has to be something to upgrade to over our current one. Oh wow, 3G, more space, and what possibly else?
Unfortunately, for any cell phone call that doesn't terminate on another cell phone connected to the same cell tower as yours, the call needs to pass through the public switched telephone network (PSTN).
And voice over PSTN is simply always carried at 8-kHz, 8-bit PCM. That standard is far too entrenched, with around 40 years of legacy equipment in the field, to change any time soon.
I suppose an individual service provider might decide to provide an independent nation-wide network linking all their in-house communication together without needing to divert through the PSTN. In that case, they could set their own standards for in-network audio quality... But as soon as you make contact with somebody who's serviced by a different service provider, it'd be back to the same old 8-bit, 8 kHz PCM.
There will be lot of bitching and moaning here about the inability to use the aromatherapy function to assign individual scent profiles to contacts in the address book. That will be $1 (12 euro cents), please.
Look, I'll be honest, I don't know when the next gen iPhone will come out, and guess what, neither does anyone on these boards, but there are clues to suggest it could be sooner than 2009 as some people are stating.
On o2's Terms and Conditions page for the iPhone it states in General no.2 the following:-
If you end your contract during the 18 month minimum term, you may be required to pay the applicable monthly charge for your tariff until the end of the minimum term. This will not apply if your purchase a new iPhone from us, in which case you agree that a new 18 month minimum term will apply.
Now obviously o2 (and indeed other operators that have entered long-term exclusivity deals with Apple regarding the distribution of the iPhone in various markets) will know more than we do. It makes good business sense to know what your partner will be doing for you through the duration of your partnership.
If they didn't expect a new iPhone product to be coming out at some point in the initial 18 months of the agreement then they wouldn't have bothered adding the line about purchasing a new iPhone, and starting a new contract without having to pay any outstanding monthly charges.
Now admittedly it doesn't prove that there will be an iPhone gen2 next year, but it does suggest that they could release one, without the backlash from existing buyers, who could go and get one just the same as any newcomer to the device without having to worry about contracts.
On o2's Terms and Conditions page for the iPhone it states in General no.2 the following:-
If you end your contract during the 18 month minimum term, you may be required to pay the applicable monthly charge for your tariff until the end of the minimum term. This will not apply if your purchase a new iPhone from us, in which case you agree that a new 18 month minimum term will apply.
Now obviously o2 (and indeed other operators that have entered long-term exclusivity deals with Apple regarding the distribution of the iPhone in various markets) will know more than we do. It makes good business sense to know what your partner will be doing for you through the duration of your partnership.
If they didn't expect a new iPhone product to be coming out at some point in the initial 18 months of the agreement then they wouldn't have bothered adding the line about purchasing a new iPhone, and starting a new contract without having to pay any outstanding monthly charges.
Now admittedly it doesn't prove that there will be an iPhone gen2 next year, but it does suggest that they could release one, without the backlash from existing buyers, who could go and get one just the same as any newcomer to the device without having to worry about contracts.
I highly doubt that a new iPhone will be released anytime within 2008.
The current iPhone is not like most other phones because it requires the constant connection with your computer in which you can easily upgrade the software. I think Apple would rather put off the release of a new model and the almost certain backlash that it would cause (similar to that of the price drop and subsequent reimbursements) and instead release software upgrades, because many of the iPhone problems are only due to the software.
You also can't compare Apple to other cell phone companies. Other companies produce many different models of phones and they do not usually upgrade a specific model that often, but rather release new, different models that outshine the others. Fore example: the various semi-upgrades of the RAZR were mostly changes in software and storage space and Moto waited 2 years before the release of RAZR2.
Finally, contracts will play no part in any decision that Apple makes on when and if to release a new iPhone because it will just be the same as buying the first iPhone. I bought mine in the middle of my AT&T contract and all it did was extend my current contract to 2 years from the time i signed up w/ the iPhone.
