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Rodion said:
Hi Turtlebud,

I also ordered a Powermac G5 Dual Core 2.0 from Apple on 3/31 and estimated ship date is 4/6. I wish it would ship sooner. Congrats Turtlebud, and Blong on your new powermacs. I wonder if my was going to ship from Fullerton also? It shouldn't take to long from Southern California to Reno, NV.

Rodion, did you add anything to the machine? (ie, graphics card upgrade, wireless/bluetooth). If it's a stock machine it should ship out faster than an upgraded machine. Either way, my experience from apple is that they tend to ship out on time or earlier than their estimated ship date. One way to know for sure is when you see that big charge authorization on your credit card, then you know it's getting ready to ship. That happened to me on 3/31 and sure enough it shipped out on 4/1 (2 days early).
 
adk said:
3rd party RAM is a lot cheaper than apple ram. I welcome apple to put in 256 stock memory and i'll buy RAM at New Egg for a fraction of apple's price.

haha I remembered few years ago that Apple used to charge you like $40 to install each rams. :rolleyes:
 
Finally I am now the proud owner of a Dual Core 2.3GHz powermac with a GeForce 7800 GT 256mb video card and a total of 2.5gig RAM.

All I can say is fantastic! Totally no comparison with the G4 iBook i've been using or my old 1.4GHz PC.

Being originally a mac person in the early 90's, then moving to PC, and now back to Mac, I was pleasantly surprised with the "feel" of the keyboard - memories came flooding back.

Just ran a quick test by "eyeballing" how long it would take me to run a noise filter in PSE4. My PC would do it in 40 to 50 seconds, the Mac - 9 seconds!

The only thing that I feel a little sad about is that now it looks like the Intel Macs will be able to run XP and Mac OS side by side, not requiring a reboot to use the other OS. I'd love to be able to use AutoCad on the Mac.

Anyway - no regrets - I still think that I made the correct decision by buying now rather than waiting until the end of the year, then waiting even longer for universal Photoshop, and sorting out bugs along the way. I'll be ready for intel in a few years time.

Cool.

Rob
 
combatcolin said:
Boot Camp has changed the playing field.

Yeah, but why not get a PC then? Won't there be an issue with viruses? What about stability?

Sure I feel a little regret in the fact that I don't get this new feature, but hey, I'm working on tried and true equipment here.

However, I'm hoping that this doesn't mean that there will be less software developed for the PPC ... :eek:
 
Blong said:
Yeah, but why not get a PC then? Won't there be an issue with viruses? What about stability?

Sure I feel a little regret in the fact that I don't get this new feature, but hey, I'm working on tried and true equipment here.

However, I'm hoping that this doesn't mean that there will be less software developed for the PPC ... :eek:


I wouldn't worry. Many are excited because now they can run the OS they all love to trash. If Windows was such a necessity than why not just have a cheap PC laying around or no Mac at all. I have used both for years and hate the term they each have its benefits. Well no...Windows only became must for many because it has every software company behind it and not because technologically it is better. For me if I need a Windows app then Virtualization like Parellels would be a better option since I can just open up an app run it in a window and close it, and not be fully booted into it.

As for gaming, why is this always such a huge deal? Gaming consoles for years have been now dominating the market. They are getting the games first mostly as well. Get a gaming console if you want to game so badly. If you factor in that you have to buy an Intel Mac then purchase your own copy of Windows then Anti-Virus, all it's software plus games you are looking at probably spending more than a Mac plus Xbox 360 or Revolution. So much excitement to run Windows after the main reason many stated that they switch is because they want to escape Windows. I'm probably just ranting, but I do worry about too much windows excitement and not Mac OS X and all it's features. MS must be so excited that they now get to sell Windows to the whole Mac market. More money for them which is more than Apple would make selling one mac.

Back to the topic...If you need to run non-UB apps then PPC is still great and there's nothing out there than can beat a Quad yet either. Your machine is not going to run slower or stop working. Right now is a good time to get a deal on a Refurb or from anyone that's selling a PM.
 
Boot camp has definitely changed the playing field.

I was thinking of building a custom PeeCee next year when Vista releases but with the release of Boot Camp, I might just wait for the Intel PowerMac (maybe it will be called Mac Pro).

Imagine running Pro/Engineer and AutoCAD on a PowerMac...:eek:
 
asencif said:
As for gaming, why is this always such a huge deal? Gaming consoles for years have been now dominating the market. They are getting the games first mostly as well. Get a gaming console if you want to game so badly. If you factor in that you have to buy an Intel Mac then purchase your own copy of Windows then Anti-Virus, all it's software plus games you are looking at probably spending more than a Mac plus Xbox 360 or Revolution. So much excitement to run Windows after the main reason many stated that they switch is because they want to escape Windows. I'm probably just ranting, but I do worry about too much windows excitement and not Mac OS X and all it's features. MS must be so excited that they now get to sell Windows to the whole Mac market. More money for them which is more than Apple would make selling one mac.

real-time strategy, first-person shooter, and mmporg all work better using a keyboard/mouse combination, which can't be done as well on consoles.
 
