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Zazoh

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Jan 4, 2009
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I would never go back to an iPhone just because my friends or family like iMessage and want me on it too, LOL ok have fun, I'll stay on Android.

It’s also not about installing another app. Google has/had Hangouts, Allo, Messaging, none complete, never finished. They are trying to unite carriers to RCS, but still Apple is not going to do iMessage cross platform. There are dozens available, but I’m not going to be able to move everyone over to FB messenger either. Why would I? Like I’ve said, I’ve used them all and iMessage is better.

So much so, your an Android user still looking in.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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Las Vegas, NV
It’s also not about installing another app. Google has/had Hangouts, Allo, Messaging, none complete, never finished. They are trying to unite carriers to RCS, but still Apple is not going to do iMessage cross platform. There are dozens available, but I’m not going to be able to move everyone over to FB messenger either. Why would I? Like I’ve said, I’ve used them all and iMessage is better.

So much so, your an Android user still looking in.
I can tell you what draws ME here.
Information!
This place is busy and I'm not a die-hard tech guy or have a phone fetish so I go months without keeping up while many others buy the newest stuff every year. I'd rather come here to read about it with people I've been seeing posting for years.

I only come to the "Alternative to iOS" section.

No interest in the other sections. I used to go to other sections when I had an iPhone. Mostly the hacker/jailbreak sections. but I haven't had one since 2010. Android does for me what I had to jailbreak iPhone to do so I never went back.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
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[MOD NOTE]
A number of posts were removed due to being off topic, please stay on topic.
 

TTTedP

macrumors 6502
Nov 27, 2017
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to the OP, my quick take aways when trying to replace all my Apple devices or services with alternatives;

tl:dr - yes, plenty of good alternatives to Apple.

Phone - tried a couple Pixels. They were very good. ALso have access to other brands and find the Samsung devices mimic Apple hardware quality but have an extra layer of duplicate apps so a quick no from me.

Tablets - never found a good alternate other than I used a Surface to replace both my iPad and MBP.

Laptop - as said, used a Surface Pro and a Dell laptop. The Dell was nice but required extra work to make it "pure" Windows. All in all, it would be fine long term. The Surface Pro was nice - I would say it was a little too large to lap while couch sitting and a little too small for daily work activities. I needed a dock to hook up additional monitors and worked OK but I found scaling issues between the screens I dont experience on Mac.

Watch - went Garmin and it's great. So much so that I sold the AW.

TV - the built in apps on all my TV's stream 4k natively where Apple TV's you still have to mess with. However, when trying to install all the apps on my ATV to the various TV platforms, I found many missing or not as good. This was a big negative. If you're a cord cutter and go 100% ATV with ARC/CEC connected devices, the ATV and Siri Remote are pretty darn good. I have replaced alot of AV gear with just an ATV and Sonos system.

WiFi - tried Google and Ubiquiti both. Ubiquiti was powerful but fussy, not family friendly. Google (at the time) lacked some of the profile and filtering tweaks I like with a Pi Hole. I settled on Eero and their Plus service as a nice balance, less apps and devices. Coverage and speed have been great.

Browsers - Chrome is the old standard but I feel the newer ones have some neat features. I cant get past the nagging idea of Google data mining me. Big fan of Reading view in Safari and how it strips away the noise and ads. Edge is pretty good. Firefox seems to be a nice balance. Firefox Focus on Android was good, private. Plenty of choice.

Other online services - if you're using the Cloud to keep things synched across devices, obviously plenty of options but I compared iCloud-Google-MS O365. We all know how powerful Google is here. MS is making a lot of headway with O365 and I would have no issues using one of them 100%. I stick with iCloud because I stayed 100% Apple and its the only way to reap all the walled garden benfefits.

In the end I felt 85% OK going with the Apple alternatives and feel I could ultimately adjust. Some items that sent me back were; family settings, shared subscriptions, Parental controls, etc - much easier to keep all that under one roof. Ease of workflow was a big one. it might be muscle memory but my workflow felt rough. Resale value was another consideration since I like to upgrade at least yearly.

Of course, my experience only. Others will have theirs.
 