The current iPhone is not like most other phones because it requires the constant connection with your computer in which you can easily upgrade the software. I think Apple would rather put off the release of a new model and the almost certain backlash that it would cause (similar to that of the price drop and subsequent reimbursements) and instead release software upgrades, because many of the iPhone problems are only due to the software.
You also can't compare Apple to other cell phone companies. Other companies produce many different models of phones and they do not usually upgrade a specific model that often, but rather release new, different models that outshine the others. Fore example: the various semi-upgrades of the RAZR were mostly changes in software and storage space and Moto waited 2 years before the release of RAZR2.
Finally, contracts will play no part in any decision that Apple makes on when and if to release a new iPhone because it will just be the same as buying the first iPhone. I bought mine in the middle of my AT&T contract and all it did was extend my current contract to 2 years from the time i signed up w/ the iPhone.
READ THIS
Holiday Season of 2008, and F your contracts, its a money making scheme to get you to renew
DUH
GPS with Telenav, 16 gig, and 3G when they can get the battery worked out , amongst other amenities that they can charge you for .
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE IPHONE OR IT DOES NOT MEET YOUR NEEDS, THAN SELL IT AND BUY SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY and PAY MORE FOR MONTHLY SEVICE CHARGES AND BE HAPPY
i read somewhere (when I find it I will post the link here) reliable source, that Steve Jobs said they are currently working on the next iphone, due out late next year (2008). They are working on a battery life to use a 3g chip.
Please don't flame me I have read this.
Please don't flame me I have read this.
This is well known. There are new 3G chips coming out early 2008 that are more efficient and thus increase battery life.
If Apple had felt like this with the iPods where would we be? "NOBODY wants to spend £200 a year on a new iPod" - well of course most people don't! That's why you attract NEW customers by upgrading your existing device and (in the case of iPod) introducing cheaper models (mini, nano, shuffle). Apple expanded iPods, they didn't bring it out for macs and say 'hey everyone has one now', nor did they bring out the 'huge' one and say 'hey everyone who wants an ipod will buy that'.
If they don't update it next year, after a year and a half of sales, I'd be surprised. Lets peg that in preliminary for the traditional iPod announcement by Jobs pre-christmas. As for the price drop, in circles outside of Apple Fanatic this was far from bad press - the 'must have' device of Christmas 07 is now cheaper? - great!
The average user isn't going to cough up $500 for a cell phone anyway.
It's true that, in Europe, many people (including, I'd say, our "average user")are going to wait for the end of their current subscription to shift to another carrier and get a subsidized new phone. On the other hand, with this mechanism, that average user isn't used to paying a lot for a phone.
I'm not saying the iPhone will remain a niche market, but given the price tag, for now, it's the tech freaks that are getting it, not the average user.
i think it is just common sense that we wont see a new iphone until 2009 because of the 2 year contract and steve jobs has been saying a lot of stuff about feature updates in 2008 so i really dont think we'll see an intro of a new iphone untill january 2009
And what common sense would this be? Phones have to be updated at a frequency greater than 2 years; even the magic of the iPhone can't last that long. Other competitors will eat it alive. I think it's highly probable for us to see an iPhone update by next year, sometime before Christmas. If there is no updated iPhone by Christmas of 2008, the market simply will not support it.
Besides, I'm sure that ATT has provisions in its agreement with Apple to ensure certain updates
There will be a v2 iPhone in 2008, period. Why? 3G is a must. There are countries that do not allow phone contracts for older generation phones (such as Apple's) so if Apple wants to keep the contract business model they have to upgrade the hardware.
Currently, I'm not even remotely interested. Once they sell the v2 iPhone with 3G and all, then it's a different story.
Currently, I'm not even remotely interested. Once they sell the v2 iPhone with 3G and all, then it's a different story.
I want one, and so do several of the people I know but we haven't bought one yet. Because we're waiting for our CURRENT contracts to expire. There will be a steady stream of "switchers" buying iPhones from the holidays all the way through the next iPhones release.
