#facepalm. Definitely hard of chart reading. This is simply not true. Look at the second chart again. To be generous, let's call it $2 billion a quarter in 2011, much less in 2010. To say "making tens of billions" is just a lie. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant "
has made tens of billions over the last two decades.
Umm, dude. I develop techology for a living and own a software company. I'm not dazzled by fancy shmancy marketing. I know *exactly* what vertical integration of Apple products get you (and what it doesn't get you). Just a phone? Catch a clue. iPhone revolutionized mobile tech 3 years ago and it had NOTHING to do with integration with a laptop or desktop PC.
I think you just argued that Apple is the ONLY company that provides vertical integration of their products. Which is a pretty fantastic (and frankly weird) claim. So... I'm not gonna touch this one.
And just make up the other 70% right?
Cooool.
On this we agree completely.
So you've not made a single compelling argument for why Apple would maintain a product line that gives them lower revenues and takes away demand from their profitable product line. You talk about integration with iCloud. But hold on to your keyboard and let me blow your mind for a second... iCloud is.... wait for it.... a
SOFTWARE product which is based in.... wait for it....
the cloud. In other words, this vaunted integration you talk about has ZERO to do with physical devices and everything to do with software.
The lightbulb goes on in 3...2...1
yeah, you definitely sound like a software engineer... 18yo writing iphone apps
you basically dont know squat.
you need to put apple in context. who cares what you think? what apple does, and what they emphasize is integration, look it up, between devices. mac - iphone - ipad - iphone. better call it horizontal. i dont care if it goes through icloud or not, and frankly, nobody does. consumers are only interested if it works, and it works, every year better and better. and marketing? yeah, it definitely works. again, youre the least important figure here, nobody cares what you think. you need to put yourself in average consumer shoes if you wanna have a sane discussion, first, please dont spread your opinion around - it aint different - its stupid, second when you talk about companies, you dont talk about what they mean to you, or do their marketing gets to you, or how do you feel about them, or what you think, you talk about their impact on the world and where are they positioned and where are they heading. basically, you need to be objective.
whats the most popular (not the best selling, best selling means cheapest) pc brand in the world? whose pc department saw 20-30% rise in 2011 (everyone else fell)?
and yeah, just a phone. imagine if iphone 4s run android, where would it be stacked? the best?
what happened 5 years ago doesnt matter any more. its over, time to move on. and apple moves on - integration
the problem with you is you dont even try to understand the future. someday youll understand thats more important where youre heading than where you've been. i wont even bother asking what you think about the future of the iphone and its position, im afraid of the answer, i could get infected and my head could fall off. i dont want that.
i understand that you dont get it, its not easy for everybody. apples goal is to completely integrate all of your devices. you just change the screen size throughout the day. tv-mac-ipad-iphone-ipod. integrated. lion was first. you probably know how mountain lion is developing, every year more and more integrated.
you are better off not thinking. who else integrates pc-phone-tablet as easy and as intuitive as apple (for average costumer)? nobody? why? because they dont build their own os. integration comes built in, just enter your apple id when you turn it on for the first time. how many things i would need to install and how many settings i would need to change if i bought a dell laptop, motorola tablet and a samsung phone?
apple is software+hardware. if it werent for software, how many people would be buying macs or iphones? pc are 50% faster at half the price. integration between hardware and software (in-house), and now icloud and devices is what makes apple unique.
i feel like im talking to a little kid, those things are well know for ages.
but i really dont care. the only reason i even posted here is because i read your statement here that apple should dump pc because they
relatively make less and less money as opposed to ios devices, while making
absolutely more and more money.
that claim is stupid as it gets. you even bothered to put on graphs. why would anyone sane cut off the department that makes 8 billion a year (50% profit margins)? even if its 1% of their business.
but its not about that. its about a whole user experience. you cant have complete integration without a mac. even if it made 1 billion a year, apple would keep it.
but no matter what i say, you wont understand, because if you could, you already would.
you say you need a reason? i've given 8 billion of them. + the most important one -
integration, as easy as it gets
and yeah, halo effect is real. because of the apple ecosystem and integration.
and little something about cannibalism. so it definitely aint good for apple if, god forbid, a person who wanted to buy an ipad (499usd) buys an macbook air (999usd) instead. the cannibalism is happening the other way, ipads eating into macbook sales, get it? or do i need to put some graphs?
if i called you a troll, it would be a compliment.
btw, youre from the states?
and by all means, keep going, this is very entertaining
cheers, ...wait for it... barney
changed my mind, ...wait for it... 16yo making memes
