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iPad Pro Where does Apple take the iPad Pro now?
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As I’ve been saying since Gen 1 iPad... please move the camera to the landscape position. I’m used to it but it’s still weird looking. Especially, since I’m teaching/in meetings daily now. The MK is another reason moving the camera makes sense. Or have two cameras that auto rotate.
I use my iPad Pro 12” in landscape 99% of the time, and never see the need to rotate it at all.
Onto the future of the iPad Pro, I agree with a lot of the comments on here that it is a mature product and really expect just minor upgrades from now on in for these devices.
It is fast enough for my use [sketching / image research / browsing etc] and am struggling to think of anything I actually need.
If anything I will get an iPad Air as a personal device as the 12” pro is a little big for off the desk use [drawing and research is the primary reason I got it].
It is the apps that are making it better and better these days for me, and am loving how things are progressing. The comment on ‘a big phone’ is simply wrong and tends to be by those who are not using the ipad pro as a productive tool.
I can genuinely say the iPad Pro is my favourite Apple product and love using it every day [and typing this on it right now].
I don’t know, honestly, I really just hope the new iPad Pro comes out next fall so it’ll be on regular schedule and top dog again.
but also more bugs are worked out, plus the A15X would be cooler than the A14... ?
I just want the iPad Pro 5 to have major power and be king again. ??
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0.)Ability to manually use 120 refresh rate, or just for movies or YouTube.
1.) A14-15X
2.) 6-8GB RAM
3.) Mini-LED (as long as bugs are worked out.)
4.) 5 color choices: Space Gray, Light Blue, Gold, Black, and Silver.
5.) Make JUST the Pros out of 7000 series aluminum.
6.) Upgrade to better video and camera specs.
7.) 800 or 1000 nits brightness (if the A14 is as energy efficient as they are claiming) then increasing brightness is doable.
8.) I want even louder better speakers. 9.) I want true quality support for Dolby Vision, Atmos, and HDR 10.
10.) Improve the WiFi chip or something, (WiFi AX is a terrible standard.)
11.) Get rid of stupid LiDAR, or just make that square blob with cameras look better.
12.) Keep price same.
I WISH they got rid of any coatings on the glass that can scratch easily. anti-reflective coating needs to go too.
13.)I’ll take the glass on the XDR display.
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but also more bugs are worked out, plus the A15X would be cooler than the A14... ?
I just want the iPad Pro 5 to have major power and be king again. ??
...
0.)Ability to manually use 120 refresh rate, or just for movies or YouTube.
1.) A14-15X
2.) 6-8GB RAM
3.) Mini-LED (as long as bugs are worked out.)
4.) 5 color choices: Space Gray, Light Blue, Gold, Black, and Silver.
5.) Make JUST the Pros out of 7000 series aluminum.
6.) Upgrade to better video and camera specs.
7.) 800 or 1000 nits brightness (if the A14 is as energy efficient as they are claiming) then increasing brightness is doable.
8.) I want even louder better speakers. 9.) I want true quality support for Dolby Vision, Atmos, and HDR 10.
10.) Improve the WiFi chip or something, (WiFi AX is a terrible standard.)
11.) Get rid of stupid LiDAR, or just make that square blob with cameras look better.
12.) Keep price same.
I WISH they got rid of any coatings on the glass that can scratch easily. anti-reflective coating needs to go too.
13.)I’ll take the glass on the XDR display.
?✌️
This. My elderly mother-in-law had an iphone for about two years when she decided to dump her laptop for a tablet, and the above was the deciding factor in choosing an iPad over, say, a Surface Pro (she was using Windows 10 on her laptop). Jumping from phone to tablet and back more or less seamlessly has been a godsend for her, and for her "family tech guy" son-in-law
For me, aside from the usual spec bumps, more ports (2 x USB-C maybe?) and larger displays is a direction I think they could/should take.
But really, hardward wise, the pro is fine. Made obvious by the fact that even 2 years on, the same chip/design is still being used, even in the most recent releases.
