but why would charging start at the peak consumption of the state? Every EV has charge time capabilities, most people use "finish by" so for most people that Ould be probably in the early morning. and probably only a few need more than like 15kWh or so ...
Oh agreed, smart people on TOU electric plans won't charge during those time. People like us will charge at the cheapest rates (for me 12am-3pm). Which, then theoretically, you can add far more EVs to the grid.but why would charging start at the peak consumption of the state? Every EV has charge time capabilities, most people use "finish by" so for most people that Ould be probably in the early morning. and probably only a few need more than like 15kWh or so ...
I'm not saying you don't have a point, but there are ways around it ...
And yes, CA has challenges
I thought I saw a Youtube video about the super chargers and how they might potentially have rolling rates that would give cheaper rates at certain times.
Correct - they do. California, on the other hand, pays surrounding states to take our excess renewable power because we generate far too much of it. So my comments are more in that regards - they should be paying us to charge for free during those times!
It’s one thing for a politician to pay another politician. That’s called I’ll scratch your back and you scratch mine later. Why would politicians pay their subjects anything? There’s nothing they need from youCorrect - they do. California, on the other hand, pays surrounding states to take our excess renewable power because we generate far too much of it. So my comments are more in that regards - they should be paying us to charge for free during those times!
But you are correct - for example:
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My opinion, if we're (CA) paying surrounding states to take 7+ GW of power during peak solar output, we should be paying EVs to charge during this time!
This... my neighbor (last year) came up to me to ask me questions about my EV. I was brutally honest - explained the pros and cons. Quickly realized he was asking me because his wife wanted a Tesla. However, he's got a medium sized family and hauls things now and then. Their previous car was a Honda Pilot - and we both came to the conclusion that another Honda Pilot was the best thing for him (which he ended up getting). We wave every time we see each other (rare for Californians!).
Well, that's the crux with renewables, can't turn them on/off "quickly" like you can with like a gas powerplant ...Correct - they do. California, on the other hand, pays surrounding states to take our excess renewable power because we generate far too much of it. So my comments are more in that regards - they should be paying us to charge for free during those times!
But you are correct - for example:
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My opinion, if we're (CA) paying surrounding states to take 7+ GW of power during peak solar output, we should be paying EVs to charge during this time!
I am very interested in your reason for being against the idea of giving out free EV charging during peak solar - I am no expert so I am genuinely interested in learning what you know. My thought process - if we export (at cost) renewable energy to surrounding states - why not let EV owners benefit from that as well?
While I have an EE in electrical power generation and distribution, I'm no expert in grid management.
I am jealous. I took one EE class in college and everyone failed it (Prof was not easy but a fun guy). If I had to do everything over again I'd go for electrical engineering.While I have an EE in electrical power generation and distribution, I'm no expert in grid management.
My reasoning of being against incentivizing EV charging is mainly that
1. It will create "hoggers"
2. It will anger the EV hater crowd even further
3. There are (currently) a lot of incentives for EVs already
For those who can charge at home, that should be the primary way with the primary exception being travel.
For those who cannot charge at home, there need to be more options, more public L2 but also DCFC ( 50kW and higher).
Rates like at your condo place should be regulated to be the same as residential charging, your example in my mind is borderline criminal.
Charging at work is great, but putting that infrastructure in is expensive and a lot of companies can't afford it or see little benefit.
I don't have all the answers, just an opinion
May public chargers (including every Tesla V4) are implementing battery packs on site to distribute load. To the point that some stations can predictably "draw constant low-level load" throughout the expensive part of the day, leveling out grid-load separate from "charger-load".
There is an actual unit of measure that expresses it perfectly. As long as my EV can do a poronkusema then I'm happy. 👍There is a term I came across that describes the human condition of stopping every so often. Bladder range vs battery range.
10-80% in about 20 minutes is pretty normal for a current car, and better ones since about 2022. And absolutely, it is quick enough. I'd challenge anyone saying it is too slow after you've just driven for like 2-2.5 hours. Plug it in, go to the WC, grab a drink, and walk back. That is nearly always at least 20 minutes. Perhaps more when my other half, and/or children and dog are with us...
while I am in agreement with the 20 min or so break and I can get to 80+% in my car, reality is, US consumers want (big) SUVs and those do come with bigger batteries. For example Kia EV9 99kWh, Ioniq 9 110kWh and those are both eGMP (800V) architecture so they charge fast but need ~ 24 min 10-80 in the case of the Ioniq 9.10-80% in about 20 minutes is pretty normal for a current car, and better ones since about 2022. And absolutely, it is quick enough. I'd challenge anyone saying it is too slow after you've just driven for like 2-2.5 hours. Plug it in, go to the WC, grab a drink, and walk back. That is nearly always at least 20 minutes. Perhaps more when my other half, and/or children and dog are with us...
We are at a good point where it practically doesn't have to be a problem.
But not all cars are made the same, the charging curve can vary a lot. Fastned have some nice publications regarding just that.
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That’s not good. I use my cable for 36 months and it’s fine. I went for a tethered home charger. But the charger at work isn’t. Pain really. Wish I’d bought a tethered one. But my BMW cable is much thicker than some. The one my boss got with his MG is pretty thin by comparison.
Quite a thick cable compared to some I’ve seen and issued by Audi. Could be cheap though considering some of the corners they’ve cut with the car itself.
I’ve seen thinner. But I think mine is thicker.
Picked up a new cable today from Audi Cardiff at a cost of £280. The new cable is actually a thinner diameter than the old one, 15mm down from 18mm. So this one will probably last a year if we’re lucky. It doesn’t help when the wife doesn’t unroll it correctly before plugging it in mind you.
So my wife has never put petrol in her car. Not once. So when we do get her an EV, I’ll just be grateful if she plugs it in rather than announcing I’ll have to do it!
