Why a Mac is so much better than a PC

[Robnsn2015]

1. OK
2. Citation Required. How often do you see a 10-year old Mac with the original OS? How often do you see a 10-year old Windows PC with the original OS? I don't think this use case really exists outside of servers.
3. Apple has no matte screen options available. Matte > anti-reflective coatings.
4. OK, though some manufacturers have improved significantly recently.
5. There are other computers like the Surfacebook that look the same way.
6. Windows on a Macbook Pro is awful. Horrible battery life. Horrible drivers. Been there, done that.
7. Completely subjective.
8. Eh, maybe. Windows update is fine *when it works*. The problem is that it sometimes doesn't. The number of updates or frequency of updates isn't the issue, the reliability of windows update is the issue.
9. No?
10. No.
11. No!
(12.) Not a stupid comment at all. Price is a huge consideration when buying anything unless you're filthy rich.

1. Windows 10's HiDPI settings have fixed these issues for most apps.
2. Windows 10 S mode addresses the issue of Windows slowing down over time. Also, you can use Windows in non-S mode and just be careful what you install.
3. The poster above hit the nail on the head here.
4. Ditto. Also, Mac gives you better speakers, but they are able to do that because they free up space by gluing and soldering down everything.
5. PC laptops that smudge such as the Lenovo Thinkpad or the Dell Latitude do because of the coating they use to meet mil-std 810G specifications. I'd rather have a computer that smudges than a computer that scratches or dents easily.
6. I bought the first generation, Intel-based MacBook Pro in 2006 and put Parallels 1.0 on it. Being using Parallels and VMware's products since then. A Windows machine generally runs Windows better than a Mac runs Windows.
7. Totally agree with poster above.
8. You can delay Windows updates, especially with Windows 10 Pro. But for the most part, updates are a "good" thing.
9. Subjective.
10. No.
11. Depends on the machine. Also, Macs are generally quiet because they throttle the processor sooner.
12. You can get a Windows machine that is as cheap or as expensive as you want them to be. It's called having options.

 

[belvdr]

Summation of thread: use what you like.

 

[bluespark]

I agree with some of these, but quality is a mixed bag. One one hand, Macs for years have had outstanding case designs (lightweight, very rigid, use the case as a heatsink, etc.), as well as outstanding displays and trackpads, but many of us would rate Apple's recent keyboards below those found on many PC laptops. Also, quality varies considerably by manufacturer. Lenovo's laptops, for example, are very well designed and are of excellent quality. Microsoft's Surface line is also quite good from a quality standpoint.

Also, PC's have some features Apple does not -- touchscreens being one obvious example. Macs are excellent, but they aren't the only game in town.

 

[LeeW]

Summation of thread: use what you like.

Indeed, like I said earlier:

I always come back to the same statement, "cost and style aside, use what works for you".

A Mac is not better than a PC, a pc is not better than a Mac, they are different, some people are all Mac, some all PC and some like me are a bit of both.

I recently spent £1,700 on a 13-inch MBP, compare it to some laptops in the windows market and some will say I get less bang for my buck/pound. But I enjoy working on it, far more than a PC and my productivity is higher.

A friend just built a PC for £2,500, far more powerful than my MBP but as a gamer will he ever really use that 32GB of ram? No. Will he ever fill the 2TB of NVME? Probably not. Will he max out that Nvidia card and make it work for the money paid? Nope.

Would he have been able to get the same performance if he had spent a lot less than he did? Yes, but he is happy with it, so we are both happy with what we have and respect each other's choices, that is how it should work!

 

[AidenShaw]

Honestly? How about a link at apple.com saying which UEFI version that they support? [edit: that is, which released UEFI revision spec Apple systems are compliant with]
I stand by my .sig.

Of course you stand.

I'll stand by my .sig about Apple's non-compliant, bastardized, deprecated EFI implementation until I see reasonable evidence that Apple has changed and is now shipping UEFI-compliant systems. If that evidence is produced, I'll immediately change my .sig to correct the error.

That's why my .sig is calling for Apple to change, and to support industry-standard UEFI on whatever the MP7,1 turns out to be.

The "boot" GPU problem would simply go away, if the Apple mMac Pro re-design were to include a PC-standard UEFI bios instead of their non-standard EFI scheme, which is only there for anti-Hackintosh purposes. Surely there is a better way for them to attempt to prevent the Hackintosh, while still retaining the ability to use standard and un-modified PC graphic cards (as the "boot" GPU)?

Of course you wouldn't have a boot screen issue on your system because Apple has glued or soldered all the components (along with Apple firmwares), but it's a real issue for systems with upgradeable graphics cards.

I never even think about flashing the firmware issues when upgrading GPUs on my servers and workstations, it "just works". Sad that it doesn't "just work" on Apples, although it would "just work" if Apple supported UEFI.

 

[TimmeyCook]

I'll stand by my .sig about Apple's non-compliant, bastardized, deprecated EFI implementation until I see reasonable evidence that Apple has changed and is now shipping UEFI-compliant systems. If that evidence is produced, I'll immediately change my .sig to correct the error.

That's why my .sig is calling for Apple to change, and to support industry-standard UEFI on whatever the MP7,1 turns out to be.


Of course you wouldn't have a boot screen issue on your system because Apple has glued or soldered all the components (along with Apple firmwares), but it's a real issue for systems with upgradeable graphics cards.

I never even think about flashing the firmware issues when upgrading GPUs on my servers and workstations, it "just works". Sad that it doesn't "just work" on Apples, although it would "just work" if Apple supported UEFI.

