What's the difference between 3D Touch and long press in terms of discoverability?

[jasonklee]

All I'll say is I'm grateful for both long press and 3D Touch on the keyboard alone, and I don't think they can be combined there. Force is a natural maneuver that I think should be separate from long press. Force implies a sense of urgency, hence "Quick Actions." That is, both input methods should convey different intentions.

Combining them on the Home screen at least seems dumb. I think Apple is positioning 3D Touch as a frequent input method. They're expecting you to deep press on an icon as often as you can so you want to display the most frequent and urgent actions in the Quick Action menu. Adding a button to delete the app every time you deep press seems like a waste. I think the new ubiquitous Share button is dumb and redundant.

 

[Radon87000]

You can't tell me you have always succeeded with a long press 100% of the time either. But that is where we are into absolutes? Either works 100% or it doesn't work?

Yes.Worked 100% of the time.You just have to tap and hold and *gasp* the menu appears.I dont have to balance my pressure nor worry about activating uninstall

I dont see threads like this either.You should have seen the amount of such comments in YouTube when 3DT first launched

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7635124?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7257132?start=0&tstart=0

Any real proof of the reliability or just your anecdotal response?

I dont need Google Searches for something I experience on a daily basis on my Apple Watch.I will check later this week if the iPhon has the same problems.Needless to say Apple Support communities are your friend here

In 2016 long press is just outdated and inferior to 3dt.

Prove to me how you can achieve the functions I listed above.If you cant,you are wrong.Peek and Pop and Share option and preview along with limited menu options in CC?Is that all?

And you totally ignored the last paragraph in my response, while repeating the same things as-nauseum without any "proof" other than your own experience and your friends..

I already addressed it.As many time as you keep repeating hardware is better it just has the potential to be better than a software implementation which has been around in Android for years and has wide spread adoption.Until DEevelopers take advantage of that hardware it will remain a gimmick

 

[mi7chy]

Disregard.

 

[I7guy]

Yes.Worked 100% of the time.You just have to tap and hold and *gasp* the menu appears.I dont have to balance my pressure nor worry about activating uninstall

I dont see threads like this either.You should have seen the amount of such comments in YouTube when 3DT first launched

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7635124?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7257132?start=0&tstart=0


I dont need Google Searches for something I experience on a daily basis on my Apple Watch.I will check later this week if the iPhon has the same problems.Needless to say Apple Support communities are your friend here



Prove to me how you can achieve the functions I listed above.If you cant,you are wrong.Peek and Pop and Share option and preview along with limited menu options in CC?Is that all?



I already addressed it.As many time as you keep repeating hardware is better it just has the potential to be better than a software implementation which has been around in Android for years and has wide spread adoption.Until DEevelopers take advantage of that hardware it will remain a gimmick

Since we're into anecdotes Well for me 3dt has worked and does work 100% of the time without activating long press.

As I keep saying show me how you can achieve the same functions I listed instantly, especially the task manager. I'm a busy person and don't like wasting time with loooonnnggg key presses.

 

[teddybearstand]

Yes.Worked 100% of the time.You just have to tap and hold and *gasp* the menu appears.I dont have to balance my pressure nor worry about activating uninstall

"Balance your pressure", are you serious? Maybe some people just need more practice, it was innate to me when I first picked up my 6s.

Also, tapping and holding is more prone to error; especially on images and links in safari, where its easy to not hold long enough. 3DT is instant and gives feedback.

 

[Shirasaki]

Also, tapping and holding is more prone to error; especially on images and links in safari, where its easy to not hold long enough. 3DT is instant and gives feedback.

Yes. How long is enough? 2s? 4s?

Whereas the force of force touch may be hard to find at the beginning but if not enough, just a little bit harder. No need to wait, just press.

 

[Michael Goff]

Long press is one thing and doesn't have the complexity of peek/pop. Also, we know to long press on things after eight years of touch devices being big. 3D Touch is new and sometimes doesn't do something one place in one app but does something in another.

 

[teddybearstand]

Long press is one thing and doesn't have the complexity of peek/pop. Also, we know to long press on things after eight years of touch devices being big. 3D Touch is new and sometimes doesn't do something one place in one app but does something in another.

