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Not really. Apple can update core apps at any time with any update, it doesn't have to be once a year. iOS 8.4 redesigned the Music app.

Agreed. Core apps can be updated without a major iOS release.

There's nothing preventing Apple from releasing iOS 8.5, 8.7, or 8.12 and rolling in updates for core apps.

But due to marketing, it's easier to EOL old phones through major iOS versions.

The whole iPhone and iOS numbering cadence is meant to encourage annual upgrades.
 
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I’m never going to complain about an operating system being updated too often.

I’m all about security, so the more updates the better as far as I’m concerned.
 
1/2 of the people on forums like this complain that nothing changes and the other 1/2 complain that we don't need changes. Other that security new software is needed to support new hardware. If you do it all in bits and pieces then it is much harder to test many many changes than the method today. Or you can have some phone that have some features and other of the same phones that have some other features.
Do I like everything included in the changes - no - but in general most people are very happy with the new software - sure some people have real problems but I'll bet a lot of those have to do with some of the apps they run and the lack of great coding rather than basic IOS issues.
Just my opinion
 
It mostly looks like a competition against itself, Android is not an iOS competitor, that's a different philosophy like MAC is vs PC so what I don't understand is the urgency to update the mobile operating system each and every year without anything really worth and, most of all, by making the users feel like paying beta testers...

Ok, one can decide not to update (I didn't yet, waiting for it to be at least "stable") but, still, why this rush (and this applies to MacOS too but this is iOS dedicated forum so I will limit my rant to mobile OS)?
Really? It's to sell new hardware, I thought this was obvious.
 
Awesome question.

SasS would be the answer I think. Instead or large, single updates ever few years, they add new feature and evolve the service each year to bring you the best experience (and a few bugs).

Plus, consumers are finicky. They want change and something new even if their needs are being met. On the other hand, too much change and they become frustrated, which may lead them to change to another service all together. Instead of radical changes, incremental changes that add one more reason to stay probably work better and satisfy that craving for something new.
 
There's this weird thing with software development in general nowadays where software gets updated weekly if not more.
 
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Right. Which discredits your once a year theory.
You angry or do you always like to have the last word?

How much logic does it take to deduce that if an upgrade to iOS happens more than several times within the same year that makes it more than once in a given year? Would you like me to further add .1/.2/.3 etc in my comments?
 
You angry or do you always like to have the last word?

How much logic does it take to deduce that if an upgrade to iOS happens more than several times within the same year that makes it more than once in a given year? Would you like me to further add .1/.2/.3 etc in my comments?
There's no need to be hostile, sorry if I came off that way. You suggested that the reason they do major iOS updates once a year is to update core apps, and I'm saying that they don't necessarily have to wait for a major once-a-year update to update the core apps.
 
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to make your older phone obsolete so they can get you to upgrade which equals more $$$ for them
 
to make your older phone obsolete so they can get you to upgrade which equals more $$$ for them
If people believe that's what's happening, why would they want to give more money to a company that they believe is easentially working against them and trying to take more money away from them?
 
If people believe that's what's happening, why would they want to give more money to a company that they believe is easentially working against them and trying to take more money away from them?

They basically are against us. iPhone X doesn't even come with fast charging or a wireless charger. You have to spend more money to get what should have been included. They do the same thing with their macbooks. Take away hdmi, spend an extra $40 to get the adapter. It's not going to stop me from buying an apple product, but its pretty obvious that they do it each year.
 
Unbelievable these conspiracy theory people. Anyone who has been in the software business at any level, would know that most bugs aren't found until people actually use a product. The variation of usage and variation of which apps are run bring up bugs that no one for saw. There is no way to duplicate actual user experience for a product such as these. So when the bugs are discovered do you want them fixed or wait another year.
In another couple of months most of these threads will be about Apple hasn't introduced anything new and everything is stale. So when Apple introduces things then people complain that there are too many changes.
Sure Apple, like any company, wants to sell new products to people. That is what they are actually in business for and that is what stockholders (owners) want. BUT they want people to be happy with the products. If people aren't happy they don't buy.
Such a failure Apple is - they are only the most valuable company on the planet.
But according to many they do everything wrong. I'd like to be as wrong at they are
 
