Other When do you think we will get a notchless iPhone?

[ssledoux]

I don’t know, but I can’t wait. It’s just ugly. It didn’t bother me at first, but the longer we have it, the more it annoys me that it’s there. I wouldn’t go android over it or anything, but I do look forward to a day when it isn’t there. I’d prefer a slightly wider, even bezel to the chunk missing out the middle. Honestly, I don’t really understand all the mechanics of it, but it does surprise me that they’ve done nothing to improve it at this point.

 

[blairh]

You really think a redesign is that far away? 6 years with the current 'X' design?

The phone was literally just redesigned.

 

[Mac2019]

The phone was literally just redesigned.

Hmm, well if you think re-using a previous design is 'redesigned'. I was referring to the front which looks pretty much identical to the x.

 

[blairh]

Hmm, well if you think re-using a previous design is 'redesigned'. I was referring to the front which looks pretty much identical to the x.

Yes, reverting to flat sides is a redesign mate.

There is a reason the notch is still as big as it is. If Apple could make it smaller, they would have. I don’t think the notch will get smaller until we see a future redesign. Which likely won’t be until 2023.

 

[E pow]

I think we are a couple years away from it. I am use to it but I do notice it and would love for it to be gone. It doesn’t frustrate me that it’s still there. I would be happy if they found a way to create a small bezel at the top. Place the speaker and cameras there at the top and give us a all aronund full screen with no bezels on the side or bottom but just a small bezel on the top that houses the cameras and speakers.

 

[developeren]

Most of my non-power user friends are waiting for the notch to be gone too. At this point, it feels like an artifical development gap rather than production limitations. I know that Apple is a company and their no1 priority is money, but they shouldn't fully depend on company name.

 

[russell_314]

My guess is not till at least 2022 but that’s just a guess. I’ll take a notch over a Swiss cheese screen any day ?

 

[russell_314]

Most of my non-power user friends are waiting for the notch to be gone too. At this point, it feels like an artifical development gap rather than production limitations. I know that Apple is a company and their no1 priority is money, but they shouldn't fully depend on company name.

The notch is a limitation of Face ID. If they want Face ID they have to keep the notch. I don’t think they’re going to give that up.

 

[developeren]

The notch is a limitation of Face ID. If they want Face ID they have to keep the notch. I don’t think they’re going to give that up.

but... but, face ID is useless during this pandemic. I don't know about you guys, but I would rather have an in-screen fingerprint sensor than a solution that is less useful (for right now) and steals from screen real estate. Hell, I am even fine with something rear mounted, just take off that ugly notch.

 

[russell_314]

but... but, face ID is useless during this pandemic. I don't know about you guys, but I would rather have an in-screen fingerprint sensor than a solution that is less useful (for right now) and steals from screen real estate. Hell, I am even fine with something rear mounted, just take off that ugly notch.

Face ID is only useless when in public wearing a mask during the current pandemic. This is a specific set of circumstances. Texting is useless while driving 75 MPH down the highway with the car radio playing AC/DC "Highway to hell". That doesn't mean that Apple needs to delete texting. The pandemic will end and Face ID will again be superior to Touch ID.

Please please Apple don't make the iPhone a terrible copy of Samsung phones. No rear mounted fingerprint scanners and no Swiss cheese screens please

 

[adamhenry]

but... but, face ID is useless during this pandemic. I don't know about you guys, but I would rather have an in-screen fingerprint sensor than a solution that is less useful (for right now) and steals from screen real estate. Hell, I am even fine with something rear mounted, just take off that ugly notch.

No thanks, FaceID works perfect when I'm not wearing a mask which is over 99% of the time. TouchId on my iPad fails almost as often as it works. The notch doesn't bother me one bit.

 

[Banich2]

Hello, I have been thinking about moving to iPhones for quiet a while now, but I really hate that ugly notch design. Could you guys please tell me your thoughts about when will Apple drop the notched design?

Note: Please don't try to convince me about notch being not important. That's not the question.

Edit: According to your answers, we will have to wait approx. 3 years. Then I would like to ask you, do you think it's a good idea to buy an iPhone right now and sell it when notchless models come out? If yes, which model should I buy? Even though my main use cases are media consumption and SSH connections, I probably won't be able to milk this phone more than 2 years.

