Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

jhu

macrumors 6502a
Apr 4, 2004
854
1
EricNau said:
You seem very confused. You can get viruses without doing anything wrong. The average Windows computer lasts only about 18 minutes from the point of first connecting to the internet, to the point of infection.
I didn't do anything wrong to my PC, yet it froze all the time, I got the Blue Screen of Death on a normal basis, and I had McAfee the whole time.

that could happen on a computer with a fresh install of a new windows xp (i recall if this applies to sp2) connected directly to the internet. that's what happens when there are open ports by default. but you could probably do the same thing by installing mac os with open ports too.
 

Mikael

macrumors regular
Aug 4, 2005
158
0
Gothenburg, Sweden
jhu said:
that could happen on a computer with a fresh install of a new windows xp (i recall if this applies to sp2) connected directly to the internet. that's what happens when there are open ports by default. but you could probably do the same thing by installing mac os with open ports too.
Yep, un unpatched version of XP will get a worm or two in an instant. This doesn't happen with SP2.
 

sean.ferguson

macrumors newbie
Dec 28, 2005
5
0
Scotland
macEfan said:
-my Windowz PC has bad frount USB ports
-It runs very hot
-It takes 2x longer to load the OS

These are easily fixxed at the users end though:

  • New PCI USB Card, either that just rewire in some USB ports if your adventurous.
  • Bigger, Better Fan
  • Feed it RAM

Running hot is a problem with all current Macs aswell, moreso the portables. The G-Processor really has a much bigger problem with heat than even the old AMD Durons. :p

Mikael said:
Yep, un unpatched version of XP will get a worm or two in an instant. This doesn't happen with SP2.

This is where Macs come out on top, but virii can still be a problem on Macintosh if people do not understand the sudo concept very well. Malware and Worms can infect a Mac if the user types in their admin password when prompted. If someone is very un-educated they may just think the system is needing something and type in their password without checking the source.

The current issue that virus writers have right now with the Mac platform, is there is no delivery capsule. There is the malicious code, but no way to automatically insert and run it.
 

jhu

macrumors 6502a
Apr 4, 2004
854
1
sean.ferguson said:
This is where Macs come out on top, but virii can still be a problem on Macintosh if people do not understand the sudo concept very well. Malware and Worms can infect a Mac if the user types in their admin password when prompted. If someone is very un-educated they may just think the system is needing something and type in their password without checking the source.

The current issue that virus writers have right now with the Mac platform, is there is no delivery capsule. There is the malicious code, but no way to automatically insert and run it.

i disagree. take a look at the unpatched itunes. if you don't patch known exploits, there is a distinct possibility of getting 0wned.
 

macg4

macrumors 6502a
Nov 17, 2003
679
0
Des Moines,Iowa
well before i sold my g5. let me see, the 5 month old western digitail hd died, windows xp kept crashing/freezing. and other fun various issue, these and many more made me switch to mac for good!
 

biohazard6969

macrumors 6502a
Feb 23, 2005
836
0
toronto canada
EricNau said:
You seem very confused. You can get viruses without doing anything wrong. The average Windows computer lasts only about 18 minutes from the point of first connecting to the internet, to the point of infection.
I didn't do anything wrong to my PC, yet it froze all the time, I got the Blue Screen of Death on a normal basis, and I had McAfee the whole time.

oh i know that, but that statistic is for a PC without antivirus, also, what i'm meaning here is that USUALLY if you treat it right then many people won't see these problems, other times its bad luck
 

Seasought

macrumors 65816
Nov 3, 2005
1,093
0
What's wrong with your PC?

The cheap plastic case creaks and moans when picking it up and moving it / cleaning it.

The operating system is Windows XP Professional.

I'm pretty paranoid about keeping it clean and running well however so I don't have any other issues with performance.
 

hob

macrumors 68010
Oct 4, 2003
2,004
0
London, UK
All I know is:

Last night I reinstalled OS X on my PowerBook. It took an hour and just worked.

Today I formatted and re-installed my brothers PC. It's now running Windows 2000 which I find slightly more stable than XP, but it took over an hour to install the OS, then another hour to get drivers etc.

Apple seems to have become the ultimate in proprietaryness - almost certainly unwittingly. If I want to edit video, the best program to use on my mac is Final Cut - made by Apple. This isn't just because the interface is better than Avid, but because it runs better than any non-apple software.