You're right, 3DT is still in its infancy and isn't truly consistent across iOS-- mind you its very easy to learn what it does and doesn't do

And again, long press is forever more complex as it has the factor of time and a tap and hold.

If you look at simple interactions, such as selecting text, a long press is actually quite more complex in the sense of time and user input required than a simple hard press and drag.

 

[Radon87000]

Since we're into anecdotes Well for me 3dt has worked and does work 100% of the time without activating long press.

As I keep saying show me how you can achieve the same functions I listed instantly, especially the task manager. I'm a busy person and don't like wasting time with loooonnnggg key presses.

Too bad many people disagree including me as the support communities prove

If all you use your iOS device for is peek and pop emails then iOS is the better option.If you use your device for productivity,customisation,changing settings on the go,quick typing then Long press is better

 

[Radon87000]

Long press is one thing and doesn't have the complexity of peek/pop. Also, we know to long press on things after eight years of touch devices being big. 3D Touch is new and sometimes doesn't do something one place in one app but does something in another.

Exactly.Long press works everywhere and because of wide spread adoption feels natural.On the other hand you have to remember to use 3DT.People can go ahead and use their iPhones without 3DT and not miss a thing.Now ask any Android user to go a day without using long pres.He would go mad

 

[C DM]

Too bad many people disagree including me as the support communities prove

If all you use your iOS device for is peek and pop emails then iOS is the better option.If you use your device for productivity,customisation,changing settings on the go,quick typing then Long press is better

The objective proof of this is where? In a subjective personal opinion? And there you have it.

 

[I7guy]

Too bad many people disagree including me as the support communities prove

If all you use your iOS device for is peek and pop emails then iOS is the better option.If you use your device for productivity,customisation,changing settings on the go,quick typing then Long press is better

By the time you've activated a function looonnngg press eradicated any advantage. Seriously can the hyperbole and generalizations be turned up any higher? And what counting responses in an online Internet forum allows you to make the definitive proclamation about a result?
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Exactly.Long press works everywhere and because of wide spread adoption feels natural.On the other hand you have to remember to use 3DT.People can go ahead and use their iPhones without 3DT and not miss a thing.Now ask any Android user to go a day without using long pres.He would go mad

Working everywhere does not correlate to working better. A kludge is a kludge is a kludge.

 

[Radon87000]

The objective proof of this is where? In a subjective personal opinion? And there you have it.

By the time you've activated a function looonnngg press eradicated any advantage. Seriously can the hyperbole and generalizations be turned up any higher? And what counting responses in an online Internet forum allows you to make the definitive proclamation about a result?
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Working everywhere does not correlate to working better. A kludge is a kludge is a kludge.

Google just implemented 3DT without requiring dedicated hardware

Game over

 

[I7guy]

Google just implemented 3DT without requiring dedicated hardware View attachment 666751

Game over

Whatever it is it's not the same because of the ability to sense differences in pressure against the screen. This allows for peek and pop. Apple 1 google 0. Sure simulate in software, looong press, shrt press, confusion.

 

[Radon87000]

Whatever it is it's not the same because of the ability to sense differences in pressure against the screen.

Who cares?Its giving me the exact same functions .Oh and it works in all apps

This allows for peek and pop. Apple 1 google 0. Sure simulate in software, looong press, shrt press, confusion.

Just 1 long press.Job done.I don't know about you but applying pressure on those lockscreen notifications and apps is tiring with one hand

 

[I7guy]

Who cares?Its giving me the exact same functions .Oh and it works in all apps



Just 1 long press.Job done.I don't know about you but applying pressure on those lockscreen notifications and apps is tiring with one hand

Ahh back with the long press is better; and I care. 3dt to me is more intuitive and based on pressure brings up other functions. If you like long press then turn off 3dt. 3dt works in all apps also as long as the developer coded for it, same as software simulations. Even browsing mr is fun with 3dt. To open the last post without leaving the main thread, peek and pop the time.

 

[C DM]

Google just implemented 3DT without requiring dedicated hardware View attachment 666751

Game over

We are back to the whole long press vs 3D Touch thing? That horse has been dead for a while now, beating it again just for fun isn't going to bring it back.