Apple et el, dont pay enough. But there are two side to the coin. Has ever anyone been paid enough? There needed a solution to pirating, and this is a very good solution. There needed an outlet for every musician, not just the ones that will guarantee money for the signer. This is it. The problem is that it’s shifted the onus from the labels on to the streaming providers. That is it.
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Where is the Music "iTunes" store?
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Totally. Streaming is nonsense. I could pay $1300 during a ten year period, listening to several albums from Bruce Springsteen, AC/DC, Roxette, Fleetwood, ABBA, Daft Punk, whatever. And after all those years and that cash I still wouldnt legally own any of it. But still want to hear it. So there goes $4000 for thirty more years. Does that sound like a good move?
Geez and all the new crap that’s pestering the majority of radio channels… it’s what reminds me that a lot of people are, well, not like me.
That's interesting. I'm on a Windows 11 PC, and have the external drive connected to it. Apple Music does nothing, in any way, shape or form. If I had a shotgun handy the PC would be in a thousand pieces by now. 😆
I ended up uninstalling Apple Music/TV/Devices and reinstalled iTunes, stuck the CD in and it popped up the import dialogue.
Interestingly, Windows still has Windows Media Player Legacy for those who still want to rip, which I thought was great. I noticed this after reinstalling iTunes, though the word legacy tells me its days are numbered too.
https://bandcamp.com/about?from=footer
When a fan buys something on Bandcamp, an average of 82% of the money goes to the artist or their label — typically in 24-48 hours — and the remainder covers our revenue share and payment processor fees.
When a fan buys something on Bandcamp, an average of 82% of the money goes to the artist or their label — typically in 24-48 hours — and the remainder covers our revenue share and payment processor fees.
It's 08:46am on Sunday morning here on the Australian east coast. I was only 4 sentences in to your post and I had a smile on my face 🥰
Man oh man I miss the 12" extended mixes of the 80's, and the eargasms that Stock Aitken Waterman produced.
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Sure if you ignore the cost of your time and find ripping enjoyable or easily multi-tasked.
or we could just be intentionally looking for music from the 2000s/2010s to avoid that like I do.
I was in home entertainment and it’s the same thing. We made more money with physical products and streaming is a crap return!
Studios would much prefer we buy physical products but Netflix and others have changed the game and not for a better.
With regards to people saying streaming is cheaper and better value. I completely disagree as it’s better to buy the music you want once and own it… with streaming you are just paying for stuff you could have owned.
2nd hand CDs are super cheap till help build a library as well.
it’s very frustrating how they hide the store! They shouldn’t give us the option to purchase lossless audio tunes
Ha you described me! Class of 2000 and stopped buying music around 2010 on a regular basis… I probably buy 1 or 2 albums a year of new stuff…
I know every generation thinks they had better music but I genuinely believe modern music is crap..
I’m a fan of all music from the 50’s to 2010 and that’s my cut off with the exception of a few modern artists..
What an asinine comment
What makes you believe that you are the arbiter of what music is good or not
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$10/month or whatever to listen to virtually every commercial recording ever released
For the same price you could buy 6 cds a year
Way better value…. Sure…..
I’m 51. I have about 1200 CD’s still, 50 SACD’s, and a SACD Hi-Fi setup. 95% of my CD’s are classical music, 5% musical theatre. I was against streaming at first but now I find it fascinating because when I discover a new composer or artist I can listen to it all at hi-res lossless if it’s newer or mostly even all old albums are lossless. I use Apple Music Classical to stream new music as I compose myself and listen to lots of living composers. I play lots of pop concerts and then I go listen to their albums which are usually new to me, like when we did a Led Zepplin concert I heard their songs/albums for the first time and for Queen I knew a couple hits but I never collected pop music albums. We did a hologram Roy Orbison concert so I listened to his stuff. This season we are doing Tony Bennet and David Bowie concerts so I’ll listen to those artists. I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s and went to college in 1991 and all I did was play piano and violin and build computers. If you’re only going to listen to the same albums over and over then streaming isn’t worth it. I rarely buy albums but when I do it’s from a label that doesn’t stream, there are a few small classical ones that don’t stream. I also have a vinyl record player because there’s so much music that never transferred to CD or streaming. But I like Apple Music because almost every pop artist is new to me.
