When will new mac pros be released?

[jtmacb]

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I bought the last G5 desktop Mac before they started using the Intel processors. With everything from ilife to Lion requiring Intel systems I need to buy a new desktop but know Apple must be getting close releasing new models. Anyone care to estimate when that will be?

 

[miles01110]

Check the Buyer's Guide.

 

[initialsBB]

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I think it would save everyone a lot of grief if you simply went down the list of posts and check out the dozens of recent discussions on this topic.

 

[philipma1957]

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I bought the last G5 desktop Mac before they started using the Intel processors. With everything from ilife to Lion requiring Intel systems I need to buy a new desktop but know Apple must be getting close releasing new models. Anyone care to estimate when that will be?

this question has been asked over 20 times since JAN of 2011. Some insist that this june a bump will happen but nothing major. Most think Oct 11 or later for a real update. Since next week is the big show with Mr Jobs himself making the speech why not wait until June 6th like the rest of us will.

 

[Hellhammer]

For the millionth time, there are no newer CPUs for Mac Pro which makes the update unlikely to happen before Q4.

 

[sjordan]

The Answer is 42 of Course

 

[jtmacb]

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You know there is no need to get nasty with your responses. If you consider it a waste of your time then don't respond at all.

 

[jtmacb]

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Busy morning. Harder to do from an iPhone. My post is not the first time multiple people have essentially posted the same question. I was trying to get a quick concensus.

 

[jenzjen]

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Busy morning. Harder to do from an iPhone. My post is not the first time multiple people have essentially posted the same question. I was trying to get a quick concensus.

Understand your point, but if everyone just posted the same ? these forums quickly lose its purpose.

 

[Garamond]

Oh look, it's that question again.

Is it like 5 new threads about this every week now?

 

[Ace134blue]

For the millionth time, there are no newer CPUs for Mac Pro which makes the update unlikely to happen before Q4.

That would be wrong. The highest end CPU you can get in a mac pro is the X5670.... every cpu above it it is newer..... which is a lot.. New E Series were released Q2 of 2011.. Mac pro cpus were released in Q1 of 2010....

http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=594&MarketSegment=SRV

 

[ActionableMango]

I was trying to get a quick concensus.

A consensus on an Internet forum? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I see you are new here.

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

That would be wrong. The highest end CPU you can get in a mac pro is the X5670.... every cpu above it it is newer..... which is a lot.. New E Series were released Q2 of 2011.. Mac pro cpus were released in Q1 of 2010....

http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=594&MarketSegment=SRV

The question, though, is when will Intel be shipping Sandy Bridge QPI Xeons? As far as I know, Intel has not released details. There are few DMI-based Sandy Bridge Xeons out, obviously intended for limited, single-CPU 1 RU servers, but nothing higher-end. The current Westmere-based Xeons still rule. Intel seems to be doing something with sockets and clocking and overclocking also, so, it isn't clear if a current system (Apple or not) could be upgraded to Sandy Bridge.

In short, if you need it now, buy the current model. But, if you can wait a while, there will likely (likely as far as Apple keeps us all guessing) be a significantly faster model out sometime down the road, and you will probably wish that you had waited

 

[philipma1957]

these are the 4 core cpus for single cpu

Intel® Xeon® Processor W3580
(8M Cache, 3.33 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $999.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3570
(8M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $999.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3565
(8M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $294.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3550
(8M Cache, 3.06 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $294.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3540
(8M Cache, 2.93 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $562.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3530
(8M Cache, 2.80 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $294.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3520
(8M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $284.00 Launched


these are the 6 core cpus for single cpu
Intel Xeon Processor W3690
(12M Cache, 3.46 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 6C / 12T Yes Yes $999.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3680
(12M Cache, 3.33 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 6C / 12T Yes Yes $999.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3670
(12M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 6C / 12T Yes Yes $583.00 Launched


They could bump the pro
base would be a W3565
next a W3670
then a W3690

They could add a better video card.
For dual core they could boost the hexs and drop the quads.
No T-bolt
Then do a fuller upgrade in DEC or JAN

No confirmed info as of today. If they want to do the above it would be easy for them to do so.

