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nuckinfutz

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Jul 3, 2002
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This may be true, but I don't think they're happy with the way the market is going in favor of Android.

That cream of the crop will be in danger in about 5-10 years unless they do something revolutionary.

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Nah. Apple oversimplified their business model. That's the main problem.

The iPad Mini is the start of their attempt to turn that around.

I doubt that Android has staying power for 5 years let alone 10. Google can only do so much to avoid patent warfare.
 

rushluvr

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Sep 4, 2012
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I doubt that Android has staying power for 5 years let alone 10. Google can only do so much to avoid patent warfare.


Apple needs to be more concerned about infringing on patents. Motorola basically owns the patent to anything regarding mobile communications. Apple could be screwed.
 

Calidude

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RIM was hot 5 years ago. Where are they headed today? Around the toilet bowl.
RIM was never hot. Dumbphones were the norm in RIM's time. RIM was engulfed by the iPhone and now, phones like the iPhone are the norm. Much bigger gamechanger than RIM ever was.

Since you seem to think Android will die in 5-10 years, what will take its place?
 

dejo

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Sep 2, 2004
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The smartphone market has never been this big until the iPhone came along. Most people had dumbphones when RIM was king. Now, most people in the US have smartphones. Apple did what RIM could never do.

That doesn't prove your claim that RIM was never hot. In fact it supports it: "...when RIM was king."
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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RIM was hot 5 years ago. Where are they headed today? Around the toilet bowl.

I remember the on RIM forums. Blah blah it's stale, I'm bored etc etc. then oh boy here comes the next one....another mildly changed phone with a boring OS.

That sound a lot like Andr....oh wait it sounds like the iPhone....
 

Calidude

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That doesn't prove your claim that RIM was never hot. In fact it supports it: "...when RIM was king."
Apple and Google are hot. RIM was warm.

It's easy to be the king when you're at the top of a hill (smartphones pre-iPhone) instead of the mountain (dumbphones pre-iPhone)
 

SlCKB0Y

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Feb 25, 2012
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The chart in the city post is new sales: I didn't think you could buy the iPhone 4 new anymore.

Yep! It's still offered on Apple's website:
http://store.apple.com/au/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone/iphone4

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LOL! I love it when people use that line....you do know that suppling just 3 types of phones is a marketing strategy within itself? ie that is one reason for apples success.

There are plenty people out there that want what others have, with the iphone that is what you get. Noone is carrying a different version.

Well then you've also just drastically reduced the number of Android devices out there. Applying your logic to Android means that all of the Nexus line are basically the same phone. This would also mean the Galaxy S, Galaxy S 2 and Galaxy S 3 are not different phones, but a "marketing strategy".

Or wait, is the Apple case special? When Apple does it, it is a "marketing strategy" and when Android does it, it's "fragmentation".

Also, their low end phones are offered at absolutely insane prices. In Australia, a 8GB 3GS which is more than 3 years old and bordering on useless is $449AU. I can get a 16GB unlocked Galaxy Nexus for under $350-$400AU ($1AU = $1.03US)
 
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Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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LOL! I love it when people use that line....you do know that suppling just 3 types of phones is a marketing strategy within itself? ie that is one reason for apples success.

There are plenty people out there that want what others have, with the iphone that is what you get. Noone is carrying a different version.



Spain is in a pretty big recession now, unemployment rates are pretty high!

Could be a price deciding factor for them.

Ah, Hello! Have we not been in a recession for some time? Our unemployment is pretty high too. Maybe not as high as theirs and i really dont know but it is pretty high for us.
 

Calidude

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Their devices got nick-named "crackberries". Sounds pretty hot to me.
Lol that was just to describe how addictive they are to their owners to use. It doesn't mean they were wildly popular.
 

Oppressed

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Aug 15, 2010
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If you work in the upper tier of apple. Or your a share holder.

For the consumer margins are meaningless. And don't matter in this thread.

How can you possibly talk about market share and leave out margins? People don't walk into a phone store and say "I'm going to buy this Android phone because it has sold more units than this iPhone." If you want to talk about market share than lets talk about how much money those Android developers are making off of their millions of sales.
 

rushluvr

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Sep 4, 2012
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Make a phone that makes sense again? Just saw what the new iphone is supposed to look like. Its jut taller and skinnier than the current iphone and the resolution is obscure and flat out stupid, 1136x640? :rolleyes: Apple would have been much wiser going with a standard like, oh I dunno 1280x720? You know, those HD displays every other high end phone on the planet has had or is coming out with? I can only imagine how horrific it will be trying to text on a display that narrow and how retarded that will make websites look. Apple should just stick to music players and computers, they have apparently lost it when it comes to phones.
 

dkersten

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Nov 5, 2010
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Apple would have to completely break its business model. They would have to sell multiple models of smartphones all at different prices ranging from free to what they sell for now. Or they would have to license out iOS to third party manufactures.

Neither of which are going to happen, because from a business standpoint, Apple is way more successful than any other company (profits), whether it be manufactures, or Google itself.
 

Oletros

macrumors 603
Jul 27, 2009
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How can you possibly talk about market share and leave out margins?

Perhaps because margin have nothing to do with market share?

People don't walk into a phone store and say "I'm going to buy this Android phone because it has sold more units than this iPhone."

People don't walk into a phone store and say "I'm going to buy this iPhone phone because it has more margin than this Android."

If you want to talk about market share than lets talk about how much money those Android developers are making off of their millions of sales.

Or we can talk about the weather, it has the same relation with marketshare

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I doubt that Android has staying power for 5 years let alone 10.

The same can be said about Symbian, iOS or other OSes

Google can only do so much to avoid patent warfare.

And what they will face?
 
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