Who will be the next "Samsung" of the Android world?

[The-Real-Deal82]

Samsung nor apple doesn't break down individuals so we can only use entire range from both companies.

Indeed but one sells devices only at a flagship price point and the other sells everything from £10 PAYG devices to flagships that do compete with each other. If Samsung didn't sell more devices across their entire range than Apple, I would be astonished!

Apple will never sell more devices than Samsung because they compete in one market as opposed to many, so I'm not quite sure what we draw from such a statement if the attempt is to use it as a comparison?

If that statement is enough for some to prove Samsung's flagships are more popular, because sales are bumped up by budget devices, then I won't argue with that. It's just a shrug your shoulders type of comparison for me.

 

[grkm3]

Indeed but one sells devices only at a flagship price point and the other sells everything from £10 PAYG devices to flagships that do compete with each other. If Samsung didn't sell more devices across their entire range than Apple, I would be astonished!

Apple will never sell more devices than Samsung because they compete in one market as opposed to many, so I'm not quite sure what we draw from such a statement if the attempt is to use it as a comparison?

If that statement is enough for some to prove Samsung's flagships are more popular, because sales are bumped up by budget devices, then I won't argue with that. It's just a shrug your shoulders type of comparison for me.

Samsung mobile made 6 billion in profits and sold from 40-100 million flagship devices according to some sites estimated sales.

Do you really think they made 6 billion in pure profit in 3 months from 10 dollar devices lol

Analysts predicted 70 million gs6 sales for 2015 and that number is 46 million now just for the gs6 alone.

That is more phones then every other Android flagship put together.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Samsung mobile made 6 billion in profits and sold from 40-100 million flagship devices according to some sites estimated sales.

Do you really think they made 6 billion in pure profit in 3 months from 10 dollar devices lol

Apple made a lot more than 6 billion in 2014 though. In fact their tax bill was $6.4m. Samsung mobile reported a 64.2% drop in profits in Q4 of 2014, compared to Q4 of the previous year. It was their worse year for 4 years. Of course these companies earn most of their profit from flagship devices, but originally you said they sold more, suggesting more devices, not more profit, so what is it? The S5 sold less units in its first quarter than a 6 month old iPhone 5S and the Note 4 was stung massively by the release of the iPhone 6 Plus later in the year.

So getting back to your original point before you brought profits into it, what did you mean by Samsung sold more in 2014? They sold far more mobile phones than Apple, we all know that, but what is your point?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Analysts predicted 70 million gs6 sales for 2015 and that number is 46 million now just for the gs6 alone.

That is more phones then every other Android flagship put together.

Hang on a minute, you said Samsung sold more 'last year'. The S6 was released this year and we were talking about 2014 previously.

The S6 is a marked improvement on what was offered last year that is for sure.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

A bit of quick reading from a few sources suggest analysts estimated Samsung would sell 76 million 'smartphones' in 2015. According to several tech sites they have in fact shipped 71 million devices to date up to (August 2015) and the S6 and S6 Edge reportedly account for '20%' of those sales!

That is far from 46 million. Where did you get that figure grkm3?

 

[Truefan31]

Samsung mobile made 6 billion in profits and sold from 40-100 million flagship devices according to some sites estimated sales.

Do you really think they made 6 billion in pure profit in 3 months from 10 dollar devices lol

Analysts predicted 70 million gs6 sales for 2015 and that number is 46 million now just for the gs6 alone.

That is more phones then every other Android flagship put together.

It was forecasted at first 70 million but due to slow sales they've adjusted to 50 mil by eoy. Prolly why they're doing that promo now. They're down about 5% from same quarter last year.

I think a combination of the mid tier android devices are really what's hurting Samsung.

 

[grkm3]

Hang on a minute, you said Samsung sold more 'last year'. The S6 was released this year and we were talking about 2014 previously.

The S6 is a marked improvement on what was offered last year that is for sure.

Samsung sold more total phones then any other oem and you are bringing up margins with apple. And yes of those sales most were flagship phones.