Blong said:
Yeah, but why not get a PC then?

Because it doesn't run mac software?

asencif said:
If Windows was such a necessity than why not just have a cheap PC laying around or no Mac at all.

Because it's not a necessity, it's something that's nice to have handy for that 5% of the time you need to fire up a windows app. Even a cheap pc costs more than a software install and takes up more space. Obviously it has no appeal for you, but it makes sense that people might be happy about not having to buy a second machine.
 
milo said:
Because it's not a necessity, it's something that's nice to have handy for that 5% of the time you need to fire up a windows app. Even a cheap pc costs more than a software install and takes up more space. Obviously it has no appeal for you, but it makes sense that people might be happy about not having to buy a second machine.


I have no problem with that 5% of the time, however people were partying like it will be 60% of the time and cutting into OS X usage. For me Virtualization would be better as you still are using OS X and just minimizing the Windows OS. Also, there is that factor of how many will end up being on the Apple Wintel side and forgetting about OS X. Only time will tell. Hopefully, Leopard will include features so one only needs to boot into Mac OS X.
 
milo said:
Because it doesn't run mac software?

Well, if you need to reboot to use windows software I would think that would be more of a pain than anything else. And then of course reboot to get back into Mac OS - oh, then I forgot something, reboot back into winows etc.

OK, as I said before, it would be cool to have AutoCad running on the PowerMac, but I want everything else to run like a mac, not like a PC.

asencif said:
For me Virtualization would be better as you still are using OS X and just minimizing the Windows OS. Also, there is that factor of how many will end up being on the Apple Wintel side and forgetting about OS X. Only time will tell. Hopefully, Leopard will include features so one only needs to boot into Mac OS X.

Yeah - so you can have your mac running like a mac with a windows app in a window. But as long as the windows apps run at full speed.
 
Blong said:
Finally I am now the proud owner of a Dual Core 2.3GHz powermac with a GeForce 7800 GT 256mb video card and a total of 2.5gig RAM.

All I can say is fantastic! Totally no comparison with the G4 iBook i've been using or my old 1.4GHz PC.

Being originally a mac person in the early 90's, then moving to PC, and now back to Mac, I was pleasantly surprised with the "feel" of the keyboard - memories came flooding back.

Just ran a quick test by "eyeballing" how long it would take me to run a noise filter in PSE4. My PC would do it in 40 to 50 seconds, the Mac - 9 seconds!

The only thing that I feel a little sad about is that now it looks like the Intel Macs will be able to run XP and Mac OS side by side, not requiring a reboot to use the other OS. I'd love to be able to use AutoCad on the Mac.

Anyway - no regrets - I still think that I made the correct decision by buying now rather than waiting until the end of the year, then waiting even longer for universal Photoshop, and sorting out bugs along the way. I'll be ready for intel in a few years time.

Cool.

Rob

I just got the dual core 2 Ghz myself w/ the same a mount of RAM as you. Do these things kick butt or what? I love mine. It's cut my freelance work time in half.
 
asencif said:
If Windows was such a necessity than why not just have a cheap PC laying around or no Mac at all.

In your limited view, you are forgetting the professional creative industry. With the option to boot into Windows I get access to another set of applications that are not available on the Mac. This means I will only need to buy one high-end workstation instead of two to run my applications of choice. For example, I can have OSX for Final Cut Studio and using the same machine, be able to run XSI (or run Maya more efficently). Being a free-lancer, I don't have the cash flow to maintain multiple machines and that limits what software I can use. Not to mention that most 3d software runs faster on Intel/AMD (due to driver issues). With Boot Camp and IntelMacs, I will have more software options for a lot less hardware cost.
 
THX1139 said:
In your limited view, you are forgetting the professional creative industry. With the option to boot into Windows I get access to another set of applications that are not available on the Mac. This means I will only need to buy one high-end workstation instead of two to run my applications of choice. For example, I can have OSX for Final Cut Studio and using the same machine, be able to run XSI (or run Maya more efficently). Being a free-lancer, I don't have the cash flow to maintain multiple machines and that limits what software I can use. Not to mention that most 3d software runs faster on Intel/AMD (due to driver issues). With Boot Camp and IntelMacs, I will have more software options for a lot less hardware cost.

I think about how productivity will benefit in a production environment, so dual-booting will not be very beneficiary as one has to keep shutting one down. Having both available at the sametime benefits greatly. So the only true argument of not stopping your flow and working on all apps simultaneously on one machine is really virtualization. I have been in enviroments where it was not an option at all to shutdown at all. These businesses will benefit from someting like Parelles which one could run all apps at once with both OS on and not shutdown time at all. So maybe my view was limited in a sense, I just wasn't thinking about the consumer that occasionally boots up to one OS. For me I need instance access multiple systems at once.
 
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