That’s why I said 2nd hand CDs to buy collection. I just bought 500 for 10 cents a cd. Which is good way to build initially.
Then just buy the new ones you want… so long term purchases are the betttr choice for most.. plus supports the artist more than streaming
The post about is backed by a study as well.
We stop discovering new music at age 30, a new survey suggests — here are the scientific reasons why this could be
A survey from music streaming service Deezer suggests we stop listening to new music at the age of 30 years and 6 months — a time when we are likely to be feeling overwhelmed by musical choice, and busy with work and children.
www.businessinsider.com
My two cents:
I also have a very large nicely organised iTunes library, and I pay for Apple Music - but I wonder if I didn’t have Apple one, which I do mostly to make sure my whole family doesn’t bug me all the time about storage and tv and arcade, etc.
I think it’s there are some good points in this thread, I also found the early comment about how the time period we enjoyed the last 100 years of purchasing music, and musicians getting rich that way, was unique in human history, and streaming is actually more or less going back to the norm of artists getting paid when people here or see music live quite an interesting thought.
The problem with this though, while artists getting rich also had its equality problems, it spurred a huge amount of creativity and variety. Simply due to the attractiveness of the dream of being a rockstar, or whatever, for teens growing up. This, like so much else has been lost to the new content creator/consumption/engagement paradigm.
There is another shift which comes with streaming, and that’s away from the importance of a well crafted album.
Already 5-10 years ago I noticed some younger colleagues look at me like an alien when I talked about albums, and listening to a whole album in a row. By now surely this is even more rare.
That’s fine, every generation is free to do what they want. But it’s sad.
They will never know the joy of tripping and having your life changed by dark side of the moon. Or knowing a band so well that you can almost feel and understand the changes in their life from the experience of one album to the next. Not just whatever hit streaming track people talk about.
I like to keep my iTunes library, and I think the feature of having it available on all devices via Apple Music is a nice touch. It’s also nice to be able to occasionally use the same app to find a new song and temporarily add it to a playlist or explore new things.
I worry that it will be pushed out eventually when it doesn’t make sense financially.
One thing to always keep in mind, for the people who are convinced we don’t need to have local libraries - we said the same thing back in 2015ish. Netflix has everything, we don’t need to pirate, or buy/rip, etc etc. it was a tenner a month.
Now look - films and tv is spread across 4/5 services and they keep pumping the prices up.
They will do the same, when they know we don’t have another way, or it’s too inconvenient .
I also have a very large nicely organised iTunes library, and I pay for Apple Music - but I wonder if I didn’t have Apple one, which I do mostly to make sure my whole family doesn’t bug me all the time about storage and tv and arcade, etc.
I think it’s there are some good points in this thread, I also found the early comment about how the time period we enjoyed the last 100 years of purchasing music, and musicians getting rich that way, was unique in human history, and streaming is actually more or less going back to the norm of artists getting paid when people here or see music live quite an interesting thought.
The problem with this though, while artists getting rich also had its equality problems, it spurred a huge amount of creativity and variety. Simply due to the attractiveness of the dream of being a rockstar, or whatever, for teens growing up. This, like so much else has been lost to the new content creator/consumption/engagement paradigm.
There is another shift which comes with streaming, and that’s away from the importance of a well crafted album.
Already 5-10 years ago I noticed some younger colleagues look at me like an alien when I talked about albums, and listening to a whole album in a row. By now surely this is even more rare.
That’s fine, every generation is free to do what they want. But it’s sad.
They will never know the joy of tripping and having your life changed by dark side of the moon. Or knowing a band so well that you can almost feel and understand the changes in their life from the experience of one album to the next. Not just whatever hit streaming track people talk about.
I like to keep my iTunes library, and I think the feature of having it available on all devices via Apple Music is a nice touch. It’s also nice to be able to occasionally use the same app to find a new song and temporarily add it to a playlist or explore new things.
I worry that it will be pushed out eventually when it doesn’t make sense financially.