Apple is selling 720p dual core phones with 1 gb of ram while Samsung is selling 8 core socs with 3-4gb ram and everything is state of the art next gen in all there phones.

There margins are way less then apple.they are getting away with murder for what they charge for there specs

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Samsung sold more total phones then any other oem and you are bringing up margins with apple. And yes of those sales most were flagship phones.

Apple is selling 720p dual core phones with 1 gb of ram while Samsung is selling 8 core socs with 3-4gb ram and everything is state of the art next gen in all there phones.

There margins a way less then apple.they are getting away with murder for what they charge for there specs

No, you brought up margins in regard to Apple, not me. Every source is suggesting Samsung are experiencing their fifth successive disappointing quarter with sales at a disappointing 4 year low. The only source I could find that came near your claim of 46 million S6's sold was Android Central who said they 'could' have sold up to 45m. As you previously said, Samsung do not release sales figures for individual devices.

Now you are bringing a totally different slant on things by criticising Apple for not competing with Samsung on hardware. Where does that fit? Personally after using a 4 day old S6 this afternoon and experiencing the lag first hand, one does have to wonder why this superior hardware is not knocking the socks off a nearly 1 year old iPhone 6. Inferior specs, absolutely. Superior handing of tasks I would have to give it to the iPhone. It does have a lovely screen that is much better than the iPhone, I will say that.

Apple are not getting away with anything. If people didn't buy their products then they would soon change their strategy. As it stands they are selling very good smartphones and popularity appears to rise year on year.

 

[grkm3]

Samsung sold 300 million phones in 2014

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Samsung sold 300 million phones in 2014

They didn't sell 300 million flagship devices though. This goes back to my original point of £10 pay as you go phones that can be picked up in the supermarket. These all push towards the impressive 300 million.

Mercedes Benz sold more cars than Ferrari in 2014. Only the very top of Mercs range actually compete in the super car market that are also occupied by Ferrari though. So what can we draw from that? Mercedes make better cars? Or they have a totally different business model?

 

[Truefan31]

Samsung sold more total phones then any other oem and you are bringing up margins with apple. And yes of those sales most were flagship phones.

Apple is selling 720p dual core phones with 1 gb of ram while Samsung is selling 8 core socs with 3-4gb ram and everything is state of the art next gen in all there phones.

There margins are way less then apple.they are getting away with murder for what they charge for there specs

No offense but if most of samsungs phones were the premium flagship models they would've profited more than 6 billion

 

[Vegastouch]

They didn't sell 300 million flagship devices though. This goes back to my original point of £10 pay as you go phones that can be picked up in the supermarket. These all push towards the impressive 300 million.

Mercedes Benz sold more cars than Ferrari in 2014. Only the very top of Mercs range actually compete in the super car market that are also occupied by Ferrari though. So what can we draw from that? Mercedes make better cars? Or they have a totally different business model?

Not buying that. TMobile for instnce has only three pay as you go phones available and none are a Samsung. I dont think a pay as you go phone is very popular otherwise there would be more than the three cheapies they have available. They certainly arent flagship type phones.

 

[Truefan31]

Not buying that. TMobile for instnce has only three pay as you go phones available and none are a Samsung. I dont think a pay as you go phone is very popular otherwise there would be more than the three cheapies they have available. They certainly arent flagship type phones.

Just realistically T-Mobile isn't the only carrier and there's more to the market than the United States. The note 5 isn't even being released in Europe, likely due to low demand/sales.

 

[Vegastouch]

Just realistically T-Mobile isn't the only carrier and there's more to the market than the United States. The note 5 isn't even being released in Europe, likely due to low demand/sales.

I was just giving an example. The other carriers dont have a bunch of prepaid phones to choose from either. I don't really care how many phones Samsung sells or doesn't sell. I just think saying the 300 million sold is a big chunk from prepaid phones is ridiculous. I don't know anyone who has one of those.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Not buying that. TMobile for instnce has only three pay as you go phones available and none are a Samsung. I dont think a pay as you go phone is very popular otherwise there would be more than the three cheapies they have available. They certainly arent flagship type phones.

