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Whats your View of Cracked Apps?
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A guy on minimum wage who pirates Final Cut causes zero damage to Apple in and of himself. He was never going to buy it anyway and it doesn't diminish stock. No sales are lost.
Think of it like this: you pay $100 to get into an art exhibit and take a photo of some exclusive piece. Then you send that photo to your friend halfway across the world who had NO conceivable way of EVER getting to that exhibit. Strictly speaking, you just "pirated" that piece of art. But somehow I doubt anyone here is going to cry for your friend to get arrested for hurting that artist's living.
Note: I buy whatever I can, but I'm not going to be holier than thou and act like my old Windows PC didn't have quite a few pirated pieces of software on it.
Think of it like this: you pay $100 to get into an art exhibit and take a photo of some exclusive piece. Then you send that photo to your friend halfway across the world who had NO conceivable way of EVER getting to that exhibit. Strictly speaking, you just "pirated" that piece of art. But somehow I doubt anyone here is going to cry for your friend to get arrested for hurting that artist's living.
Note: I buy whatever I can, but I'm not going to be holier than thou and act like my old Windows PC didn't have quite a few pirated pieces of software on it.
Did this same guy steal the MBP he's running the pirated app on?
If I was going to donate $50 to the food bank, but a homeless person stole the $50 from me so he could buy food.... did he do anything wrong? The answer is yes.
Not that it matters, however I think that most if not up to 90% of pirated downloads never really get used. I know friends that downloaded a ton of music/movies have filled their hard drive and don't watch them. It's like they're data junkies.
I am a avid netflix user. I will download dora the explorer for the kids when we go on trips to keep them amused until apple wakes up and installs 3g into the laptops so I can use netflix when we go on the road. Why would I purchase dora when I can get it on netflix.
I am a avid netflix user. I will download dora the explorer for the kids when we go on trips to keep them amused until apple wakes up and installs 3g into the laptops so I can use netflix when we go on the road. Why would I purchase dora when I can get it on netflix.
The OP has a total misunderstanding of how the App Store and how app revenues in general work. I won't lie - I have pirated a couple apps here and there that are totally out of my price range. I know it is wrong and I never do it if I don't have to.
Stealing inexpensive iOS apps is similar to stealing bubble gum in a super market.
WRONG.
Developers are not paid by Apple to make apps.
If you think the only worthwhile apps are free, don't steal the paid ones.
iTunes is run at near BREAK EVEN.
What $2 game ends in 15 minutes?
how do you figure? most developers get paid to make the app, not on how many times its used. so they get their pay from apple before it actually goes on the store, for one.
and secondly most third party developers make their apps for free. well the cool ones anyways
thirdly, apple makes so much in iTunes i think its just silly to charge us 2$ for a game that ends in 15 minutes.
WRONG.
Developers are not paid by Apple to make apps.
If you think the only worthwhile apps are free, don't steal the paid ones.
iTunes is run at near BREAK EVEN.
What $2 game ends in 15 minutes?
how do you figure? most developers get paid to make the app, not on how many times its used. so they get their pay from apple before it actually goes on the store, for one.
and secondly most third party developers make their apps for free. well the cool ones anyways
thirdly, apple makes so much in iTunes i think its just silly to charge us 2$ for a game that ends in 15 minutes.
Is this Nancy Grace? Only she could come up with a crap story like this and think she is correct!
I'm sure it pains the programmers to see something they worked so hard on get stolen by the people they worked hard to please.
IMO:
If you pirate an app in order to 'try before you buy'... thats probably OK ( Most applications have this option any way - x day trial version).
If you use an application, pay for it.
Having said that I do understand the POV of "i can't afford it, but I wouldn't have bought it anyway"... but still, end of day, stealing.
If you pirate an app in order to 'try before you buy'... thats probably OK ( Most applications have this option any way - x day trial version).
If you use an application, pay for it.
Having said that I do understand the POV of "i can't afford it, but I wouldn't have bought it anyway"... but still, end of day, stealing.
Are you really that stupid or just misinformed??
The only developers that are paid by Apple are those that Apple employs. Apps like iWork, iBooks, FaceTime, etc. are examples.
99.999% of apps on the MAS and iTMS are made by 3rd party developers. If you use cracked versions of their apps they don't get paid. Plain and simple.
Do the right thing and pay up!
true ignorance. i'm sorry this society has brainwashed you into believing that hard work, innovation and creativity don't happen without money.
Don't misconstrue my second point. By top notch I meant in terms of necessary inputs - programs like FCP, Adobe CS, etc aren't trivial to design and implement. Sure, there are tons of little productivity apps that are a labor of love, but with those you generally get a level of support and functionality (i.e. limited) commensurate with your payment (zero). Of course there are exceptions; if you'd like to be part of one of these processes then feel free to join on your own time and dime.
But that doesn't change the fact that you choose to only address my second point, which is tangential to the kid's argument, and not the first or third. Justify why the kid has the right to pirate developers' work, or why it isn't classifiable as theft.
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There was a time when my morals were less than they are now (as was my disposable income) so I used cracked apps.
Now I am more financially stable I see no reason to pirate an app be the developers big or small and I am morally unwilling to do it.