One thing to always keep in mind, for the people who are convinced we don’t need to have local libraries - we said the same thing back in 2015ish. Netflix has everything, we don’t need to pirate, or buy/rip, etc etc. it was a tenner a month.
Now look - films and tv is spread across 4/5 services and they keep pumping the prices up.
They will do the same, when they know we don’t have another way, or it’s too inconvenient .
Yep. Over 96,000 tracks in my local library. All of them easily downloadable from the cloud to my phone or playable via voice command to my HomePods.
I completely disagree.
Great music is still being made today, and bad music was made before.
just go back to any era within the past 60 years on the billboard charts, you’ll find absolute classics, of course.
but no matter which era it is, from the 50s right up to today, at least half of the chart at all times is covered with complete shlock.
People remember the billboard charts from the 60s during the weeks that the Beatles were number one. What they’ve forgotten is that most of the crap that hit number one during that decade was Elvis impersonators, military music and orchestral soundtrack themes. Not exactly classic rock & roll, and there’s a reason most of that stuff has been forgotten over the past 60 years.
Yeah, this is also something that is a reason why streaming took off the way it did.
99% of people never, ever want to mess with a library.
storing CDs/tape/vinyl somewhere in your house, making sure that they are all stored in such a way that the LPs won’t warp and the CDs won’t get rotted, importing them into a music application, making sure the Metadata matches up, making sure you’re using a hard drive that won’t break, and or is backed up properly, deciding which format to store the music in… it’s an absolute process.
Compare that to streaming where you literally just… Hit play on whatever you want.
Maybe it's nostalgia, but I remember kind of liking the whole process ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And aside from the first time I did it -- to get music into my iPod -- I rarely ever ripped more than a few CDs at once.
This is the #1 reason I switched over to Apple Music from Spotify. I've got quite a few things that are not available via streaming, but I can still play them from my iPhone, HomePods, whatever. Every once in a while I get a track that plays but comes up matched to some random compilation or soundtrack, but otherwise it's pretty solid.
If I asked my grandmother, she'd say the exact same thing... about the 1940s and 50s. 🤣
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No. When the streaming companies are making a ton of money but the artists are making fractions of a penny on plays it's not fair. The old system, when artist complained that the labels were ripping them off never knew how good they had it. Today streaming services provide a service that has ZERO overhead. The old system the labels took a large percentage BECAUSE they paid for everything. They gave the band thousands of dollars upfront to survive and write music. They paid for the recording studios, which were incredibly expensive. They paid for the engineers and producers, the manufacturers, advertising, radio promotion, wardrobe, management, distribution, sometimes tours or got booking agencies for you. The labels INVESTED in you. It was an incredibly expensive business. There's NO WAY the artist then or now, could do all that on their own. There was a reason the artist only got 12%. And most often didn't see any money until the debt was paid - money loaned to the band while they made the album. If the album did well the band did very well. If the band had songwriters those songwriters became very wealthy. Musicians got paid from record sales as well as radio. BMI/ASCAP made sure the musicians got their fair share.
No, today streaming is NOT a fair system. Not by a long shot. Apple and Whoever the big streamers are don't invest in ANYTHING for the artist. NOTHING. And yet they take the bulk of revenue in advertising and however else they make their money. Those guys are very, very wealthy on the backs of mostly poor songwriters and artists.
It’s common with people of every age who aren’t musically adventurous. I’ve never understood it. It’s like people’s life stopped at one age. Wouldn’t you want a newer soundtrack to more recent years? I loved my highschool/college music but I personally hate hearing the same stuff over and over so I pop on a brand new album every day when I get in the car, new albums by old bands many times and new and interesting bands. Outside of mainstream music, there has never been so much amazing music available in all genres. Just need to explore
I told my 9 year old daughter that modern music is terrible and she said no it’s not. I said name one good modern band and she said AC/DC 😂
That’s obviously down to my impeccable taste and me being an amazing parent!
But joking aside I still think it’s hard to find good music today, I’m not saying it doesn’t exist.
Ed Sheeran, Luke Combs are the only 2 that pop in my head that I quite like..
I think country music, Rap and pop music just isn’t the same anymore. I’d argue the auto tune brigade has had an impact on this as well. Plus writing isn’t as good. Again all just my opinion