What needs drastically improving and has a long way to go is the software side of things. Sure its possible to hook my ipad pro up to a 4k monitor, but the software can't utilize it properly. For me thats a prime example of where the ipad pro is severely lacking still. I'd love to do more on mine but I just can't, there's no multi-monitor support, no xCode, still locked down by App Store limitations and non-public APIs (JIT/Emulation/VMs).
As it stands currently no new display technology, 5G radio or RAM/Processor improvements will cause me to purchase a new ipad pro - there's just no point, I can't utilize it properly. It still at the end of the day boils down to a really expensive powerhouse web browser/media player....
Sure, some will say the things I listed above would just turn the iPad pro into a 'mac', and honestly, that is what I want - I want a mac in an ipad form factor. I don't want a macbook that has a constantly attached keyboard - it doesn't work as a media consumption device, but I also don't see the point in needing to carry round a macbook when almost the exact same hardware could be/will be put into a ipad pro at some point.
Unfortunately I don't think any of this will come to pass as is, I expect they'll be some new product line that achieves what I need, its just going to be a long wait. Touch for MacOS is inevitable no matter what anyone says, that or MacOS will be replaced with something that is touch enabled, yes it might not be in the next 5 years but its happening. We will soon be at a point where some peoples experience of technology will be completely touch oriented and will have never used a traditional mouse/keyboard.
But really, hardward wise, the pro is fine. Made obvious by the fact that even 2 years on, the same chip/design is still being used, even in the most recent releases.
What needs drastically improving and has a long way to go is the software side of things. Sure its possible to hook my ipad pro up to a 4k monitor, but the software can't utilize it properly. For me thats a prime example of where the ipad pro is severely lacking still. I'd love to do more on mine but I just can't, there's no multi-monitor support, no xCode, still locked down by App Store limitations and non-public APIs (JIT/Emulation/VMs).
As it stands currently no new display technology, 5G radio or RAM/Processor improvements will cause me to purchase a new ipad pro - there's just no point, I can't utilize it properly. It still at the end of the day boils down to a really expensive powerhouse web browser/media player....
Sure, some will say the things I listed above would just turn the iPad pro into a 'mac', and honestly, that is what I want - I want a mac in an ipad form factor. I don't want a macbook that has a constantly attached keyboard - it doesn't work as a media consumption device, but I also don't see the point in needing to carry round a macbook when almost the exact same hardware could be/will be put into a ipad pro at some point.
Unfortunately I don't think any of this will come to pass as is, I expect they'll be some new product line that achieves what I need, its just going to be a long wait. Touch for MacOS is inevitable no matter what anyone says, that or MacOS will be replaced with something that is touch enabled, yes it might not be in the next 5 years but its happening. We will soon be at a point where some peoples experience of technology will be completely touch oriented and will have never used a traditional mouse/keyboard.
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But what you are descibing could just be the 'ipad' and 'ipad air'. It doesn't need to restrict the ipad 'pro'.
No one expecting a 'big iphone' is going straight in and buying an ipad pro. Even if they are, theres no reason you couldn't have options to lesser the restrictions on ipad pros, similar to what they currently do on MacOS.
As self-considered heavy user of the iPad Pro, I don’t expect drastic changes from hardware stand point also (except of course more spec bumps on the SoC), but rather more software and external peripheral devices full compatibility such as external monitors with full screen support and better r/w speed rate to external HDD / SSD, or even external GPU, that would be awesome.
Because as a Creative and video maker, many people and I find iPad Pro’s environment is more suiting with the display and pencil quality, creative apps support and portability. I complete my daily work 80% on the iPad now instead on my MacBook Pro.
Thus full blown pro level apps is more important to me, like Final Cut Pro, full Adobe’s suits, Capture One, etc.
And maybe some extend to add-on hardware would also be great for more creative productivity such as maybe external pro grade lens extension for the camera?
Apple made it clearer now with iPad series taglines for each models.
The Pro should be for Professional (mainly Creatives).
The Air is for casual user who wants the best performance.
The regular iPad is for the ones who seeks value and affordability.
The Mini is for extra portability / practicality.