 

[sbb155]

these are the 4 core cpus for single cpu

Intel® Xeon® Processor W3580
(8M Cache, 3.33 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $999.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3570
(8M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $999.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3565
(8M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $294.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3550
(8M Cache, 3.06 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $294.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3540
(8M Cache, 2.93 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $562.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3530
(8M Cache, 2.80 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $294.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3520
(8M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 4C / 8T Yes Yes $284.00 Launched


these are the 6 core cpus for single cpu
Intel Xeon Processor W3690
(12M Cache, 3.46 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 6C / 12T Yes Yes $999.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3680
(12M Cache, 3.33 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 6C / 12T Yes Yes $999.00 Launched
Intel® Xeon® Processor W3670
(12M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 4.80 GT/s Intel® QPI) No 130 Watts 6C / 12T Yes Yes $583.00 Launched


They could bump the pro
base would be a W3565
next a W3670
then a W3690

They could add a better video card.
For dual core they could boost the hexs and drop the quads.
No T-bolt
Then do a fuller upgrade in DEC or JAN

No confirmed info as of today. If they want to do the above it would be easy for them to do so.

Yep. There are plenty of options for upgrade. I laugh when I see people writing that there are no processors to upgrade to. Duh.

 

[JesterJJZ]

I get more annoyed by people responding so a-holingly to a repeat thread. Big deal, just ignore it if it bothers you so much. No harm done. No need to be rude to the original poster.

This is the biggest problem on these boards if you ask me.

 

[tamvly]

+1 for Jester

 

[nanofrog]

Since next week is the big show with Mr Jobs himself making the speech why not wait until June 6th like the rest of us will.

Going by this article from the front page, I seriously doubt there will even be a speed bump from the existing line of CPU's currently used in the MP.

The indications are it's focused on Lion, iOS 5, and iCloud. Now I realize that some could conclude that Lion could be the opening for a MP introduction, but given it's market size, I don't think so, as they've not done this at WWDC for a couple of years or so now.

For the millionth time, there are no newer CPUs for Mac Pro which makes the update unlikely to happen before Q4.

In terms of a new series, absolutely not. Suitable Sandy Bridge Xeons aren't out yet, and aren't due until Q4 as you've mentioned.

Unfortunately, I don't see speed bumps in the base CPU's either (from the existing CPU families currently used in the MP), as I suspect the market is way too small.

The Answer is 42 of Course

One of my favorite movies (and just saw it again the other day).

My post is not the first time multiple people have essentially posted the same question. I was trying to get a quick consensus.

I understand, but your first post clearly indicates that you didn't bother to search first. So when members see threads like this over and over again in such a rapid succession, they get tired of it, and their responses could come off a bit rude (most that have reached this point would likely choose not to post).

Please understand, the point of my post is to give you a perspective of this from the other side, not out of mean spiritedness.

A consensus on an Internet forum? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I see you are new here.

Yep. There are plenty of options for upgrade. I laugh when I see people writing that there are no processors to upgrade to. Duh.

As every new model since the Intel switch has occurred with the release of new CPU's (different families), it's not seen as a new model. What speed bumps have occurred, have been silent as well (the only one I can think of, is the replacement of the top end SP part in the 2009 that silently shifted from 3.2GHz to 3.3GHz).

 

[aaaaaaron]

The indications are it's focused on Lion, iOS 5, and iCloud. Now I realize that some could conclude that Lion could be the opening for a MP introduction, but given it's market size, I don't think so, as they've not done this at WWDC for a couple of years or so now.

Maybe they will surprise us and update the MP. Imagine with me if you will... "One more thing... we still care about people who use MPs, so here's a way new, more awesome, and more affordable one!!!!"

...probably not though

 

[Psychomacuser]

New SB Mac Pros - I believe March or April 2012 at best.. actually there is some proof to this.. but then again Apple doesn't really care much for the Mac Pro.. one just has to see Nanofrogs' postings to see why this is so. The Mac Pro refresh will prob just be a speed bump using SB processors and I expect prob no thunderbolt either.