You are applying that example to one carrier in one market. What about the African markets, India, Eastern Europe to name just a few where flagships are not as popular due to availability and lower pay scales? Cheap mobile phones are sold the world over and the flagship market is rather small in comparison.

One example I can think of for me is the cleaning team at my place of work. Ten people and all issued company mobiles, to which cost about £30 a unit. How many companies throughout the world do this?

As was said above, if the flagship market was as big as some of you make out, even Apple would be making a lot more than they presently do. The likes of Samsung rely heavily on competing in the budget market as well as at the very top. This is constantly under threat by Chinese OEM's who are now competing in Asia. Something is affecting Samsung's declining profits in their mobile division and it's not just Apple.

 

[Abazigal]

Samsung sold more total phones then any other oem and you are bringing up margins with apple. And yes of those sales most were flagship phones.

Apple is selling 720p dual core phones with 1 gb of ram while Samsung is selling 8 core socs with 3-4gb ram and everything is state of the art next gen in all there phones.

There margins are way less then apple.they are getting away with murder for what they charge for there specs

And yet people have no qualms about paying the asking price for an iPhone. What does it say about the competition if we are willing to pay a higher price for a 720p display and a dual-core processor with 1gb of ram, over a higher-specced phone which costs less? User experience is the end, specs are the means. All the specs in the world mean squat if they don't result in a great end user experience for the consumer.

Not to mention that Apple also maintains its own ecosystem (such as icloud, Maps, Siri, which don't bring in any revenue on their own but help sell devices), while Samsung mostly just rides on Google's own services (excluding some services like Samsung Pay and Touchwiz).

Owning the whole stack is clearly more costly and risky for Apple, but their gamble paid off in spades, and Apple is now reaping the fruits of their labour.

 

[Vegastouch]

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And yet people have no qualms about paying the asking price for an iPhone. What does it say about the competition if we are willing to pay a higher price for a 720p display and a dual-core processor with 1gb of ram, over a higher-specced phone which costs less? User experience is the end, specs are the means. All the specs in the world mean squat if they don't result in a great end user experience for the consumer.

Not to mention that Apple also maintains its own ecosystem (such as icloud, Maps, Siri, which don't bring in any revenue on their own but help sell devices), while Samsung mostly just rides on Google's own services (excluding some services like Samsung Pay and Touchwiz).

Owning the whole stack is clearly more costly and risky for Apple, but their gamble paid off in spades, and Apple is now reaping the fruits of their labour.

Well to each their own but the reason I don't have an iPhone and haven't since 2010 is the user experience for me is better on Android.

Samsung has alot more than just Samsung pay and touchwiz, you apparently just don't know about it. They have had their own app store for years to name one and developing Tizen which right now I don't care about but it it may be a viable option at some point.
Apple also uses Google services because some of theirs aren't very good....like Maps.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

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Well to each their own but the reason I don't have an iPhone and haven't since 2010 is the user experience for me is better on Android.

Samsung has alot more than just Samsung pay and touchwiz, you apparently just don't know about it. They have had their own app store for years to name one and developing Tizen which right now I don't care about but it it may be a viable option at some point.
Apple also uses Google services because some of theirs aren't very good....like Maps.

In which case you have decided what you like and have stuck with it, that's fab. I went the opposite way in 2012 and am on my second iPhone after years of Android phones previously. I only owned one Samsung smartphone and that was the S3. Great to begin with but started to stutter and lag. By the time the iPhone 5 was unveiled I was on the pre order list. I chose iOS and have continued to use it because it's reliable, simple and fluid. My recent experience with an S6 didn't fill me confidence nor did I regret sticking with iOS.

Apple uses Google services because they are free and supplied to them like any other Android phone. I don't think the aim for Apple of offering google services because their own are not as good but more with offering users the choice. I use 'Notes' as well as Word, google drive as well as iCloud and google maps as well as Apple maps. If Apple stopped supplying google services, it would be as devastating for Apple as it would be for Google. Not sure what your point is there?