If anyone asks me, I don't think the most vocal people in that thread know what they are talking about, and they are basing their assumptions out of what they see others talking about, etc.
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6. I bought the first generation, Intel-based MacBook Pro in 2006 and put Parallels 1.0 on it. Being using Parallels and VMware's products since then.

If ONLY there was a way to run Windows natively on Intel Macs...

A Windows machine generally runs Windows better than a Mac runs Windows.

Not really. First, because there are no "Windows machines". There are Intel/AMD machines that run Windows.

11. Depends on the machine. Also, Macs are generally quiet because they throttle the processor sooner.

Untrue.

PC guys cannot afford the fact that Macs come with better cooling solutions, and better fans.

Macs are silent because they have aluminium monocoque chassis, and even the fans have asymmetrical blades that distribute the noise through multiple different frequencies, making the noise more like white noise.

12. You can get a Windows machine that is as cheap or as expensive as you want them to be. It's called having options.

And the machine that you want is out of stock, only BTO, and costs way more than the machine they have in stock and in promotion, so you'll probably better end up buying a Mac.

 

[Lloydbm41]

PC guys cannot afford the fact that Macs come with better cooling solutions, and better fans.

Macs are silent because they have aluminium monocoque chassis, and even the fans have asymmetrical blades that distribute the noise through multiple different frequencies, making the noise more like white noise.

I have a Dell XPS 13 and even when the fan does come on, I can barely hear it. And it rarely comes on. So, not sure if you are referring to the cheap under-$500 type PC’s in your statement?

I debated a long time between getting the XPS or MBP, and the advantages of the Dell far outweighed those of the MBP, for nearly half the price too!

 

[TimmeyCook]

I have a Dell XPS 13 and even when the fan does come on, I can barely hear it. And it rarely comes on. So, not sure if you are referring to the cheap under-$500 type PC’s in your statement?

So it must also overheat because I have heard you need a chunky laptop with BIG FANS to cool a processor like that.
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I debated a long time between getting the XPS or MBP, and the advantages of the Dell far outweighed those of the MBP, for nearly half the price too!

I expected nothing less from a person that his avatar is an Android mascot eating an Apple logo.

https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space-gray-256gb-2.3ghz-quad-core

Só what Dell has that competes with this, for $750?

 

[AidenShaw]

If anyone asks me, I don't think the most vocal people in that thread know what they are talking about, and they are basing their assumptions out of what they see others talking about, etc.

Is this an admission that you've failed to find any evidence that Apple is compliant with any UEFI spec, and is in fact shipping a bastardized non-standard fork of the deprecated EFI spec?

 

[Lloydbm41]

So it must also overheat because I have heard you need a chunky laptop with BIG FANS to cool a processor like that.

Oh, well, if 'you've heard' that, then it MUST be true. So, you have zero personal experience to talk then? Just as I thought.

I expected nothing less from a person that his avatar is an Android mascot eating an Apple logo.

I've been on this forum for many years. I've had that avatar for a long time. But I just happen to have an iMac 27", Dell XPS 13, iPhone X, Apple Watch, Samsung Tab S2 and just about every previous generation of iPhone in my collection. You see, I use the best product for my needs, and don't blindly follow a company logo. But that's just me.

https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space-gray-256gb-2.3ghz-quad-core
Só what Dell has that competes with this, for $750?

Well, your link shows a MBP for $1900. So, half of that would be $950, not $750. But I digress.
Link: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/xps-13/spd/xps-13-9360-laptop/fncwtr755s

 

[Sackofnickels]

1. Mac OS is soooo much better optimised for higher resolutions.

2. Normal use is sooo much faster on a Mac. And it keeps its speed for many many years. Meanwhile Windows get slow. A Mac can hold well for 10 years.

3. Anti reflective screen. Some PCs have a good screen. But they reflect light like hell in the higher resolutions.

3. Screen brightness. When sitting outside nothing beats a Mac.

4. The speakers! For me the speakers is super important. Why in hell cant any PC-manufacturer make better ones than apple?

5. MacBook Pro is good not to show smudge on the chassi. For example the Razer blade and Dell XPS get smudged as hell after only some minutes. Looks awful!

6. You can use Windows on a Mac if you want to. (For gaming)

7. Design. They look the best.

8. The updates. It’s only one every 2 months. Windows is update hell.

9. Settings. In widows it’s so much weird **** that you should turn off.

10. Battery life. It’s better.

11. More quiet.


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Things like " yeah but you can get it for half the price lol rofl... " for me is the stupidest comment in these discussions

And I also don't understand why PC- manufactures can't do as good quality as a Mac. Especially the trackpad and the speakers.

I’ve got an iMac and a MacBook Pro and a Mac mini. But I also got a desktop PC with a 34 inch Alienware screen I game on. I am no Apple fan. I use both. But on the laptop side and phones. I think Apple is hard to beat. But in the desktop area I think PC is better. Macs have not been good gaming-machines since 2012 with the GTX680MX that was amazing.

Asking if Mac is better than PC on a Mac forum. I expect unbiased reasonable responses.
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What really gets me is it's 2018 and no Windows PC maker has yet made an 'all in one' that is even close to the quality of the iMac. Nothing is even close!

Thats like saying Hyundai hasn't made anything close to a Porsche GT. Two different markets, consumer base, and design philosophies. Apples and oranges so to speak.

 

[Shanghaichica]

It’s better because:

You don’t suffer multiple hardware failures within your warranty period.

It doesn’t take 10 minutes to start up


It doesn’t keep throwing up error messages.

It doesn’t slow down after a few months

It doesn’t need to be maintained

You don’t keep getting bugged about ‘important software’ updates all the time.

Updating the software doesn’t ruin the computer

You don’t have to run bloated AV software on it.