 

[nanofrog]

Maybe they will surprise us and update the MP. Imagine with me if you will... "One more thing... we still care about people who use MPs, so here's a way new, more awesome, and more affordable one!!!!"

...probably not though

If they did, that "One more thing..." would more likely be FCP X if it's anything t do with the MP IMO, not a new machine.

And forget the more affordable part... They want their margins, even if it means people have to sell of their entire family's 2nd kidney.

 

[Hellhammer]

That would be wrong. The highest end CPU you can get in a mac pro is the X5670.... every cpu above it it is newer..... which is a lot.. New E Series were released Q2 of 2011.. Mac pro cpus were released in Q1 of 2010....

http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=594&MarketSegment=SRV

Xeon E7 lineup succeeded the Xeon 7500 lineup and Mac Pros have never used 7000-series Xeons. 7000-series CPUs are meant for MP setup (even though there are a few DP CPUs in the E7 lineup as well) and their price should be enough to tell you that they aren't for Mac Pro.

Xeon E3 succeeded the Xeon 3400 lineup and Mac Pros have never used 3400-series Xeons, only 3500 and 3600 series from Intel's SP CPU lineup. Since they use DMI, there is no option for DP CPUs, making them not ideal for Mac Pro because the whole lineup could not be updated. The chipset is also worse than what the current X58 offers (less PCIe lanes, no triple-channel...).

The CPUs that will succeed 3500, 3600 and 5600 series Xeons used in current Mac Pros won't be out until Q4.

The only possible bump Apple could do is to increase the clock speed by a multiplier or two but when looking at the past, they haven't really done it. Besides, a slight increase in clock speed shouldn't be anyone's deal-breaker.

 

[ValSalva]

I can see a processor bump and some way Apple would make Thunderbolt available. But that would not really count as a new Mac Pro.

The new Mac Pros will have Sandy Bridge processors, will be released in Q4 of 2011 or Q1 of 2012, and will cost three arms and two legs.

 

[Ace134blue]

Xeon E7 lineup succeeded the Xeon 7500 lineup and Mac Pros have never used 7000-series Xeons. 7000-series CPUs are meant for MP setup (even though there are a few DP CPUs in the E7 lineup as well) and their price should be enough to tell you that they aren't for Mac Pro.

Xeon E3 succeeded the Xeon 3400 lineup and Mac Pros have never used 3400-series Xeons, only 3500 and 3600 series from Intel's SP CPU lineup. Since they use DMI, there is no option for DP CPUs, making them not ideal for Mac Pro because the whole lineup could not be updated. The chipset is also worse than what the current X58 offers (less PCIe lanes, no triple-channel...).

The CPUs that will succeed 3500, 3600 and 5600 series Xeons used in current Mac Pros won't be out until Q4.

The only possible bump Apple could do is to increase the clock speed by a multiplier or two but when looking at the past, they haven't really done it. Besides, a slight increase in clock speed shouldn't be anyone's deal-breaker.

The mac pro could be upgraded to the 8 cores ie X6550 and as for the the single socket mac pros, yes they could upgrade to the new E-Series, either E3/E7, both which would be a noticable upgrade. No triple channel channel is not a big deal as it as been proven that even the i7 2600K has more memory bandwidth than all previous i7s with triple channel. PCIe channels could be added with the NF200 chip. The low end MP could use the E3 while higher end could use E7 series. Even one of the slowest CPUs is faster and cheaper than the fastest current CPU in the MP. E7-2820 vs X5670.. 8-Cores 16 threads vs 6 cores 12-threads. That would show quite a difference in multithreaded applications.

 

[snberk103]

I bought the last G5 desktop Mac before they started using the Intel processors. With everything from ilife to Lion requiring Intel systems I need to buy a new desktop but know Apple must be getting close releasing new models. Anyone care to estimate when that will be?

Only God and Jobs knows the answer, and neither of them are talking.

However, if you can possibly wait - do so. I think waiting for a Thunderbolt enabled MP is going to be worth the wait. There will be all sorts of interesting things (potentially) that will be developed for the TB port. And a MP lacking a TB will be worth far less on the secondary market once the TB enabled MPs are released.

The Answer is 42 of Course

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