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This is what they finished should have looked like this year - stunning.
 

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As much as I want to do a Leonardo/Halo theme- I think I'll go caseless on the 17PM and hope I dont regret it
 
Apple's phones since the X have poorly designed bodies for being far too slippery. Personally, I think metal and glass body phones are stupid. My phone is a tool, not jewelry. Just make them out of high quality plastic. I never had to use a case with my Nexus 5 or Sony Xperia Compacts.

That said, Apple could design the phones to not be slippery. Texture like knurling could be added to the metal or glass that would make for better hand grip but still faciliate sliding the phone out of the pocket. But then they'd lose revenue from lost case sales and damage repair. It's worse than neglect - they profit from poor design.

This - profit - BTW is also IMO why they increase screen sizes every. damn. year. If they kept the screen size the same, the phones would look even more the same than they already do, which would make them appear less new and worthy of an upgrade. The point isn't for it to be obvious. It's for it to be incremental, so you notice the screen seems a little nicer without it registering that it's much bigger.

I prefer iPhones overall to Android, but IMO they are well designed for Apple profit - poorly designed for ease of carry and secure grip.

If you like plastic phones, an iphone is surely not for you. Why are you on this forum then?😅
 
These beautiful iPhones arent meant to be in a case IMO. I am in the upgrade program as well so have AppleCare+ and trade my phones every year
True...but it all comes down to how clumsy each person is. If you are one to be accident proned, get a case...even m if it's a clear case so you can still admire the phone.
 
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Someone drops a phone and it dents and they’re surprised? It’s not rocket science and just the laws of physics.

Even if you drop the stainless steel or titanium versions, at the right angle and enough height, they’re also gonna be damaged.

Rock it caseless and take the risk. Or buy a rugged case so it never comes off and can survive drops from a 10 storey building.
 
Someone drops a phone and it dents and they’re surprised? It’s not rocket science and just the laws of physics.

Even if you drop the stainless steel or titanium versions, at the right angle and enough height, they’re also gonna be damaged.

Rock it caseless and take the risk. Or buy a rugged case so it never comes off and can survive drops from a 10 storey building.

ie all the things you could think of to avoid the point that these aluminium Pros are made of a material that might be vastly more susceptible to wear or damage than the previous ones.
 
Iphones are super slick without a case or a grippy skin it will eventually slide across something, they really didnt design for grip
 
ie all the things you could think of to avoid the point that these aluminium Pros are made of a material that might be vastly more susceptible to wear or damage than the previous ones.
If you want to use your phone without a case and avoid damage, get a JCB or CAT tough phone.

I’ve seen plenty of titanium iPhones shattered, so they’re still relatively fragile.

The new iPhone 17 Pro is designed for performance; that’s why Apple used aluminium, which is a better conductor of heat.
 
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If you want to use your phone without a case and avoid damage, get a JCB or CAT tough phone.

I’ve seen plenty of titanium iPhones shattered, so they’re still relatively fragile.

The new iPhone 17 Pro is designed for performance; that’s why Apple used aluminium, which is a better conductor of heat.
And it’s cheaper to produce, let’s not forget that either. I do get they are in it to make a profit. But aluminium is a step back in terms of the previous stainless steel and titanium models.
 
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And it’s cheaper to produce, let’s not forget that either. I do get they are in it to make a profit. But aluminium is a step back in terms of the previous stainless steel and titanium models.
The counterbalance is that this year’s Pro model is actually a Pro. It provides the best possible performance at the cost of premium materials.

If you aren’t in it for the performance, get an Air?
 
And it’s cheaper to produce, let’s not forget that either. I do get they are in it to make a profit. But aluminium is a step back in terms of the previous stainless steel and titanium models.
I believe this year's iPhone 17 pro and pro max is targeted for those who shoot video and make movies with their iphones. Therefore, the phone will not overheat during heavy use. But everybody else is buying them because they look cool and they have a bigger battery and that's what most people actually care about. Not many care about the camera or photography In a professional manner. The commercial that they show for the pro models shows photographers using it to film in extreme conditions & using ProRez Raw. So apparently that's who they're targeting for their audience for this phone.
 
The news about the phone being aluminum dropped when the phone was announced (maybe sooner?). When we purchased the phones we had 14 days to return, during which countless videos surfaced regarding the scratching. If the material bothers anyone they should absolutely take advantage of the return policy. For me, I always use a case and screen protector. I’m constantly moving at work and have dropped my phone many times, so need the extra protection. The only phone I ever scratched was outside of its case when it happened. Nice to have choices. If Ti is your thing, get the air.
 
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If you want to use your phone without a case and avoid damage, get a JCB or CAT tough phone.

I’ve seen plenty of titanium iPhones shattered, so they’re still relatively fragile.

The new iPhone 17 Pro is designed for performance; that’s why Apple used aluminium, which is a better conductor of heat.

I've used an iPhone 11, 13PM, 14PM, 15PM and now Air, all caseless, never had a single incident of visible damage.

I'm not convinced that titanium side rails are THAT bad for heat dissipation. Using more aluminium on the back instead of glass and having a vapour chamber is already a big improvement for thermal performance. The A19 Pro is also extraordinary - the iPhone Air runs very cool despite its titanium, glass, and thinness, and I can't help but think people are missing how important the chip is to how well the 17 Pros perform this year.