Of course, I can still export from all the Pro apps in any number of formats, which is nice - but when you have a mac, you have to accept that you're going to be using mainly apple-built software, along with apple-built hardware. This can be infuriating to some, but to me it just makes my life easier.
 

pknz

macrumors 68020
Mar 22, 2005
2,478
1
NZ
The case of my HP laptop is ugly.
Windows - runs like a door frozen in a massive iceberg superglued to a wall.
Spyware, pop ups and other annoyances.
Keyboard scratches screen.
Screen locking (lid closed lock) scratches paint off itself.
Power adapter has now been replaced twice as the wire bends and then breaks every 12 months.
Needs to be reformatted.
 

macg4

macrumors 6502a
Nov 17, 2003
679
0
Des Moines,Iowa
biohazard6969 said:
oh i know that, but that statistic is for a PC without antivirus, also, what i'm meaning here is that USUALLY if you treat it right then many people won't see these problems, other times its bad luck
true, but i myself always had norton or some other kind of antivirus/firewall, plus i was behind a router as well. i do internet tech support for the local cable company and i see issues with pcs all the time
 

jaduffy108

macrumors 6502a
Oct 12, 2005
526
0
to each their own

hob said:
Apple seems to have become the ultimate in proprietaryness - almost certainly unwittingly. If I want to edit video, the best program to use on my mac is Final Cut - made by Apple. This isn't just because the interface is better than Avid, but because it runs better than any non-apple software.

>>Don't get me wrong, you're entitled to your opinion, but you *are* in a tiny minority amongst pro editors that think FCP has a better interface than Avid. I love FCP, but I still think Avid is better on several fronts in addition to their interface as well. Especially media management, Avid is vastly better. Though FCP supports multicam now, *I* wouldn't want to use it to cut a reality show...and I don't know of any that are using FCP either. FCP is still predominantly a cable networks option ala Discovery Channel, etc.

peace
 

jiggie2g

macrumors 6502
Apr 12, 2003
491
0
Brooklyn,NY
Nothing

Nothing is wrong with my PC, I use to come here alot but I now find myself more and more at AnandTech forums. Many people here are just a bunch of bilnd windows bashers or mac zealots who will believe anything Jobs tells them.

now to the original topic , what wrong with my PC.

Nothing , Other then the ocassional spyware sweep. It works just as good as my iMac G4.

Fact is my PC will destroy every Mac here save for a Quad and that is maybe 20-25% boost for 300-400% the price in similar config, the dual 2.7ghz and My Rig should be in about +-5% of one another, but I am running better ram.
I still get to keep my 2 PCI slots to Go along with my 1x , 4x , and dual 16x PCI-e slots. I Get to keep my SoundBlaster Audigy 2. I didn't get raped by Apple for my 7800GT(newegg baby). Best of all I get to keep my Athlon X2 Logo Sticker on my Tower Door.:D

So whats wrong with my PC? The Real Question is whats wrong with Your MAc?
 

Nspace

macrumors regular
Jul 13, 2004
204
0
Toronto, Canada
jaduffy108 said:
Also, I'm r-e-a-l-l-y sick of the Apple Cult mentality...such as this thread as well as most on this site represents. I like the PC world's lack of religious..blind faith. Refreshing.

peace

I agree. A ton of the threads here that get a large response are many of the ones that have to do with PC's or Windows. It seems to be a hobby for many mac enthusiasts to have such great pride in making so many negative claims about windows etc., and from reading many of the posts its quite obvious that some people are very uninformed if you ask me. Claims like "I have never seen an XP machine with uptime more than a day". Thats most likely not windows; its probably a really shi**y computer to begin with. I have had uptime for weeks and week and its only been interupted by my own need to manually restart or shut down. I will also add I don't use anti virus software, or any special software to combat spyware etc, and after doing an online scan at Housecall to prove a point I can happily report I am not affected by any sort of virus.

On the other hand I could make a relatively large list of issues I have had with my powerbook in the short span of only a year and a half.
 

jaduffy108

macrumors 6502a
Oct 12, 2005
526
0
Nspace said:
I agree. A ton of the threads here that get a large response are many of the ones that have to do with PC's or Windows. It seems to be a hobby for many mac enthusiasts to have such great pride in making so many negative claims about windows etc., and from reading many of the posts its quite obvious that some people are very uninformed if you ask me.

>>>Yep. Very uninformed..thus my "cult mentality" remark. The vibe reminds me of high school in terms of maturity, etc. Well...ok...junior high.


Claims like "I have never seen an XP machine with uptime more than a day". Thats most likely not windows; its probably a really shi**y computer to begin with. I have had uptime for weeks and week and its only been interupted by my own need to manually restart or shut down. I will also add I don't use anti virus software, or any special software to combat spyware etc, and after doing an online scan at Housecall to prove a point I can happily report I am not affected by any sort of virus.

>>>Exactly. These Mac Supremacy folks seem oblivous to the FACT that some of the most demanding computer environments on the planet are PC based...and for damn good reasons. The tech people who chose PC over Apple for those networks, etc are NOT stupid. The FACT is even Apple's beloved stepchild, Pixar, was PC based for a L_O_N_G time...and I believe still uses PCs in their renderfarms. WHY? Did WETA use G5's for King Kong? Nope. Did Digital Domain use Macs for Titanic? Nope....and i can go on and on. These environments where down time due to crashes, etc can cost a small fortune(!)....why would these VERY demanding, cost-no-object environments choose PC over Apple if Apple is superior?.... They didn't..cuz it ain't. As i've said before, I do prefer Apple (OSX) for certain tasks, etc. So what?


