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jwolf6589

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I just don’t think a camcorder (unless you’re going high end) can compete with a device who’s camera is better with each passing year. It’s just too convenient to have one’s iPhone or iPad on you, and press record (with a good mic and/or interface). The iPad recording (for me) is nice because if I want to edit, I dont have to airdrop some huge file from the phone to the iPad. The recorder IS the editor. That said, a camcorder is less conspicuous in some situations and when that’s called for, I use the iPhone.
Many reviews talk about photo quality between say android devices and iPhones, but almost every review says ios video is second to none.
I am a rare breed. Yes I have a Canon Camcorder that I use to shoot video. I prefer it over the phone because it’s only dedicated to video, has many features and so on. I don’t care or need to edit as I am no professional.
 
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ericwn

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Audio recorders? Actually they have far more features than a smart phone. My Sony model has VOR mode and runs on 2 AAA batteries so it will last longer than a smart phone. I don’t think phones killed the market for these devices.

Some dedicated devices stick around but plenty can be done on smartphones. Either way, let’s not drift off topic. The general usefulness of smart devices far outweighs what dedicated devices can do, usually in form of some sort of compromise with regards to specific features that dedicated devices excel at.
 
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Audio recorders? Actually they have far more features than a smart phone. My Sony model has VOR mode and runs on 2 AAA batteries so it will last longer than a smart phone. I don’t think phones killed the market for these devices.
It depends on the hardware. For example. The Shure MV88 allows for the software to dictate the polar pattern of the attached mic. The zoom recorder hardware has 32 bit float now. These are all hardware aspects. And I too use an external recorder for the videos (it also allows me to have a backup track in case the video one glitches). Personally, I love audio recorders. I don’t think I can go back to an attached mic only scenario.
 

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I am a rare breed. Yes I have a Canon Camcorder that I use to shoot video. I prefer it over the phone because it’s only dedicated to video, has many features and so on. I don’t care or need to edit as I am no professional.
I’m no professional either by any stretch. More like a enthusiastic hobbyist. But I wanted 4K (and eventually it’ll be 8K). I knew if I got a hardware cam, I’d be sorta stuck that that resolution for a while.
 
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For iPads? Even though I have gigabit internet and have been through many expensive routers and modems, my internet is still not reliable. Therefore, I have A LOT of movies/TV shows and things downloaded on my iPad where sometimes 2TB is not enough.

On my mac, this problem is fixed by external media and have my iTunes library on an external 8TB drive or even my NAS.
 

jwolf6589

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For iPads? Even though I have gigabit internet and have been through many expensive routers and modems, my internet is still not reliable. Therefore, I have A LOT of movies/TV shows and things downloaded on my iPad where sometimes 2TB is not enough.

On my mac, this problem is fixed by external media and have my iTunes library on an external 8TB drive or even my NAS.
Try the fast download option. Much smaller movies and they still look sharp.
 

kevcube

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Working with 4K video on the device will eat a lot of storage very quickly. Besides, it’s a computer, imagine all the use cases a notebook with a 2TB hard drive would account for, the reasons are pretty similar.
Yes, and my microwave is a computer

There are a few outliers but I think it’s been proven time and time again that professionals can not do their job on an iPad.

I’ve tried! blink.sh remains one of my favorite iPad apps
 

winxmac

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I for one would not need 2TB of iPad storage for I am not able to buy it upfront [full price at point of sale] but for now the highest capacity for an iPad that I would go with will be 256GB... My iPhone 7 Plus has 128GB of storage...

An iPad is a 2 in 1 device... It has a storage and a screen... It replaces a laptop with 128GB or 256GB storage and 2TB external storage... Some people use the iPad as their main camera and store photos and videos on it so a large storage is a necessity... It also allows them to immediately see what they shot without having to transfer it first to an external storage and connect that external storage to a computer... Although some do transfer files to a computer to do the photo and video editing there...

Some use their iPad as an offline music player and download songs and videos from streaming services so even if they are not able to connect to a Wi-Fi network or they have no mobile/cellular reception, they would still be able to listen and watch content wherever they are...

Also, some download multiple apps and even if you use only a handful, the more you use the app, the more storage space it takes... Offloading apps to the cloud only deletes the app from the device, however the space the app uses would be small compared to an data from the app that you have been using for many years [like 5 or 10 years of continuous usage and you have never factory reset or erased content and started from scratch]

I have a 32GB iPad 4 on iOS 10.3.3 and because I have factory reset it this year only a handful of apps can be installed since other app publishers have dropped support for iOS 10 and the old versions are no longer available to install... Because of its limited storage, I plan to save select photos to it from previous years so I can look at them without having to turn on my laptop and connect my external storage to it... [I can still use AirDrop to transfer files to the iPad although I'm not sure if compatibility will be an issue, i.e. files from devices that has newer than iOS 10 to iOS 10.3.3]

Some people get the highest available storage for future proofing and for purposes like what I mentioned above... Software updates, system updates also take up space so that should be part of consideration in buying a device with non-expandable storage...
 
