yeah i sorta agree with you tbh
personally the keyboard sold me ,pure blakc keyboard is gorgeous on the new mbp 14 and 16.i still went back to a mba m1 ,after i realized that the pros were pure folly for me
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Which MacBook Air Design Do You Prefer? (Purely Aesthetic Perspective)
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personally the keyboard sold me ,pure blakc keyboard is gorgeous on the new mbp 14 and 16.i still went back to a mba m1 ,after i realized that the pros were pure folly for me
I’m only slightly on the side of the new design.
The old one looked far more “sleek” and “professional”
But the new seems far more “friendly” and “approachable” to my mind.
The rounded corners (like on my mbp) put to my mind a similar feeling to pre-aluminum Macs. In which they have more “personality”. Which Is also analogous to the Big Sur redesign of MacOS. It has a softer, more colorful feel than Mavericks-Catalina. Which I like.
The feet is what I don’t like, they basically disappeared on the tapered MacBooks but are eyesores to the silhouettes on the new designs.
And about the notch: I actually think it’s a good design having had my mbp for awhile now. It brings the bar up and allows more space for content.
And before anyone asks, I have indeed been taking my medicine.
The old one looked far more “sleek” and “professional”
But the new seems far more “friendly” and “approachable” to my mind.
The rounded corners (like on my mbp) put to my mind a similar feeling to pre-aluminum Macs. In which they have more “personality”. Which Is also analogous to the Big Sur redesign of MacOS. It has a softer, more colorful feel than Mavericks-Catalina. Which I like.
The feet is what I don’t like, they basically disappeared on the tapered MacBooks but are eyesores to the silhouettes on the new designs.
And about the notch: I actually think it’s a good design having had my mbp for awhile now. It brings the bar up and allows more space for content.
And before anyone asks, I have indeed been taking my medicine.
I think it's sort of a "cope" to justify uglier design, the question should be taken as assume we are in the future where any engineering feat is possible, if both machines offered the exact same performance, which package would you rather it be in.
Like you said, aesthetics certainly matter. I'd argue they matter more than performance to a substantial number of people. Many people simply buy the latest tech as a status symbol or because it looks cool, in many years when the iPhone refresh doesn't have a radical design change people say "Oh this is an 'S' year" and don't upgrade even if the spec upgrade is actually more substantial than other years. People want the newest/coolest looking phone.
That's the difference in Jony Ive and the current Apple Team, I wish they released the MBA with the Wedge, and let this design be taken over by MacBook (which Apple actually killed, the title of Mac Laptops....)
I like the new one and also the old one. The new one looks more modern to me and it makes sense with the rest of the new MBP lineup.
The new M2 MBA is also thinner than the M1 Air.
The new M2 MBA is also thinner than the M1 Air.
Although to be fair, Ive was going all HAM on Apple in terms of form. There has to be a balance, and Ive was not yielding to a balance. For instance, MagSafe is something that should have never been removed from Macs.
We all are blaming him for no reason. It was the HW Engineering Team's actions. The weaker battery, thinner Macs, lacking ports etc. Jony just designed a product that would enclose their requirements. Also Form over Function brought us the 1984 Mac, the 2007 iPhone, the iPod, and many revolutionary products. So let's not prioritise one over another. We all must understand we are blaming a person, who is not at all responsible. Just because he came in those Advertisements and Product Videos, and said the products are XY mm Thin etc. we are assuming he was the guy behind this
Most of the people here blame Jony for something he was not responsible (Actually such decisions are taken by the HW Engineering Team like USB C only, Thinner, No Fans etc.)
It is upto the HW Engineering team to decide what ports to Add, What not, and Jony designs for them. Most guys here are behaving as if Jony designs, Jony decides what chip to add, what ports to add, Jony decides what keyboard to put etc.
What I want to say is please let us not blame him for every problem at Apple.