On the other hand I could make a relatively large list of issues I have had with my powerbook in the short span of only a year and a half.

>>Unfortunately, me too. Now... I try to use Apple for its strengths....and pcs for "heavy lifting". When Apple starts using Intel's conroe/merom......maybe...MAYBE... we can have the best of both worlds....we shall see.

peace
 

dubbz

macrumors 68020
Sep 3, 2003
2,284
0
Alta, Norway
Nothing wrong with my PC. Works just great. Fast, no viruses or spyware. No stability issues.

I have and use a Mac, because I like testing out different OS. OS X is a great OS and the Powerbook is a great laptop when it works...
 

muffinman

macrumors 6502
Jun 1, 2005
394
0
San Diego, California
why do people keep in bi***ing about how bad PCs are? Seriously, PCs are not that bad. Mac surpasses them in many areas, but there are areas in which PCs shine. I do not think there should be "hatred" or "extreme discomfort" towards PCs. Sure, PCs can get spyware, and sure PCs freeze alot, and sure, the PC's interface is not as great as Apple's but there is no reason to bi*** about it in the way some people do. I'm not pointing fingers, but I think this hatred/negative outlook should stop.

They're only (dare I say it?) computers.

Edit: oops, i looked above me, and see that other people are saying the same thing. forgot to read:eek: . But my statement still holds.
 

hob

macrumors 68010
Oct 4, 2003
2,004
0
London, UK
jaduffy108 said:
>>Don't get me wrong, you're entitled to your opinion, but you *are* in a tiny minority amongst pro editors that think FCP has a better interface than Avid. I love FCP, but I still think Avid is better on several fronts in addition to their interface as well. Especially media management, Avid is vastly better. Though FCP supports multicam now, *I* wouldn't want to use it to cut a reality show...and I don't know of any that are using FCP either. FCP is still predominantly a cable networks option ala Discovery Channel, etc.

peace

I don't understand this - I get it a lot, everyone uses Avid, so of course we should all use Avid... I don't understand the attraction! I had to use it for an editing project, I found it more frustrating that iMovie and it crashed twice! What exactly is so good about avid in your opinion?

Sorry to go off topic, I'm just curious!
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
hob said:
I don't understand this - I get it a lot, everyone uses Avid, so of course we should all use Avid... I don't understand the attraction! I had to use it for an editing project, I found it more frustrating that iMovie and it crashed twice! What exactly is so good about avid in your opinion?

Sorry to go off topic, I'm just curious!

I'm pretty dept on Avid having specialised in it for my B.A hons course, but the first time I used FCP (version 2) I fell in love.

Avid is heavily structured, you have to make sure all your files are in its supported formats and for most editing it is good, but FCP in all its incarnations i've used 2,3,4,4.5 HD,5 has always alowed more creative flexibility and expression. I find its a tool that works with you, rather than just a tool that you work....

(Previous poster 'HOB' you can't compare Avid to iMovie...)

And as for the main topic 'what's wrong with your pc?'... Well nothing as a mac is a Personal Computer...
 

hob

macrumors 68010
Oct 4, 2003
2,004
0
London, UK
MacRumorUser said:
I'm pretty dept on Avid having specialised in it for my B.A hons course, but the first time I used FCP (version 2) I fell in love.

Avid is heavily structured, you have to make sure all your files are in its supported formats and for most editing it is good, but FCP in all its incarnations i've used 2,3,4,4.5 HD,5 has always alowed more creative flexibility and expression. I find its a tool that works with you, rather than just a tool that you work....

(Previous poster 'HOB' you can't compare Avid to iMovie...)

And as for the main topic 'what's wrong with your pc?'... Well nothing as a mac is a Personal Computer...

Cool, where did you do your BA Hons? I'm doing mine at Staffordshire... Not the most prestigious of establishments!!

I'll tell you how avid is like iMovie - well, I used to get frustrated with the previous version of iMovie - was that 3? 4? I foget which we're up to now, I don't use it anymore - but when you used to drag a clip in, sometimes the audio would go out of sync etc. etc.

My experience with avid was that not only could I not drag a clip in, (I had to use keyboard shortcuts I = in point O = out point X = extract) but when I got my new clip in it would invariably throw all of my audio and video out of sync.

I just like the way FCP has a nice front-end, it does what you expect it to do when you drag something somewhere, as opposed to you having to learn what to expect the program to do when you do something!

Hob
 

zflauaus

macrumors 65816
Nov 19, 2004
1,166
3
Nothing is entirely wrong. Although the other week I had to reinstall Windows because a virus infected every single .exe file. :mad: I try to keep it the best I can since I use it as a dial-up router. Must try to not through it out the Window.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.