It does seem kind of wrong owning such expensive hardware (such as the iPhone) to then go and used a cracked app, the majority of which are very low priced.
There was a time when my morals were less than they are now (as was my disposable income) so I used cracked apps.
Now I am more financially stable I see no reason to pirate an app be the developers big or small and I am morally unwilling to do it.
It does seem kind of wrong owning such expensive hardware (such as the iPhone) to then go and used a cracked app, the majority of which are very low priced.
There's more to photoshop, final cut, office, etc. than innovation and creativity. Coming up with innovative and creative ideas will get you a list of innovative and creative ideas, not a software program. Someone actually has to design, code, market, distribute, support, and maintain that software, and that costs money.
I also find the argument that Adobe, or any other software company could sell something like photoshop for only $20 and still make money, let alone more money, ridiculous. If, as you suggest, they are so concerned with making money, then why in the world would they possibly be intentionally limiting their profits by charging such high prices?
And back to the OP: I don't pirate anything. I work in the creative industry and I value and am willing to pay for the hard work that's put into creating the music, software, movies, etc. that I use. I understand the argument for using cracked apps in-lieu of trials, but otherwise I don't buy the pro-piracy arguments.
So apparently I get a warning for insulting the OP, while the thread advocating criminal actions continues. Brilliant. Thanks mods.
Back on subject. The OP obviously has no clue what he's talking about in regards to developers work & being paid. He's also sporting several thousand dollars in hardware, but advocates stealing cheap software. That pretty much says it all.
I'm done here, and am fairly unimpressed with the MR staff/rules which apparently don't allow for deserved insults, but fail to adequately stifle discussions about illegal activity.
Back on subject. The OP obviously has no clue what he's talking about in regards to developers work & being paid. He's also sporting several thousand dollars in hardware, but advocates stealing cheap software. That pretty much says it all.
I'm done here, and am fairly unimpressed with the MR staff/rules which apparently don't allow for deserved insults, but fail to adequately stifle discussions about illegal activity.
The ipod touch and iphone are already expensive as it is.....
Paying an additional $100 to get 50+ apps that may or may not be is not worth it.
Since people invest so much money in a device,they should be able to download whatever for free, people saying that they jailbreak for customization!!!we know its the free apps that make jailbreaking popular.
However worthwhile apps like iMovie is worth the $5.
Paying an additional $100 to get 50+ apps that may or may not be is not worth it.
Since people invest so much money in a device,they should be able to download whatever for free, people saying that they jailbreak for customization!!!we know its the free apps that make jailbreaking popular.
However worthwhile apps like iMovie is worth the $5.
There are no emicons...
Would you work for free? Because you seem to think developers should work for free...
An expensive device doesn't justify copying software. The device may be expensive but the software is actually very cheap. iOS software is incredibly cheap, thanks to the "Race to the bottom".
Software is not cheap to build.
I am just saying some people might have great job,have money flow all around so they pay to support the developers.
The less fortunate people can't afford to spend 200$. Trust me,people do not want to pirate but i can't see any of my friends spending extra 100$ for some good apps (maybe 15-20 max). If i was a millionaire, sure i would buy every app but common people do not have a lot of money at their disposal.
A sale has a lot to do with perceived value - if you don't see value in something, you're less willing to pay for it (and of course the opposite also applies.)
I think the price of iOS apps is extremely reasonable in most cases. Come on, $2 for a web browser (iCab) that has real tabs and the ability to download files? Well worth it. On the other hand, I see value in being able to remotely login to my Mac from wherever I am using the $30 Logmein Ignition. Did I balk at the price initially? Of course I did, but it's turned out to be a well-used investment.
The point a lot of these people saying "Well I wouldn't have bought it/couldn't afford it anyway" either miss (or more likely choose to ignore) is this: No matter whether or not the developer suffered a loss due to you pirating the app, you still took something that was for sale and didn't pay for it.
And if you think nobdy is affected by piracy, think again - thanks to you and probably thousands of others, developers price their software assuming that people will pirate it, so the legitimate users have to pay more.
Full disclosure: Yes I did pirate when I was younger, didn't have a job to be able to pay for what I wanted. I knew it was wrong, but did it anyway. Toward the end of running Windows and since owning a Mac, I don't pirate software anymore. I use the trial and if I like it, I buy it.
I think the price of iOS apps is extremely reasonable in most cases. Come on, $2 for a web browser (iCab) that has real tabs and the ability to download files? Well worth it. On the other hand, I see value in being able to remotely login to my Mac from wherever I am using the $30 Logmein Ignition. Did I balk at the price initially? Of course I did, but it's turned out to be a well-used investment.
The point a lot of these people saying "Well I wouldn't have bought it/couldn't afford it anyway" either miss (or more likely choose to ignore) is this: No matter whether or not the developer suffered a loss due to you pirating the app, you still took something that was for sale and didn't pay for it.
And if you think nobdy is affected by piracy, think again - thanks to you and probably thousands of others, developers price their software assuming that people will pirate it, so the legitimate users have to pay more.
Full disclosure: Yes I did pirate when I was younger, didn't have a job to be able to pay for what I wanted. I knew it was wrong, but did it anyway. Toward the end of running Windows and since owning a Mac, I don't pirate software anymore. I use the trial and if I like it, I buy it.