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~What would it take for you to stop hacking your phone? ~

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For me its 3 things...


1. ichat - I still cant believe this phone doesnt have this option available by default...

2. Themes

3. MMS - which appears to be coming?

That would do it for me! All the other stuff on the phone from hacking I really dont need!!!

New iphone update - for me to purchase

1. GPS
2. 3G


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carriers hate instant messaging apps as it costs them SMS revenue (orange in the UK remove it from any phone they sell such as windows smartphones) so I'd be surprised if it ever made an appearance.
 
To be honest, all I want is to be able to customize icons and a to-do manager that syncs with the Calendar Store database in OS X Leopard.
 
Carriers do not pay messaging fees when you have a program on your phone for AOL.. That only uses data, and goes directly to the AOL server you connect to. Your ISP doesnt pay for fees when you load up ichat does it? No.
 
Probably never because developers will keep making apps faster than Apple can/will release them...
 
For me:

1) Adium-like chat program
2) MMS
3) Gaming (GBA emulators, etc)

Now, I know that last one will never be available on official software unless the SDK allows for it.

Things I just want regardless:

1) More codecs for video (like AVI)
2) Flash support
 
bbplayer5 said:
Carriers do not pay messaging fees when you have a program on your phone for AOL.. That only uses data, and goes directly to the AOL server you connect to. Your ISP doesnt pay for fees when you load up ichat does it? No.
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Sorry, I wasn't very clear was I? What I meant is the carriers lose SMS revenue when people use instant messaging solutions instead of sending an SMS. They would much rather you send an SMS than use an instant messaging program.
Carriers make an absolute fortune from SMS revenue and they're not too keen to give it up...
 
Phil A. said:
Sorry, I wasn't very clear was I? What I meant is the carriers lose SMS revenue when people use instant messaging solutions instead of sending an SMS. They would much rather you send an SMS than use an instant messaging program.
Carriers make an absolute fortune from SMS revenue and they're not too keen to give it up...
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While this may be true on the iPhone, Id tihnk on many other phones the data profit would outweigh the profit of an SMS-- (Phones without unlimited data)
 
Phil A. said:
Sorry, I wasn't very clear was I? What I meant is the carriers lose SMS revenue when people use instant messaging solutions instead of sending an SMS. They would much rather you send an SMS than use an instant messaging program.
Carriers make an absolute fortune from SMS revenue and they're not too keen to give it up...
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I still text more than I use AIM on my phone, as do most people. Its for extended conversations that you dont want to wait for responses, you want it in real time.

Every other phone has this, yet you think iphone wont? Yes it will.
 
Phil A. said:
Sorry, I wasn't very clear was I? What I meant is the carriers lose SMS revenue when people use instant messaging solutions instead of sending an SMS. They would much rather you send an SMS than use an instant messaging program.
Carriers make an absolute fortune from SMS revenue and they're not too keen to give it up...
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Not really. While it's true that carriers do make boatloads of money off of SMS messages, I wouldn't say they'd lose money if they added an IM program. To use a mobile IM program you have to login to a chat service (AIM, MSN, etc) but with SMS all you (and the person you're trying to talk to) need is a phone. It's much easier to get in contact with someone by just sending a text message, that way you get a message sent even if they aren't on AIM/Yahoo/MSN.

So, I'd say that an IM program would have only a small impact on SMS messaging. Besides, with the SDK only a month away, a chat program is coming regardless of whether Apple/AT&T wants it or not.
 
Also i mean how many AT&T phones already have an IM program on them? You really think they will really lose that much money if the iPhone gets one too?
 
I have 16 applications, plus a few more apps that don't have icons on my phone, all for free. If Apple is going to want me to not hack my phone, then they are going to have to provide me with applications at least as cheaply as they do songs. I won't pay more than maybe a dollar when I know it could be had for free.
 
tobefirst said:
I have 16 applications, plus a few more apps that don't have icons on my phone, all for free. If Apple is going to want me to not hack my phone, then they are going to have to provide me with applications at least as cheaply as they do songs. I won't pay more than maybe a dollar when I know it could be had for free.
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^i agree.
 
tobefirst said:
I have 16 applications, plus a few more apps that don't have icons on my phone, all for free. If Apple is going to want me to not hack my phone, then they are going to have to provide me with applications at least as cheaply as they do songs. I won't pay more than maybe a dollar when I know it could be had for free.
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What if the pay apps are significantly better? Would you still complain about something costing more than a dollar?

For example, if you really like Sketches you would be happy with the free program or would you pay for a real Paint program (with real brushes, textures, physics, etc.)?

Would you be happy with your free games, or would you pay for ones that supported an external controller, assuming the free ones couldnt? What if they cost more than $1.
 
While I love the applications I do have on my phone, there are very few of them that I like enough to pay money for to begin with. All the games? Gone...except maybe NES. Maybe. I might be coaxed into paying for an IM client.

But knowing that there are free alternatives (both native via a hacked phone, and web-based on either a hacked or unhacked phone), I wouldn't pay more than a dollar for most of them. Like I said, I wouldn't pay for many of them in the first place.

It would be entirely different if the business model was introduced when the phone was, before the community developed around making free apps for a hacked phone. But it wasn't. Apple missed out on that.
 
tobefirst said:
I thought I was the only one who knew about that!
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Steve Jobs told me about it after he told me about the cube-shaped Tablet mac. Its like a chumby but hard, cold and square.

tobefirst said:
It would be entirely different if the business model was introduced when the phone was, before the community developed around making free apps for a hacked phone. But it wasn't. Apple missed out on that.
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Non of us know what the actual business model is. It might allow for both pay and free apps, just like current software for your mac is. Until it happens its vaporware regardless of what Apple has said, remember Apple also said there wouldn't be 3rd party apps.
 
1) Native iChat (that interfaces just like SMS, with those nice pop-up screens)

2) Native iChat (that interfaces just like SMS, with those nice pop-up screens)

3) Native iChat (that interfaces just like SMS, with those nice pop-up screens)

4) Oh, and vertical keyboard in any app would be nice too
 
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actually I recently saw a screenshot in the summer board thread of what I hope to be able to do - since I got this thing for communications, I want the four dock icons to be the four methods of communication: phone, mail, SMS, IM ... Just waiting for my native IM client (no hacking!!!)
 
Not likely that I ever will. I've always been the type to fiddle tweak etc with pretty much any device that will let me. Game consoles/phones/computers/routers/stereos/etc I will. I suppose if Apple completely opened up the iPhone I might stop but this is Apple lol who are we trying to kid here.
 
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