Because as a Creative and video maker, many people and I find iPad Pro’s environment is more suiting with the display and pencil quality, creative apps support and portability. I complete my daily work 80% on the iPad now instead on my MacBook Pro.
Thus full blown pro level apps is more important to me, like Final Cut Pro, full Adobe’s suits, Capture One, etc.
And maybe some extend to add-on hardware would also be great for more creative productivity such as maybe external pro grade lens extension for the camera?
Apple made it clearer now with iPad series taglines for each models.
The Pro should be for Professional (mainly Creatives).
The Air is for casual user who wants the best performance.
The regular iPad is for the ones who seeks value and affordability.
The Mini is for extra portability / practicality.
I’d expect the next iPad Pro to boast what Apple calls its xdr screen. So other than more ram and faster tweaking of A14, and 5g, this is the big deal.
Only iPad with hdr. This alone is worth the upgrade. And worth ignoring the iPad Air.
And nope im not using pro apps (lol) on an iPad. It’s purely entertainment or as a companion device with the Mac. But screen matters and enhances that experience.
Only iPad with hdr. This alone is worth the upgrade. And worth ignoring the iPad Air.
And nope im not using pro apps (lol) on an iPad. It’s purely entertainment or as a companion device with the Mac. But screen matters and enhances that experience.
I’m not sure if there are any professional displays for content creation devices like the iPad Pro that also feature consumer features like extra deep blacks, HDR etc, on demand. They usually are either great for creating or for consumption. Let’s hope there is a middle ground to satisfy both use cases.
May well mirror the iPhone and Mac line up strategy.
Any new technology will first come to the IPP Pro before the iPad, iPad mini and iPad Air. They will be more powerful and support Pro Apps better (remember Xcode and Final Cut are supposed to be coming to iPad) as will have more RAM. Students, families and average user would be best suited to buying an entry to mid tier iPad. Those that need more or want the very best specs can buy the iPad Pro. If you want a MacBook then that will follow same pathway.
Any new technology will first come to the IPP Pro before the iPad, iPad mini and iPad Air. They will be more powerful and support Pro Apps better (remember Xcode and Final Cut are supposed to be coming to iPad) as will have more RAM. Students, families and average user would be best suited to buying an entry to mid tier iPad. Those that need more or want the very best specs can buy the iPad Pro. If you want a MacBook then that will follow same pathway.
External screen support! That would be the final step towards making it a true desktop/laptop alternative.
I'm guessing they won't since it'll cannibalize Mac sales..
I'm guessing they won't since it'll cannibalize Mac sales..
As long as you cannibalize your own rather than give those sales to the competition, I don’t think Apple has a problem with that. The iPhone absolutely cannibalized the iPod market, for example. We see more and more people replacing other computers with iPads on the iPad forum, so there’s probably momentum on that direction still.
Sorry I forgot to mention that of course I agree, external display support right now is a joke and should be on the level of Apple’s notebooks and desktops. Fingers crossed we will see it one day.
So many great things said.
For the Pro: I would like improved latency for the pencil, more RAM and the same great antenna design, if not better. Briefly owned the 2020 11" Pro and enjoyed the additional RAM, pencil 2 and fantastic internet connectivity the most. That Pro had the best internet reception of any Apple product I own.
Otherwise, the new Air scratches most of my itches, the only issue is value now. The Pro is far better specced (save for storage size versus the 256gb Air). If I buy an Air, will definitely wait on sales. A 256gb WiFi Air for $625 or less would be great.
For the Pro: I would like improved latency for the pencil, more RAM and the same great antenna design, if not better. Briefly owned the 2020 11" Pro and enjoyed the additional RAM, pencil 2 and fantastic internet connectivity the most. That Pro had the best internet reception of any Apple product I own.
Otherwise, the new Air scratches most of my itches, the only issue is value now. The Pro is far better specced (save for storage size versus the 256gb Air). If I buy an Air, will definitely wait on sales. A 256gb WiFi Air for $625 or less would be great.
