Well, yes. My definition of 'unfinished software' is 'software that feels beta, or software that has known major bugs'.
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Well, yes. My definition of 'unfinished software' is 'software that feels beta, or software that has known major bugs'.
Just because OS X Mavericks had 8 DP's does not mean Yosemite has to stop at 8 as well. You have to take in mind that Mavericks had no UI overhaul at all, it was just feature focused. Mavericks needed less work than Yosemite.
There are rumours that there will be a DP 9 today or at 10th October but it's all speculation.
With each DP they have released, old bugs gets fixed and new ones arrive when they add in new stuff so if they made a GM for developers now and that had many bugs due to all the new stuff they add, it will just make things worse for them. When Yosemite is completely re-designed and everything looks great, then we can expect a GM. Probably late October.
Either way, Yosemite has still far to go to even enter GM state. Apple is not going to leave anything in the old design, they are re-designing everything, even the cursors like they added in DP8.
OS X Yosemite will not feel inconsistent when it releases, so if anything, we can expect more. Just like with iOS 7 and now that iOS 8 has released, Apple has taken engineers from the iOS team to help finish Yosemite in time for the Fall release.
There are rumours that there will be a DP 9 today or at 10th October but it's all speculation.
With each DP they have released, old bugs gets fixed and new ones arrive when they add in new stuff so if they made a GM for developers now and that had many bugs due to all the new stuff they add, it will just make things worse for them. When Yosemite is completely re-designed and everything looks great, then we can expect a GM. Probably late October.
Either way, Yosemite has still far to go to even enter GM state. Apple is not going to leave anything in the old design, they are re-designing everything, even the cursors like they added in DP8.
OS X Yosemite will not feel inconsistent when it releases, so if anything, we can expect more. Just like with iOS 7 and now that iOS 8 has released, Apple has taken engineers from the iOS team to help finish Yosemite in time for the Fall release.
Right now it is still not consistent... Whatever that's on Dashboard is still pretty much has 3D elements on it... Regardless buggy or not Apple is gonna GM it by October, and I'm inclined to believe it's the former - buggy as hell. Why...? Because of that stupid annual cycle... Which means more bugs plaguing Yosemite will have to be solved by 10.11 whatever name they wanna called. Because some bugs are so deeply-rooted that it requires fundamental changes to be able to iron them out, something which maintenance releases cannot handle. Even bugs from Mavericks 10.9.5 didn't get squashed until Yosemite arrives. That's how low Apple is willing to stoop in terms of QC - for the sake of profit and market share...
Well Apple seems to take design more serious rather than to clean up bugs, if they GM it, it better be one big update that makes it consistent or it will lose it's charm and will just feel like a themed OS X Mavericks.
Just taking a look through CoreTypes in the system files shows how much they still have left out.
Not to mention the poor performance I'm seeing on my brand new Retina MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM. It's a shame when a MacBook Air can run Yosemite more smooth than MacBook Pro.
Apple no longer has enough time to polish the OS for hardware as long as they think they can jam every pieces of component from each end of the power efficiency spectrum - who the heck wanna power a so-called hi-res Retina Display with just a measly Iris Pro, let alone 750m...? Of course non-Ret hardware runs smoother.
And Yosemite means Apple taking design more seriously...? More like they followed a skewed version of Steve's design perfectionism - all thanks to Jony Ive. Someone here did mentioned Apple slapping lipstick onto Yosemite pig and called it brand new. Thanks but no thanks... Eww...!
Again, same arguments every year for all OS X DP's or Beta's.
Just go back one year and look at all the "Mavericks not ready for GM" threads, yet Apple released GM 2 weeks after DP 8.
I'm not saying Yosemite GM will hit this week, it may not. But nobody should expect every issue to be fixed before Apple can declare it GM. They never do.
I'm assuming that we will get a late October release like last time. DP8 has been fairly stable for me, even though there are many areas that needs fixing/tweaking.
The thing with Yosemite is not issues, it's the design overhaul it's going through. Apple didn't release iOS 7 with any trace of the skuemorphism (sorry if I spelled that wrong) in the main OS it self and I don't think Apple will with Yosemite either.
I'm fine with bugs as long as they make it consistent. Comparing last years DP with this years is wrong, considering Mavericks just built up on the same UI with new features.
I don't think we should expect total consistency in Yosemite UI. Apple can still fix certain small UI related issues with point updates later on. Remember that 7.1 made some changes to the UI after 7.0.
iOS 8 didn't have the UI overhaul which iOS7 had and it (iOS7) arguably had far less issues than iOS8 with essentially the whole OS being revamped i.e. 64-bit architecture as well as a complete UI change.
I think there will be at least one more preview release followed by a GM release. I really hope Apple spends time on performance and stability. I can live with a few broken UI elements if I really have to.
But the changes from iOS 6 -> iOS 7 were "fake changes". In many ways it was just a new theme, and much of the stuff that wasn't a simple reskin came out bad enough that it required a pretty extensive 7.1 revision.
But Apple had to release a second GM before public release.
So those threads saying Mavericks was not ready for GM were correct!
Maybe they are waiting MS to announce Windows 9 today. The event starts in 30 minutes
Why would Apple wait on Microsoft before releasing DP 9, or a GM in several more weeks?
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I don't think Yosemite is at the point of a GM, even what we have been using thus far.
LOL, I just looked at a blog for the Windows 9 event and this was a quote from Terry Myerson, Windows chief:"We expect our experiences to just work."
Feel like I've heard that one before......
Sorry, they are calling it Windows 10......
Feel like I've heard that one before......
Sorry, they are calling it Windows 10......
i didn't say GM wouldn't be released today etc. I said that at this point, I don't think Yosemite is at the point for GM.
However BasicGreatGuy, GM being just released, none of use know what changes were made to make it agreeable to the masses. GM may have corrected a number of bugs to make it GM. What do you think ?
It was only a few builds up, and there was basically no difference to be seen. I wouldn't call the first GM "not ready". I used it for a month before "updating" to the release build, and nothing changed for me.