Until they answer, I’m going to ask myself this question:
What does a 15-inch Air have that a 14-inch MBP doesn’t?
price is thinner, footprint is thinner, more screen real estate?
Until they answer, I’m going to ask myself this question:
What does a 15-inch Air have that a 14-inch MBP doesn’t?
It's a little more complicated than that. I had a choice between an M3 MBA 15", 18GB, 1TB at $1899 versus an Apple refurb M2 Pro MBP 14", 16GB, 1TB for $1899. The nicer screen and extra ports along with the M2 Pro versus M3 made all the difference for me as I chose the MBP. The screen size difference between the 14 inch and 15 inch was just not a big deal for me. Bottom line, I think most buyers would be happier with the 14 inch M2 Pro MBP versus the 15 inch M3 MBA if prices are roughly the same.
I did not mean to upset you or aggravate your pet peeve or do what you told me not to do. This is an opinion forum. My emphasis was that in my situation the prices were equal. I offered my opinion that with price, memory, and SSD being equal I thought more people would be happier with the M2 Pro 14” MBP versus the M3 15” MBA if they saw them and evaluated their performance side by side. That opinion stands.You have exemplified the point I was making—you're implying most buyers are like you, weighing the same priorities as you do.
Do all buyers dress like you? Live in the same home type as you? Drive the same car type you do? Date the same body type and personalities as you? Go into the same education and career as you? Read the same books as you do? Eat what you eat? Watch what you watch? Hobby what you hobby?—So why do you assume everyone is like you when it comes to laptop preference?
You walked right into the thing I said not to do. You think you're most buyers. Thats not true. Apple has 48 buyer personas they target with the 15 inch Air. You are a mere 2% of that, or 1 of 48, yet here you are thinking you represent near 100%, that we all would just gladly prioritize HDMI ports and HDR over screen size, despite most people looking at a 15-inch not needing HDMI, or not needing SD, or not using their screens for more than productivity and not HDR movie editing; as if these screens don't look nearly identical in SDR mode, which is how most people will use them, and view them at the Apple Store. Yes, its complex, which is why assuming someone should just skip the 15-inch Air and buy the 14-inch MBP is wrong to do.
Why? Genuinely interested.
You stand by the opinion that if a person sees 15-inch Air and a 14-inch MBP, that every buyer would pick the 14-inch MBP.I offered my opinion that with price, memory, and SSD being equal I thought more people would be happier with the M2 Pro 14” MBP versus the M3 15” MBA if they saw them and evaluated their performance side by side. That opinion stands.
What does a 15-inch Air have that a 14-inch MBP doesn’t?
You are being disingenuous and misrepresenting what I said. I never said that every buyer would pick the 14 inch. I said that in my opinion the majority of people would if they saw and evaluated them side by side. I have a basis for that opinion as I had a career as an IT professional and have bought and sold computers for over 45 years. It's an opinion forum. Get over it.You stand by the opinion that if a person sees 15-inch Air and a 14-inch MBP, that every buyer would pick the 14-inch MBP.
Is that because you feel you are "the customer," that you represent all target buyers? How you use a laptop is how others use a laptop?
Or are we all making buying decisions in your image? You don't have room for more than one buyer persona in your world view?
- There aren't 44 year olds with aging eyes that prefer a 15-inch big screen and don't need a 14-inch MacBook Pro for sustained CPU performance?
- There aren't UI or web designers who prefer a big screen and don't need active cooling or HDR to run Figma?
- There aren't accountants that need to see as many Excel cells as possible? Or want to see it as large as possible when sitting down at a conference table? You think they look at a MBP instead and go, "but that has 40% more GPU, and 1600 nit peak brightness, never mind about the bigger screen on the 15-inch MacBook Air!"?
You're right, I'll be more fair in my edit.You are being disingenuous and misrepresenting what I said. I never said that every buyer would pick the 14 inch. I said that in my opinion the majority of people would if they saw and evaluated them side by side. I have a basis for that opinion as I had a career as an IT professional and have bought and sold computers for over 45 years. It's an opinion forum. Get over it.
If the two were at the same memory and ssd capacities, and most important the same price (the MBP being an M2 Pro and the MBA being an M3), my answer is yes. It's an observation and opinion, but an informed one. Just as I have an opinion that most people today will not buy an EV over an Internal Combustion Engine or Hybrid vehicle at roughly the same specs and price points. Go ahead and respond if you wish, but I do not want to do any more in hijacking this thread and have nothing else to add. Have a great day.You're right, I'll be more fair in my edit.
You stand by the opinion that if a person sees 15-inch Air and a 14-inch MBP, that most buyers would pick the 14-inch MBP. Does that accurately represent your argument?Is that because you feel you are "most customers," that you represent most target buyers? How you use a laptop is how most people use a laptop?
- There aren't 44 year olds with aging eyes that prefer a 15-inch big screen and don't need a 14-inch MacBook Pro for sustained CPU performance?
- There aren't UI or web designers who prefer a big screen and don't need active cooling or HDR to run Figma?
- There aren't accountants that need to see as many Excel cells as possible? Or want to see it as large as possible when sitting down at a conference table? You think they look at a MBP instead and go, "but that has 40% more GPU, and 1600 nit peak brightness, never mind about the bigger screen on the 15-inch MacBook Air!"?
Or are most buyers making buying decisions in your image? You don't have room for multiple buyer personas in your world view?
... My emphasis was that in my situation the prices were equal. I offered my opinion that with price, memory, and SSD being equal I thought more people would be happier with the M2 Pro 14” MBP versus the M3 15” MBA if they saw them and evaluated their performance side by side. That opinion stands.
You've given me your opinion, but you haven't informed me in regards to "what you know." Please inform me. What information do I need to know here to view this as you do?If the two were at the same memory and ssd capacities, and most important the same price (the MBP being an M2 Pro and the MBA being an M3), my answer is yes. It's an observation and opinion, but an informed one.
If a mom walks into a car dealership to buy a Minivan that fits her family of 7, and sees an SUV with more HP and towing capacity that fits 5 people, she's going to abandon the Minivan and buy the SUV? She no longer prioritizes the comfort of her family?Just as I have an opinion that most people today will not buy an EV over an Internal Combustion Engine or Hybrid vehicle at roughly the same specs and price points.
Not everyone care or need the extra power and features MBP having, many value more fan-less portable light weight machines.
What's that app?From Apple's tech page:
So its more like 500 nits vs 600 nits, even in sunlight, unless you're using that app that "hacks" Apple's limit and turns on HDR brightness at all times.
- XDR brightness: 1000 nits sustained full-screen, 1600 nits peak (HDR content only)
- SDR brightness: 600 nits
I was thinking of an app named Vivid but it costs $10 so I did a google search and found a free one named BrightIntosh. There may be more like it.What's that app?
The 15” MBA is in all but one measurement (height) bigger than the 14” MBP. It’s also only .1 lbs lighter, so imperceptibly lighter.price is thinner, footprint is thinner, more screen real estate?
The 15” MBA is in all but one measurement (height) bigger than the 14” MBP. It’s also only .1 lbs lighter, so imperceptibly lighter.
Of course if you value screen size above all other considerations, the 15” MBA is your only choice short of the 16” MBP and it’s correspondingly high cost.
I certainly get the argument for the 13” Air being smaller and lighter and thus more transportable than any MBP, it is noticeably smaller in every dimension and lighter, but the 15” MBA is MBP sized.
The weight distribution of 15 air is different than 14 pro
14 mbp feels considerably heftier
Imo
The 15” MBA is in all but one measurement (height) bigger than the 14” MBP.
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but the 15” MBA is MBP sized.