I saw quite a few people saying "wow the vapour chamber is amazing, my 17 Pro didn't heat up at all during setup". Meanwhile I'm over here like yeah my iPhone Air didn't heat up at all during setup either, it's not the vapour chamber, it's the chip.
 
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I've used an iPhone 11, 13PM, 14PM, 15PM and now Air, all caseless, never had a single incident of visible damage.

I'm not convinced that titanium side rails are THAT bad for heat dissipation. Using more aluminium on the back instead of glass and having a vapour chamber is already a big improvement for thermal performance. The A19 Pro is also extraordinary - the iPhone Air runs very cool despite its titanium, glass, and thinness, and I can't help but think people are missing how important the chip is to how well the 17 Pros perform this year.

I saw quite a few people saying "wow the vapour chamber is amazing, my 17 Pro didn't heat up at all during setup". Meanwhile I'm over here like yeah my iPhone Air didn't heat up at all during setup either, it's not the vapour chamber, it's the chip.
That’s great, drop it on concrete, like a lot of people have, and you’ll have bumps and scrapes like any other phone.

I guess we’ll never be sure to what extent the aluminium body assists in dissipating heat when compared with titanium. I do know the Pro runs a lot cooler than the Air when maxed out.

There are many benchmarks which show the Air throttling under sustained load whilst the Pro runs a lot cooler. This is obviously not a surprise to anybody given the design philosophy of both phones.
 
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That’s great, drop it on concrete, like a lot of people have, and you’ll have bumps and scrapes like any other phone.

That is moving the goalposts a bit. You said if you want to go caseless and avoid damage, get a different kind of phone. I told you I've used iPhones caseless for 7 years without any damage and now you're saying to drop it on concrete?

I guess we’ll never be sure to what extent the aluminium body assists in dissipating heat when compared with titanium. I do know the Pro runs a lot cooler than the Air when maxed out.

There are many benchmarks which show the Air throttling under sustained load whilst the Pro runs a lot cooler. This is obviously not a surprise to anybody given the design philosophy of both phones.

Of course the Air throttles more. It's the same chip in a way smaller chassis and no vapour chamber.
 
That is moving the goalposts a bit. You said if you want to go caseless and avoid damage, get a different kind of phone. I told you I've used iPhones caseless for 7 years without any damage and now you're saying to drop it on concrete?



Of course the Air throttles more. It's the same chip in a way smaller chassis and no vapour chamber.
Not really, if you go caseless either pray you don't drop your phone or accept that you'll end up with some cosmetic damage or worse. I don't like cosmetic damage so I use a case.

That's great, the Pro isn't for you then if materials matter so much. I am looking for peak performance so the 17 Pro is likely going to be my next iPhone.
 
Not really, if you go caseless either pray you don't drop your phone or accept that you'll end up with some cosmetic damage or worse. I don't like cosmetic damage so I use a case.

That's great, the Pro isn't for you then if materials matter so much. I am looking for peak performance so the 17 Pro is likely going to be my next iPhone.
Just remember for the person that goes caseless, accidents do happen, and it only takes one time for that to happen even after a number of years without doing so. 🙈
 
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Not really, if you go caseless either pray you don't drop your phone or accept that you'll end up with some cosmetic damage or worse. I don't like cosmetic damage so I use a case.

I don't pray I don't drop my phone. I literally don't think about it at all, and I've had a couple small drops from couch height on to wooden floors I guess a couple times a year and just never had a single instance of even cosmetic damage.

That's great, the Pro isn't for you then if materials matter so much. I am looking for peak performance so the 17 Pro is likely going to be my next iPhone.

Well yeah, they stopped putting the premium materials in the Pro and put them in the Air instead.

I've been doing this tech thing for so long that my perspective has changed. I'm not looking for peak performance, I'm looking for the right performance. The difference in performance between the Air and Pro in a phone form factor, on a phone OS, makes 0 difference to me. There is no game or app or use case on a phone where that is going to make a practical difference. Both are so good that it's meaningless to me.

I still wouldn't mind the extra battery life or extra lenses though.

You can't really say that there are only two types of users and one type is served perfectly by the Air and the other is served perfectly by the Pro.
 
I don't pray I don't drop my phone. I literally don't think about it at all, and I've had a couple small drops from couch height on to wooden floors I guess a couple times a year and just never had a single instance of even cosmetic damage.



Well yeah, they stopped putting the premium materials in the Pro and put them in the Air instead.

I've been doing this tech thing for so long that my perspective has changed. I'm not looking for peak performance, I'm looking for the right performance. The difference in performance between the Air and Pro in a phone form factor, on a phone OS, makes 0 difference to me. There is no game or app or use case on a phone where that is going to make a practical difference. Both are so good that it's meaningless to me.

I still wouldn't mind the extra battery life or extra lenses though.

You can't really say that there are only two types of users and one type is served perfectly by the Air and the other is served perfectly by the Pro.
agree, stainless and titanium models took a good amount of abuse without any signs of damage. The aluminum will show wear and tear at a much lighter threshold, and this is already plainly evident.
 
So I’m eating my own words.

I was trying out the Nomad leather back at home and loved how amazing it felt. I was tapping away on the screen on the coffee table and then the phone fell off the edge and hit the leg of the table. Now there’s a 2mm dent

I have AppleCare+ and always have a case when out and about but obviously it’s not safe even at home with my clumsy hands.

It’s totally my own fault and I took the risk and suffered for it.

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