One could say similar of MacBook Air and MacBook Pro. The fundamentals of general-purpose computing devices, regardless of OS, tend to have more in common than differences when you compare models. After that it's a matter of speed, quality, type and number of ports, etc. People around here are endlessly debating what Apple means by "Pro;" I won't rehash it here.
People certainly do go straight in and buy an iPad Pro. Sometimes it's because it's what they need based on a logical assessment of their technical requirements, sometimes it's because they want and can afford "the best," or want the largest display... Sometimes there's a unique capability, but those don't always remain unique (such as the Magic Keyboard).
For a time, iPad Pro stood on its own based on its capabilities. iPad Air was a "better" version of the standard iPad. At this point in time, iPad Air has moved closer to being iPad Pro Lite. My feeling is we'll see what next year's iPad Pro look like. I have a suspicion that Apple will find some way to make them a bit more "pro" in order to re-open the gap between Air and Pro. With Mac moving to Apple Silicon, I'd think that whatever they come up with will clearly distinguish iPad from Mac rather than move them closer together.
"Lesser restrictions" like macOS for the Pro? No, just not going to happen. iOS/iPadOS are locked down for fundamental reasons. Any loosening of the bonds is going to be across the board - either it's justifiable for all users, or none. The idea that there would be an iPadOS fork that runs solely on iPad Pro to deliver the "freedoms" offered by desktop OSes.... nope.
As to multi-display support? I love working with multiple displays on my Mac - it's a seamless extension of my workspace. To have that on iPad requires multiple touchscreens within arms reach (no, I will not start using a mouse or trackpad on iPad just for the sake of an extended desktop). Tethering multiple iPads might work. What I don't think works from a business standpoint is offering a display-only product - an iPad-sized display would have to cost nearly as much as an iPad. Larger touchscreen displays run afoul of the arm fatigue problem.
Certainly, Apple could also provide dual-display without touchscreen - it'd work well in classrooms, for Powerpoint/Keynote presentations, running videos up on the big screen while multitasking on the small screen... basically, large external displays that require a minimum of user intervention, because once those displays are beyond arm's reach, touchscreen doesn't work. The user could lock a particular workspace to the external display and then be free to switch workspaces on the iPad.
I agree, but you just changed the context. It is unlikely someone that has no idea what the iPad is, I.e believes it is a blown up iPhone, is jumping in straight to the pro model. And even the small amount that are - who cares? The cheap iPad is the best selling model for a reason.
No one said anything about forking the entire OS. Though for the record, iPadOS already has features that are not in iOS.
I said options to lessen the restrictions, like ‘run unsigned apps’ or an iPad equivalent. Similar to how you can run downloaded shortcuts at the moment (obviously this would be even more ‘Troubling’ to the average user).
You realise that the iPad apps allowing cursor support started when Apple released a product with a trackpad back in May right? There is absolutely no reason any extended desktop feature for the iPad has to be touch only, or even touch primary. This is pretty obvious based on the way that the magic keyboard is not really portable - it’s more of a dock.
They are further pushing this with iPhone/iPad apps coming to the Mac. Either the Mac gains touch input or the iphone/iPad apps gain cursor support. Otherwise users are going to have a terrible time using the million+ apps Apple instantly adds to Mac.
As I said, it’s most likely going to be a new product line that no one here could think of yet, and it probably isn’t in the short term. Buts it’s going to happen sooner or later. I don’t care if it’s a Mac with touch input that no longer requires a keyboard or an iPad with lesser restrictions - either Apple does the latter or the next generation who grew up primarily on touch creates the former, it’s just a matter of when.
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Apple has been pretty consistent about referring to the MK as an optional accessory. And iPads have traditionally portrait-first devices (eg. Apple logo), so moving the camera to landscape position would send a pretty mixed message. But Apple has changed their tune before so who knows.
It’s true that kids grow up using their touch phones, but they also primarily use traditional (mouse and keyboard) computers for school. Just from what I’ve seen and read, I get the impression they aren’t all that sold on iPads, and still see them as an in between device. So I’m doubtful they will be a strong driving force for a touch Mac or Mac-like experience.