Forums like this tend to focus a minority into a loud and easily generalization group that people assume represent the entire population of something. However, this is rarely true. In most cases people who are happy with the way their device is working are not reporting in, and thus, it skews the forum towards the negative. Negatives feed off other negatives and the result to the watcher is that everyone has problems, when in reality, it's more like for every complainer here on the forum there are dozens of people living life happily on IOS11 without a care in the world.
Or, the people on this forum care deeply about their devices and enjoy discussing the benefits/problems of iOS releases. General public cares only enough whether or not their device turns on or not.
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This is nonsense.
not really. Apple makes no money (ignoring "services") if no one buys their new products.
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What's the point of releasing a new Corolla every year.
Indeed. More profit for a for-profit company. Duh.
 
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not really. Apple makes no money (ignoring "services") if no one buys their new products.
That doesn't mean they are intentionally trying to sabotage their products. That's a huge leap, and incredibly illogical.
 
That doesn't mean they are intentionally trying to sabotage their products. That's a huge leap, and incredibly illogical.
Not "sabotage"... just not making an effort to optimize for old devices (whether because of intention, or inability to devote resources to): which is logical.

Apple is wonderful. Long Live Apple. :rolleyes:
(Just kidding around. Couldn't resist the snark :D lol)
 
I am not going to reply to each and every post but, being a member of other hardware forums, I understand that most of the times we only write when something goes wrong and this forum is no exception but it remains the fact that the further we go the more I feel like a paying beta tester, don't take it personal but 700-800$ for a mobile is a whole lot of money, I use iPhone since the 4, got the 5 and then 6+ and 7+, I won't mention how many macs around in the house but when I got started on Mac in 2002 there was Leopard, the hardware and operating system were another planet compared to Windows, my Dual G4 is in a storage and still works, the first MacBook I got, a Titanium was rock solid, since then and since switching to different CPU manufacturers things started to decline and on the computer end, in my opinion, Apple is dead, no innovation, just refreshing with whistles and bells and iPhone wise I see the trend being the same.

When I see my son playing with his Asus Android phone whose screen is same size as my 6-7+ I really have to make a big effort into justify the extra 500-600$ (I use $ even tho we use euros here which makes it even worse) for my iPhone, sure, it's Apple, sure iOs bla bla bla but for an everyday's usage I can't see the advantage iOs used to have over Android, my strong point was stable OS (both computer and mobile devices) and sync between different hardware, great to have the same phonebook on the iPhone, iPad, iPod, MacBook etc etc, same goes for Schedule, email and so on but this advantage is gone, what does my iPhone got better than my son's Asus? Camera?! Might be but I don't care, I use dedicated gear when I am in the mood to take pics and for a snapshot I don't really care if 12MP or 16. Sure the Apple logo is cool but is way too expensive and, again, I understand marketing, new OS needs more powerful hardware so let's buy a new mobile (by the way it seems they have a timer, after 24 months 1 day they start to fall down in bits...) but what do I really get so exciting from the 6+ on iOs 10 to the 7+ with iOs11? Clicking home button? I am lost, to me they look exactly the same, the former with a earphones jack and even thinner if I am not wrong so I insist, new features are welcome but I'd rather have a well working base of apps (text messaging, phonebook and all of the iOs environment) rather than a new photo format (...) and a new control center to switch on the led light or wifi...

On my end I upgraded the 6+ to iOs11 and left the 7+ onto 10.x.x I don't use the former so I really can't tell but I pity those who bought the 8 or the X and had to fight on a non-perfectly-working iOs being paid that bunch of money to feel somehow frustrated after over two months off the release of the xmas tree like brand new and so long awaited OS

Grazie
 
It mostly looks like a competition against itself, Android is not an iOS competitor, that's a different philosophy like MAC is vs PC so what I don't understand is the urgency to update the mobile operating system each and every year without anything really worth and, most of all, by making the users feel like paying beta testers...

Ok, one can decide not to update (I didn't yet, waiting for it to be at least "stable") but, still, why this rush (and this applies to MacOS too but this is iOS dedicated forum so I will limit my rant to mobile OS)?
Because you (and plenty of other people) are just completely off on your assessment of reality. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people are running iOS 11 without any major issues. Unfortunately, it isn't possible to release software that works perfectly on 100% of devices when the installed base is near a billion compatible devices.
 
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