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You do realize that Apple is entirely dependent upon companies like Samsung to create and develop screen technology?

Where did I say that I don't realize that?

Where do you think Apple saw curved screens prior to 2013? Hint: It wasn't in Palo Alto or Sunnyvale.
As for having a partially or fully curved screens, that point is moot. Samsung and LG have both developed flexible displays with multiple orientations.

Exactly, so why did you try to make it sound like "Apple is copying the Edge"?
 

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Those other things you mention are very useful, curved screens not so much. I owned the s6 edge plus for a couple of days, I didn't fall in love with it. It was too easy to touch those edge screens and activate the phone, I found myself constantly doing that. The most functional aspect was having shortcuts and contacts on the edge, but you could do that with the non edge phones as well so I don't see that as being an unique perk to the edge models at all.

Honestly it felt like a gimmick to me as well. Now of course maybe someone will come along and make a killer app that utilizes that edge, but so far I haven't seen anything particularly functional about it, certainly not at the level of the other things you mentioned. It's great for design, beautiful and unique, and I think Samsung is smart to cater to those markets as in many aspects Apple products are a bit primitive functionally but beautiful and well made. Although IMO Samsung should have married the Note and edge series and consolidated all their money and hard work into a single model line, regular and +.
The Edge is simply a stepping stone for Samsung imo. You'll notice they started with a mild curve to the whole screen. Then, one side was curved and interactive. Then both sides were curved and interactive. Next iteration may go entirely flexible? To me it seems like Samsung is moving slowly to that end goal.
 

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Where did I say that I don't realize that?



Exactly, so why did you try to make it sound like "Apple is copying the Edge"?
Actually, what they copied is Samsung Youm project, which became the Edge.

I'll let you read about. Please note that this was shown to the public in Jan of 2013. Samsung was showing off other prototypes before then. And this is why I said what I said.
Link: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/9/3855638/samsung-shows-off-curved-oled-phone-prototype
 

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Copying is a dirty word if the context isn't understood. If Samsung didn't want others to draw inspiration for their technologies, they wouldn't be leaking pictures of prototypes. Plus asking a company to copy itself is a little amusing.

These companies all know what key features are coming to the market and it's simply a case of one doing it first. Is it copying? To us the consumers maybe it appears like that, but we never know how far along development has gone on.
 
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Copying is a dirty word if the context isn't understood. If Samsung didn't want others to draw inspiration for their technologies, they wouldn't be leaking pictures of prototypes. Plus asking a company to copy itself is a little amusing.

These companies all know what key features are coming to the market and it's simply a case of one doing it first. Is it copying? To us the consumers maybe it appears like that, but we never know how far along development has gone on.
When it comes to screen technology, no company can really compete with Samsung. LG does to an extent, but Apple wouldn't be selling an iPhone without Samsung. It is ironic that Apple applies for a patent for a bendable screen, but has no way to bring such a concept to market without Samsung (which is the company spending billions in R&D developing such screen tech). Besides, I have a feeling that if Samsung asks the USPTO to invalidate the patent, the USPTO would. And if not, Samsung could ensure such tech isn't FRAND and prevent Apple from ever being able to use it.
 

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When it comes to screen technology, no company can really compete with Samsung. LG does to an extent, but Apple wouldn't be selling an iPhone without Samsung. It is ironic that Apple applies for a patent for a bendable screen, but has no way to bring such a concept to market without Samsung (which is the company spending billions in R&D developing such screen tech). Besides, I have a feeling that if Samsung asks the USPTO to invalidate the patent, the USPTO would. And if not, Samsung could ensure such tech isn't FRAND and prevent Apple from ever being able to use it.
I think everybody and their dog knows Samsung make screens for Apple but you do realise Apple invest an awful lot of money into a private division of Samsung that fulfils their quota. A patent would stand and it would be Samsung developing the technology. They just would not be legally allowed to apply such technologies to their own branded devices. Business can work like that mate.
 

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I think everybody and their dog knows Samsung make screens for Apple but you do realise Apple invest an awful lot of money into a private division of Samsung that fulfils their quota. A patent would stand and it would be Samsung developing the technology. They just would not be legally allowed to apply such technologies to their own branded devices. Business can work like that mate.

Don't LG make iPhone displays?
 

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I think everybody and their dog knows Samsung make screens for Apple but you do realise Apple invest an awful lot of money into a private division of Samsung that fulfils their quota. A patent would stand and it would be Samsung developing the technology. They just would not be legally allowed to apply such technologies to their own branded devices. Business can work like that mate.
Apple pays for screens, not the R&D behind it. The tech is owned and developed entirey by Samsung. The two are not one in the same, mate.
If Samsung chooses to make flexible screens for their phones and not sell to anyone, it is excluded from being FRAND. Apple would either be forced to not use the tech or go to another supplier (like LG, who have proven they can't match the volume or QA of Samsung). So again, this is just Apple throwing patents at the USPTO and trying to see what sticks. This is one that wouldn't. Much like their patent that was a complete copy of Google's Street View or the cloned patent of OnStar's car tracking system. You'll also notice how Apple only applies these patents to the USPTO and not to external patent offices outside the US?
 

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I actually do like the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge in platinum gold. But yeah, that sided edge still seems too gimmicky so far like the Nintendo Wii was with that WiiMote. What I don't like is losing removable battery. I check out all of the brands and only LG seems to be the only reputable OEM to still offer it. And I'm still not convinced with where Google is heading with Android's design.

I think smartphones are like automobiles. I don't expect drastic exterior changes every year. Only refinements to what works. Even the once great phone designer, HTC, had to play out the One M7 design as their Desire series is starting to like their Ones. Sony's Z5 are uglier than their Z3's and M5. LG only refined the G3 design with the G4 with the customizable backs that Moto Maker and OnePlus offered. Motorola seems to sporting the same design language across E, G, and X since 2013 Moto X and G. The iPhone 6 series has got be one the ugliest iPhones but also the most comfortable to hold since the 3G series.

We live in the oversized, overkill featured smartphone era right now where resolutions gets bigger faster than the storage capacity. This year didn’t excite me much with phone news. What interests me is in the lower-end market and how much some OEM's can pack features into a smaller, cheaper phone. Who knew a Moto E (2nd gen) can outperform a 2012 flagship like a Samsung Galaxy Note II?

The flagship specs of 2013 & 2014 will start trickling down to the budget phones by 2016-2017. I completely IGNORE most flagships these days. You pay more for a better camera and a little faster speed which slows down eventually after software updates but you are getting a large QHD display or higher that you may not feel comfortable at carrying around, still lags, or as crap battery life. If a little iPhone 4/4s can last half a decade for many people and I still see a many using them, I can see myself lasting with a LG G3 Beat with quad core much longer than that.

Wait until 2016 or 2017 to start getting "reasonably sized" budget phones with 2013-2014 flagship specs which are still decent enough to last beyond the next decade. If people actually kmew what was BEST for them or understood the difference between better vs favorites (liking something more), then this era of flagships are overrated, overpriced, oversized, and overkill. It is like the PS3/Xbox 360 era for smartphones.
 
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