Ive is responsible for certain decisions. Let's breakdown your examples:
- The original iPhone. It was originally stated to be all aluminum by Ive. When the HW Team (specifically the Radios team) said that won't work due to attenuation by the aluminum. Do you know what was Ive's team response? Let's add a small "slit" or opening to let them go through. This issue went all the way up to Jobs who settled it by allowing the black bar we see on the bottom. Again, a compromise was reached, if Ive would have had his way, the original iPhone's signal would have been abysmal.
- 1984 Mac, Ive was not there. That was Jobs and his team which is not the same HW Team today.
- I'll add one you might not know off, iPhone OS 7. That OS version was completely redesigned by Apple and the man who spearheaded the change from skeuomorphism to what we have today was Ive. Ive's vision here was paramount.
Nothing beats the 12" Macbook design.
An oddity Apple will never ever bring back (even though the M1/M2 is absolutely perfect for it)
An oddity Apple will never ever bring back (even though the M1/M2 is absolutely perfect for it)
From the side/front/back profiles, the rounded bottom and flat top corners of the new Air work much more pleasingly aesthetically than with the new(ish) MBPs, as the overall non-sleekness that these characteristics threaten is mitigated by the fact that the thing is so thin. It works. With the MPB, the extra height just serves to draw focus to these corners (in a similar way, the Studio's height/additional blank space makes the thing less aesthetically pleasing than the Mini).
In my humble opinion
The new starlight MBA would be my choice, had I not just bought an M1 Air in December...
In my humble opinion
The new starlight MBA would be my choice, had I not just bought an M1 Air in December...
Can you provide the source for iPhone Radio Thing Please?
Also, I didn't say 1984 Mac, Ive was there, what I meant to say was stop forcing Apple to be function over form, if someone needs it, there are lot of chunky odd looking Windows Laptops out there, to try on
Also Can you show me the Reports where Jobs did the balancing? Well it's just there here in MacRumors by some random guys so I highly doubt if it's an original report..
Jony Ive having worked with Steve would know the Idea or the "Essence" of Apple than anyone out there in design team, I guess none of the original Steve's Design Team exists anymore at Apple Design Team
As you have mentioned:"However, there were several reports of Ive trying to force and Jobs did the balancing. Hence Ive ended up leaving Apple"
Actually he left almost after 8 Years of Steve's Death, so there is quite a faulty claim to say Because of Jobs, Jony had left Apple
Wedge is the clear winner for me.
The new Pros look like a brick and give an impression of thickness beyond their measurements. Awesome machines in many respects, but not pretty. The M2 Air has now followed the same path.
The new Pros look like a brick and give an impression of thickness beyond their measurements. Awesome machines in many respects, but not pretty. The M2 Air has now followed the same path.
The new style looks boring, heavy, and dated. The old style looks thin and light.
The old style looks dated, the new style looks modern and efficient.
See what I did there. It is all a matter of opinion.
How can you really fully judge the appearance until you've seen it in person.
But I think the wedge is better and what defined the Air.
But I think the wedge is better and what defined the Air.
We will only know the answer to this when we establish if the new one makes you look like you've been self harming on your wrists or not like the old one did.
It was an interview and an article. I believe the piece was released in Gizmodo/Engadget, I have looked for it for the past 10-15 min and can't find it.
There is an article here in MR corroborating this narrative of Jobs being the balance. Look it up. MR did cover the entire ordeal.
Not really. Because there was no one there to balance him, he made horrible decisions, resulting in faulty, functionally and thermally limited products, and so left.
The wedge is what defined the ultra-portable market. Several manufacturers copied the entire design in their ultraportables.
Just read something that I said before, we are claiming something quite unusual, blaming a designer instead of Engineer for Bad Keyboards, Thermals etc.
Sony already had that wedge design, is just Steve went full in thinnest and we all know the second gen MBA was the real deal
Even without the wedge design going for an 12-13mm in thickness the other would followed, is not about the shape of it, its all about the overall package what Steve came up with
The thickest point of the MBA is still thinner than the thinnest point of the Sony ...memories memories