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SteveJUAE

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I think the fact that iOS vs Android often circles back to living without iMessage and FaceTime shows just how dominant those apps are in the US. I would also venture a bet that most everyone that craps on iMessage would download day one if Apple made it available on Android.
Maybe so just in US and AUS but the rest of the world I would say it would be a mediocre take up at best

Although last stats we had Imessage was still 2nd to FB messenger in the US it maybe a closer call now, but there are still 10's on millions in the US who cannot use IMessage

The only reason take up in the US would fare better is it's one of a few countries that still have bundled compulsory sms/mms with data packages from the main carriers and so the integration of "E" messages along with standard sms/mms seems more coinvent

Elsewhere in the world sms/mms is a dying trend and a combined app is almost trivial as sms/mms is least likely to be used over other potential free services

I suspect many actually like the fact that they can control their tiny budgets on data etc by solely using an e message app service or free wifi and not accidently spam sms/mms to friends that cost both to send and receive especially with mms.

We should not assume and presume that typical trends in the US/West (re monthly data and even sms/mms) are typical. Many mange their connectivity via free WiFI at work or shops/bars etc and often buy data on a daily basis

For these 100's of millions Imessenger brings little to the party and that's why Whatsapp is dominant and why no one is interested in writing a similar app to Imessenger

Meanwhile back on topic :)

I think outside these forums and us tech enthusiasts the Eco systems are mainly hype and FOMO opposed to reality is the driving force

Sure we all like you can do this that and the other from numerous devices but for most do they need too, especially given the cost

Making things easier and invisible continuity sure big thumbs up, security cams on your mobile sure but i doubt many are sitting on the couch each night deciding which one of 16m colors to set your lounge lights too etc.

The ECO systems at home are more about diminishing the number of remotes :D and having a central local for making settings or expanding , but not for endless fiddling on a daily basis ie set it and forget it

I think my wife is more of a typical smart watch user and apart from the oblivious steps, heat rate count her primary usage is a screening service to see if a message or notification is worth more of her time. I think like many she is not debating to switch or adjust X,Y ,Z around the house with her watch

There is already a considerable overlap of features on our devices and adding more because you can I do not see this as a win win and hype for justification of over spending on something you are likely to only use occasionally if at all for most

I see little to recommend by not having a mixed eco. Having all your eggs in one basket particularly with Apple who are almost fickle on what they allow or not is almost a contradiction of what a ECO should be

By choosing your products wisely and within your budget and expected range of usage is the way to go IMO and Google currently gives a greater freedom for all tastes other than those that want the same logo every time
 
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s66

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A few years back I was doing support at a small company. 2 sales had the odd Android device they could not figure out a setting to work with our servers.
I took one of their phones and found after a bit of trial and error what it had to be set at.
Documented it and sent it to the other sales for them to use.
Got back that the menus did not exist.
Checked it myself: and indeed the whole device was utterly different in settings menus.
Both claimed their device was running fully up to date software.

So as far as my using Android: it sucks utterly. Simple configurations to talk a really simple set of standard protocols to a server are utterly complex to get set up properly and worst of all: these devices have no standard user interface when it comes to settings.

To me it was the final nail in the Android coffin. I've been avoiding it "like the plague" ever since
[Sadly in 2020 I learned that "avoiding something like the plague" means something different to others than it does to me]
 

filu_

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May 30, 2020
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As others have written - it depends on the country or continent. For me, Apple equipment is less popular. Perhaps it is a question of price - taxes in Europe or the $ exchange rate.

For example, the surcharge for the i5 processor in MBA for me in the Apple Store is $ 125.

Such a digression, but for half the price of the iPhone SE 2020 you have dozens of Android alternatives and people are buying it.
 

macher

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Oct 13, 2012
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I'm not a fan of group chats, especially with my colleagues from work ;)

What's cool about iMessages is that I just write a message in one app and don't wonder if it's going to be SMS to someone on Android or iMessage to someone on iPhone. It matters if I want to send media. Then, for example, a message appears that the movie is too long.

We use iMessage only. But when we visit my wife’s family in France we have to use iMessage to communicate with them because they don’t use iMessage they use WhatsApp. They don’t even know what iMessage is lol weird, it’s like so natural for them to use WhatsApp in the same way it’s so natural for us to use iMessage.
 
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Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
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I'm not a fan of group chats, especially with my colleagues from work ;)

What's cool about iMessages is that I just write a message in one app and don't wonder if it's going to be SMS to someone on Android or iMessage to someone on iPhone. It matters if I want to send media. Then, for example, a message appears that the movie is too long.
I get charged 55p per picture or video I sent via the messages app if it’s going to an Android user. However if I send it via whatsapp it’s free.
 
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