I'm hoping for Summer '08 (my current contract with Sprint is up in August
). There's a ton of features they could add, but I'd say that most of them amount to an iPhone 1.5. I think that whoever said it'll be more like the iMac where they just phase in an improved model every year is right on. An iPhone nano would be interesting to see. I'm wondering if they would cut the web heavy features like web browsing and YouTube, but keep the lighter and/or more focused apps like Mail, iTMS mobile, Google Maps, etc. My thinking would be typical Apple artificial feature distinction, but also maybe a deal to drop the price of the plans by $10 or so to encourage people who just want a phone and not a mobile internet device.
iPhone 1.5/2 features that I agree we must see:
- more storage (16gb)
- GPS, even if it's assisted
- direct to YouTube video recording (though, I'd prefer if they partnered with Vimeo)
- 3G if it doesn't kill battery life - but from everything I've ready EDGE would be fine with the upgrades ATT has in place if they could get the latency down to 800-1000+ms to the 200-300ms range... not sure if that's possible with an upgrade to the phone equipment, but it sounds like it might be as some ATT handsets are able to get those kinds of response times
- better screen - the demo units I've seen looked good to me, but there's been a lot of complaints on screen defects, etc so upgrading that panel to something a bit nicer is probably a good idea - I'm not sure how many more pixels they can cram in there before they become uselessly small.
- More 'business' applications. Give me a mobile iWork! Or even better would be a custom version of Google Apps that has it's own 'application' on the iPhone (just a specialized shell for the webpage) that also lets me treat my Google Docs storage space as a drive on the iPhone.
- Cut and Paste
- Better BT - full OBEX, support for a BT keyboard.
- improved video decoding/output capabilities. It's good now, but I'd like to see it support Apples "high resolution" setting in iMovie (it's 960*540, sometimes referred to as half-HD because it's half the pixels in 1080p). It would make the iPhone/iPod touch a great little media front end if you cold plug it in to a TV via component or HDMI and stream better than DVD h264 over WiFi to it.
CD quality might a bit of overkill, but something lie 32khz 48kbps AAC would be a huge step up from the roughly 8khz/8kbps of current voice technology. Here's the problem though... land like phones aren't going to upgrade anytime soon, so it would only be "mobile to mobile" calls that sounded any better... and the even bigger problem is latency. Just like you video calls had a lot of lag, improved quality voice calls would to. It'd be extremely annoying, probably to the point where you'd want to go back to the scratchy old quality to get closer to real time communication.
Well your numbers are a little bit off - land lines use uncompressed PCM at 8000 samples per second, 8 bits per sample, or 64kbps.
However, I agree with your conclusion: Raw PCM at 64kbps probably still wouldn't sound as clear as a modern lossy compression scheme (such as AAC) using a higher sample rate, at an overall bitrate of 48kbps.
But considering that most cell phones apply various lossy compression schemes that take the already lowish quality 64kbps landline audio and convert it into something closer to the 5 - 13kbps bitrate range, even throughput at 48kbps might be a little too demanding to support real time communication.
And it would only even apply to a subset of all your mobile-to-mobile calls. For example, if you were to call a mobile phone that is serviced by a competing network that hadn't opted in to exactly the same scheme of diverting voice calls away from the PSTN, then your call would still have to be handled the old-fashioned way. And you'd potentially get even more degraded sound quality because you'd have two layers of quantization noise, and you'd get artifacts due to sampling an already sampled signal at a different frequency, on top of the data lost due to AAC's lossy compression.
No they won't. If anything, they'll increase. Why? Because the "old" iPhone will continue to be sold as PAYG, that's why.
I guess "anyone" really means "just you". If Apple came out with a 16GB iphone that had bluetooth tethering, I would buy it right now. I didn't buy an iphone because it can't do everything that my current phone does.