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ericwn

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Yes, and my microwave is a computer

There are a few outliers but I think it’s been proven time and time again that professionals can not do their job on an iPad.

I’ve tried! blink.sh remains one of my favorite iPad apps

Of course it’s a computer it meets the general definition of one and as the iPad forum has shown time and time again plenty people work with their iPads. Just like an Apple watch is a computer or your iPhone. Is it a laptop or desktop replacement? Different question, and not the point of this discussion, and everyone’s mileage may vary.
There are plenty use cases for having more storage, as plenty of posts here have indicated.
 

jwolf6589

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Of course it’s a computer it meets the general definition of one and as the iPad forum has shown time and time again plenty people work with their iPads. Just like an Apple watch is a computer or your iPhone. Is it a laptop or desktop replacement? Different question, and not the point of this discussion, and everyone’s mileage may vary.
There are plenty use cases for having more storage, as plenty of posts here have indicated.
True. I guess to me 256GB is more than enough.
 

Digitalguy

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If Apple made a 4TB and 8TB options for the iPad any you asked the same question, you would get the same answers: some extreme use cases like video editing high res 4k in iMovie or Lumafision, or storing their multi TB video collection on the iPad. Most of these same people probably would not buy it themselves because of the very high price (+$1200 for 4TB and +$2400 for 8TB) but a very small number of people somewhere would...
 

jwolf6589

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If Apple made a 4TB and 8TB options for the iPad any you asked the same question, you would get the same answers: some extreme use cases like video editing high res 4k in iMovie or Lumafision, or storing their multi TB video collection on the iPad. Most of these same people probably would not buy it themselves because of the very high price (+$1200 for 4TB and +$2400 for 8TB) but a very small number of people somewhere would...
I just assumed most use camcorders and MacBook pros to edit video. I assumed incorrectly.
 

Digitalguy

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I just assumed most use camcorders and MacBook pros to edit video. I assumed incorrectly.
You didn't. You probably assumely correctly, most use MacBooks for that kind of videos (and probably also digital cameras) and servers or desktop devices to store multi-TB collections, and would not buy a 2/4/8 TB iPad at those prices, but there will always be exceptions
 

DanteHicks79

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I just don’t think a camcorder (unless you’re going high end) can compete with a device who’s camera is better with each passing year. It’s just too convenient to have one’s iPhone or iPad on you, and press record (with a good mic and/or interface). The iPad recording (for me) is nice because if I want to edit, I dont have to airdrop some huge file from the phone to the iPad. The recorder IS the editor. That said, a camcorder is less conspicuous in some situations and when that’s called for, I use the iPhone.
Many reviews talk about photo quality between say android devices and iPhones, but almost every review says ios video is second to none.

A lot of it is trade-off. The sensors in most smart-phones (which are all primarily Sony-made anyway) are going to usually be superior to what you find in any inexpensive prosumer camcorder. If you want a really good image sensor on a camcorder, you're looking at $1500 min, especially for higher resolutions.

However, the lenses in even the best smart phones are still mostly trash compared to the lens you'll get on a moderately priced camcorder, especially if the camcorder has a bayonet that allows you to swap out lenses or mount a rail system that allows you to use adapters to expand your lens choices.

Additionally, even cheap camcorders allow you to fine-tune your image, like ISO, shutter speed, F-Stop, gain, etc. While smart phones have gotten better, there's still some stuff you just can't adjust on an iPhone camera without investing in software that has the camera APIs to grant you more control than the stock Camera app.

So, do you go for optics/image control, or sensor? 🤔
 

DanteHicks79

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I’m sure many will agree, but it’s great to have options.

Out of the 1TB on my 13 Pro Max, I have 524GB avails. I'm sure most people just use streaming audio services on their phones, but that's not a great option when you find yourself in an area with crap cell coverage - and the bay area shockingly has more dropout spots than you'd think for being the birthplace of most tech.
 

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Out of the 1TB on my 13 Pro Max, I have 524GB avails. I'm sure most people just use streaming audio services on their phones, but that's not a great option when you find yourself in an area with crap cell coverage - and the bay area shockingly has more dropout spots than you'd think for being the birthplace of most tech.

Yeah, cellular can be unreliable. I could be getting 500 Mbps then walk a block or behind a building and then get 20-50 Mbps. Time of day matters, too. I get decent speeds at 6 AM but that can drop down to 1-3 Mbps by noon.
 

PrettyWings

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People fill it with certain kind of videos ;)

We already have split screen. Cookie might unveil multiple audio streams and the ability to play two videos in side-by-side at WWDC. He can’t wait to see what we do with that.
 
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