Your $1000 iPhone will be worth $50 in 3 years. Any phone with decent components now has a notch...are you just wanting a big bezel on top? Like, car windshields have a notch...windows have curtains draping down. If you're wanting to use something for media consumption, I'd suggest a tablet or a TV

 

[developeren]

Your $1000 iPhone will be worth $50 in 3 years. Any phone with decent components now has a notch...are you just wanting a big bezel on top? Like, car windshields have a notch...windows have curtains draping down. If you're wanting to use something for media consumption, I'd suggest a tablet or a TV

Any phone with decent components has a notch? Are you sure that you are living in 2020? Nowadays, even the low-mid tier phones come with good OLED screens with cut-out style. At this point, that ugly notch is just a symbol that the user is an Apple elitist. Don't get me wrong, I am not a "master type". I know that all these companies' main goal is making money, but atleast they are trying to achieve that feat by offering somewhat exciting things, rather than sitting in a corner, releasing new models with artifical feature gaps in order to protect the luxury characteristic of its brand. As someone who were at the both sides, I was really hoping that Apple would catch up to others. Old Apple was trying to be different from other brands by getting ahead of them, not by following from behind under the pretext of stable design development.

Edit: I am not denying that Face ID is really good, it is the only good thing they ever did since 3D touch. My rant is not only about the notch but many decisions they did in the past years in order to be "different".

 

[sheetgoose]

It's not a big deal I suppose, but the phone would look better without it there, considering how sexy the rest of the iphone looks.
An iPhone with touch ID, and without a selfie camera and face ID would be my choice. Then there'd be no need for any type of notch on the front. Not sure why all phones come with selfie cameras now. I'm 52, I don't do selfies.
My guess is 2 to 3 years before it happens...

 

[JulianL]

Hopefully they at least shrink it next year. The design is really starting to get outdated. Prosser says it will be Narrower but we'll see, they all look ugly except for Ultimate tbh. I want touch id back in some form as well. View attachment 1673082

Nice illustration. I'm not a notch hater, it is what it is, but I thought that if it got smaller I would value it getting narrower to leave more space for the status bar. Seeing those mock-ups though I way prefer shorter and I think the narrower picture actually makes the notch more intrusive because it emphasises its depth.

Of course if the notch gradually disappears over a few generations rather than staying as now until a big redesign 2-3 years out then we might get some combination of narrower and shorter as an intermediate step in 2021 or 2022. I do tend to agree with many other replies, my guess is 2023 for the notch completely gone but have no idea whether there might be any intermediate shrinking before then.

I'm not sure what the hardest bit to get rid of will be. The speaker should be no issue. Sony released a 55" TV about 5 years ago now with the speakers embedded in the screen so that technology has been around for ages, at least for certain screen technologies. As for the rest of the stuff it will be interesting to see how that could be handled.

I certainly hope FaceID isn't sacrificed in the quest for a notch-less iPhone because I like it a lot and I was a huge TouchID fan before and deeply sceptical when FaceID came in. I deliberately skipped the iPhone X because I was suspicious of FaceID but once I got my XS I was so hooked that I subsequently upgraded my iPad to the 11" Pro mostly to get FaceID on it. I have no problem with iPhone having both FaceID and TouchID but I would be sad if FaceID disappeared altogether.

 

[JulianL]

It's not a big deal I suppose, but the phone would look better without it there, considering how sexy the rest of the iphone looks.
An iPhone with touch ID, and without a selfie camera and face ID would be my choice. Then there'd be no need for any type of notch on the front. Not sure why all phones come with selfie cameras now. I'm 52, I don't do selfies.
My guess is 2 to 3 years before it happens...

It's not just a selfie camera though. For people who want to Zoom, Facetime etc from their phone the front camera is a videoconferencing camera and I would think pretty essential for many people's use case.

 

[Mac2019]

Touch ID, mounted on the back? Ugh, in the world of touch v Face ID I can't think of much worse. FaceID is absolutely fine other than when wearing a mask which is, essentially, not very much time at all.

Also, I'm reading here that no notch = no Face ID - I honestly can't believe that notchless Android phones don't have Face ID.

 

[developeren]

It's not a big deal I suppose, but the phone would look better without it there, considering how sexy the rest of the iphone looks.
An iPhone with touch ID, and without a selfie camera and face ID would be my choice. Then there'd be no need for any type of notch on the front. Not sure why all phones come with selfie cameras now. I'm 52, I don't do selfies.
My guess is 2 to 3 years before it happens...

Even though it won't probably happen, I can't agree more. I just want an option.

 

[developeren]

Touch ID, mounted on the back? Ugh, in the world of touch v Face ID I can't think of much worse. FaceID is absolutely fine other than when wearing a mask which is, essentially, not very much time at all.

Also, I'm reading here that no notch = no Face ID - I honestly can't believe that notchless Android phones don't have Face ID.

Have you ever used it? It's way more ergonomical than any other solution industry came up with. Face ID is good, but it's not better, nor worse, than Touch ID. I am ready to sacrifice Face ID for the sake of real screen estate and inscreen/rear TouchID.