The iMacs at my school have Leopard, not SL, and I didn't notice the difference until some 3rd party software that works on my SL MBP at home didn't work on those iMacs.
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Who's sticking with Snow Leopard?
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The iMacs at my school have Leopard, not SL, and I didn't notice the difference until some 3rd party software that works on my SL MBP at home didn't work on those iMacs.
I think I'll stay with SL for the time being. Some features (like spaces) were removed in Lion and I don't see any truly compelling things added.
Does anyone know, can you buy a new mac after lion comes out and install SL on it? Do they maintain older releases with kernel updates to support new hardware?
Does anyone know, can you buy a new mac after lion comes out and install SL on it? Do they maintain older releases with kernel updates to support new hardware?
Spaces is what it has always been. Up to 16 "Desktops" each a different "space". It might be activated differently, but it is still spaces.
I would have thought most people on MR would be in the category of buying first day(either first day of Dev or Retail releases) install on a non-vital machine. Then be expected to give the nod of when their fellow co-workers, family and friends should upgrade (oh add Clients to that list for the Developers).
If the machine was on sale when Lion is released then you should be able to downgrade it back to Snow Leopard if you can get your hands on the install disk for machine. But you won't be able to buy from Apple in that config. The smaller independent retailers may do this for you.
Once the machine gets a physical update after Lion then the downgrade is not likely.
I'm going to stick to os9 because I'm to scared about updating.
I still use OS9 alongside Mac OSX Snow Leopard. Its a great OS that has lots of stuff compatible with it
I still use OS9 alongside Mac OSX Snow Leopard. Its a great OS that has lots of stuff compatible with it
Agreed, I have a G4 cube just to give me the ability to run OS9. The funny thing is when I fire up office and photoshop on my cube, the performance is that of a current day Mac. The only difference is that it can crash, not as feature rich and there's really no multitasking. Still when I yearn for the old days I crank that baby up
No, "spaces" (as seen in 10.5 and 10.6) is a framework for creating a grid of desktops and only desktops where you could arrange your workflow the way you wanted and leave it that way. It was a rigid structure that didn't change.
The new thing they're calling spaces in 10.7 is a collection of desktops, full screen apps, and the dashboard. They can only be setup in a long 1-dimensional line and they change position on their own based on what windows you click on. It's a fundamentally different app that Apple likely built from the ground up for Lion and just deleted the old spaces. Just because they gave it the same name doesn't mean it's the same thing. Heck, the icon for spaces doesn't even make sense with the new one:
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I understand, I've been using it since it was released. The setup is different, you can no longer click a Plus or Minus circle to add a row or column space, but the concept is the same. It is the same thing, virtual desktops the user can switch between. The concept of viewing the spaces has changed in Lion, now called mission control, but you can still move between spaces by keyboard. I just wanted to point out spaces was not deleted in Lion. Even if you don't like the new way they are displayed it was not removed in any sense of the word and in fact has been integrated with Exposé in Lion.
I agree, I can't see myself swiping through 6 spaces just to get to the one I want. I can't see myself getting used to the spaces rearranging themselves either. I also can't see what the point of not using a grid is. Wouldn't it be awesome to just have the old spaces, where you could set them up in a single row if you wish so, or a grid? Wouldn't it be great to just swipe up/down/left/right with 4 fingers between all your spaces in all directions? I'm a visual person and I imagine where my windows are, physically, even if they're not on the screen. Like right now, the space above this one, I know that there is Skype, and the space on the right there's Photoshop, and on the left there's Mail. So from this space, I can get to 3 different ones with a single movement. It's easier for me to remember where things are like this, instead of just remembering them in a freaking single row.
I'm not seeing them rearrange themselves. When do they do that? I guess I am not seeing that.
Agreed, I have a G4 cube just to give me the ability to run OS9. The funny thing is when I fire up office and photoshop on my cube, the performance is that of a current day Mac. The only difference is that it can crash, not as feature rich and there's really no multitasking. Still when I yearn for the old days I crank that baby up
I've got an iBook for running OS9. Its a G3, so its not nearly as powerful as your cube, but there's some sweet classic games that go well on it (Simcity 2000, Macinvaders, Spaceway 2000, Prince of Persia, Glider Pro...
BTW Macintosh garden is a great place of getting classic games and software.
Do this:
Set up at least 3 spaces.
Open safari and put it in space 1
Open mail and put it in space 2
Open ical and put it in space 3
(note: don't open any of these in "full screen" mode, just normal windows will do)
Now open mission control and notice that your spaces are in order. Ie. Desktop 1 - Desktop 2 - Desktop 3
Now, close mission control, go to space one, and click on iCal from the dock. Open mission control again. You'll see it now goes Desktop 1 - Desktop 3 - Desktop 2
Why? Because you were in space 1, and you activated an app that was in space 3. Instead of just taking you there, the OS moved space 3 to your immediate right so that it would be close to you. It seems the idea is to keep your "most used" apps close to you. Since space 1 never moves, this effectively means the spaces will be ordered from left to right, most recent to least recent. I can see the merit in this idea but for those of us who lay out our spaces in a certain order for a specific reason, it's just frustrating. Since you can't rearrange them any other way (like clicking and dragging them in mission control) I find myself systematically clicking dock icons to "force" them back into order.
Interesting, I can't replicate that. Just tried and mine don't jump out of order. Sounds like a bug at the vary least.
Click ical and safari a few times (clicking the dock icons). It should be moving you back and forth between the space with safari and the space with ical right? Now look at the arrangement of spaces in mission control. Is the one with safari not next to the one with ical?
It would be interesting if so. I haven't heard of anyone with lion not getting this behavior so far...
Let me try again.
Got it to do it. Weird. I would say it's a bug, why would Apple want them to show out of order. I'll file a report.
I'll be sticking with Snow for the foreseeable future - not because I have any particular aversion to Lion, but more because my dear old MacBook is of the Core Duo vintage, and it looks like they won't be supported. So, whenever I get a new Mac, that will probably run Lion; but that won't be for at least another year or two yet.
It could be a bug. I filed a bug report too since they asked us to report "anything that breaks productivity" as well.
However, I'm pretty sure it's intentional. If you have an iPhone/iPad or whatever, look at how the icons are arranged in the quick launch bar (aka multitasking bar). They go from left to right by most recently used. If you happened to use the 4-finger gestures in the iPad developer beta, swiping left or right moves you between your apps in the same order that they are displayed in the quick launch bar. I think the idea is for OSX to mimic that behavior. If you only think of spaces as full screen apps and not desktops, you can see the similarity. That also explains why you can't "drag and drop" to rearrange spaces while in mission control. They want to OS to order them automatically.
Hopefully I'm wrong, it's a bug, or Apple gives us the option of "manual control". They can still change anything before the release. Maybe if enough people write in about it, they will.