 

[Vegastouch]

In which case you have decided what you like and have stuck with it, that's fab. I went the opposite way in 2012 and am on my second iPhone after years of Android phones previously. I only owned one Samsung smartphone and that was the S3. Great to begin with but started to stutter and lag. By the time the iPhone 5 was unveiled I was on the pre order list. I chose iOS and have continued to use it because it's reliable, simple and fluid. My recent experience with an S6 didn't fill me confidence nor did I regret sticking with iOS.

Apple uses Google services because they are free and supplied to them like any other Android phone. I don't think the aim for Apple of offering google services because their own are not as good but more with offering users the choice. I use 'Notes' as well as Word, google drive as well as iCloud and google maps as well as Apple maps. If Apple stopped supplying google services, it would be as devastating for Apple as it would be for Google. Not sure what your point is there?

I was replying to somebody else so if you read that , then maybe you will see where I was going with it,....not that it matters.
I'm not here to defend anything. Use what you like. These daily arguments over who is better, who sold more phones, yada,yada,yada is childish. Who cares why or how.... just use what you like.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I was replying to somebody else so if you read that , then maybe you will see where I was going with it.

I read it before I responded to you. Not sure how they compare on the points that were raised? They are both customers of Google at the end of the day.

 

[Vegastouch]

I read it before I responded to you. Not sure how they compare on the points that were raised? They are both customers of Google at the end of the day.

Ok, then I guess you didn't get his point which made you miss mine. No big deal, moving on.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Ok, then I guess you didn't get his point which made you miss mine. No big deal, moving on.

He made some very good points about why iOS devices are popular and listed the positive attributes of a company making both the software and hardware. Your response was about why you thought Samsung were also strong by having their own mini App Store and developing their own OS. I didn't agree it was quite as comparable hence why you suggest I don't know what he or you have been talking about. Perhaps it is time to move on after all.

 

[Vegastouch]

He made some very good points about why iOS devices are popular and listed the positive attributes of a company making both the software and hardware. Your response was about why you thought Samsung were also strong by having their own mini App Store and developing their own OS. I didn't agree it was quite as comparable hence why you suggest I don't know what he or you have been talking about. Perhaps it is time to move on after all.

Nope, i wasnt defending Samsung. I was just pointing out that he is wrong saying that all Samsung has is Touchwiz and Samsung pay. They have other things as well. I never said it was a "mini app store" and it isnt a mini app store. Do some research. Just like when he said on the pay as you go phones that i only mentioned ONE carrier. Well do some research, At&t has no Samsungs either and in fact both AT&T and Verizon offer used iPhones for pay as you go devices.

Seems to me this is just two Apple fans trying to make things look better for Apple.....which i dont care about. Im not going to be pulled in these childish arguments so yes, moving on.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Nope, i wasnt defending Samsung. I was just pointing out that he is wrong saying that all Samsung has is Touchwiz and Samsung pay. They have other things as well. I never said it was a "mini app store" and it isnt a mini app store. Do some research. Just like when he said on the pay as you go phones that i only mentioned ONE carrier. Well do some research, At&t has no Samsungs either and in fact both AT&T and Verizon offer used iPhones for pay as you go devices.

Seems to me this is just two Apple fans trying to make things look better for Apple.....which i dont care about. Im not going to be pulled in these childish arguments so yes, moving on.

If the offerings of AT&T, Verizon and any other American network were representative of the rest of the world, half the models on sale in Europe, India, the Middle East and Asia would not exist.

And lastly we've run out of steam and resorted to labelling and suggesting I'm drawing you into childish arguments have we? Classic forum defence mechanism and enough of a hint for me to find somebody who can discuss reasonably. I didn't attack you once. Au revoir.

 

[Vegastouch]

If the offerings of AT&T, Verizon and any other American network were representative of the rest of the world, half the models on sale in Europe, India, the Middle East and Asia would not exist.

And lastly we've run out of steam and resorted to labelling and suggesting I'm drawing you into childish arguments have we? Classic forum defence mechanism and enough of a hint for me to find somebody who can discuss reasonably. I didn't attack you once. Au revoir.

Not saying you are childish, I'm saying these daily arguments of who is better and who has this or that is childish. I'm talking about this section as a whole.