Sources for these so-called facts? The fat lager drinking bloke at the pub?
I can see where this is going so I'll retire from this thread, but not without saying that you have not backed up any of your statements with cold, hard science.
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Why a Mac Pro? Why not a PC?
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I can see where this is going so I'll retire from this thread, but not without saying that you have not backed up any of your statements with cold, hard science.
Cheers.
Hmmm let's see about your cold hard science.
And Windows machines today don't have an enormous variety of hardware that can cause conflicts?
Windows rot, hanging, refusing to print, connect to the internet, sounding like a Canberra Bomber on takeoff: are not caused by malware.
The Windows code base is extremely bloated due to legacy issues and things often break and when you try to fix them other things break.
And let's not forget Vista.
Fact is Scrivener 2, Final Cut Pro, Aperture, Keynote etc, etc are designed for Macs.
Adobe concentrated on Carbon rather than Cocoa and got themselves in rather a sticky wicket.
Where is the science in all this?
I was basing my comments on personal experience, observation and knowledge.
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Many Windows users have problems because they feel the need to CONTROL the computer as they have done for years while with a Mac you just turn it on and use it for the task you want .Macs dont get pop up ads that open up another screen
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I used to be a huge pc guy ... never liked macs because I loved swapping components out without having to buy a new machine when something new came out. About two years ago I bought a mbp and fell in love with osx and eventually bought a used 8 core mac pro. I really just love the look and quality of the mac pros. It does everything I need it to do.
I dont have to deal with fan noise and everything I did when I was modding PCs. Crashes, etc...I dont hate PCs but I would much prefer to use a mac.
And I would never buy a dual cpu PC workstation. I would just get a single chip and overclock it, something I do miss from time to time.
I dont have to deal with fan noise and everything I did when I was modding PCs. Crashes, etc...I dont hate PCs but I would much prefer to use a mac.
And I would never buy a dual cpu PC workstation. I would just get a single chip and overclock it, something I do miss from time to time.
That is completely untrue, I have been to sites that open other windows on my Mac, it one of the reasons I run noscript, mind you they were questionable web sites *cough cough* torrent site, but there is no fear of getting hijacked or infected with a Mac.
If we compare apples to apples as it were
Try to spec out a DELL Precision or HP Z series workstation with the same specs as a mac pro, you quickly find the the price difference disappears. You are trying to compare a home PC with a Workstation Class computer, that uses workstation class parts, for maximum up time.
If we look at the car comparison, sure you can strap a supped up Chevy 350 into a hunk of junk, and make it go like stink, but it's still not a Porsche.
A proper comparison's been done on multiple occasions, and the $1000 or so difference holds true on SP systems (same Xeon CPU, not consumer models from Dell,...). It's when you get into DP models that the price difference shrinks or vanishes.
The Register did a comparison with a dual processor Dell a little while ago and the Mac Pro came out $1,000 cheaper than the Dell.
The pricing I used was for the US.The Register did a comparison with a dual processor Dell a little while ago and the Mac Pro came out $1,000 cheaper than the Dell.
Not sure what's going on in the UK or other parts of the world in terms of pricing lately, as I've not looked lately ( I'm accustomed to it being higher in the UK as a general rule, but the recent changes in the value of the US Dollar may shifted this).
I've been using Macs and PCs since 1984. At home I've always used a Mac, and at work, I've always used a PC. I'm comfortable using both, but you could not pay me to buy a PC: If I were buying a new computer and someone offered me a new top-of-the-line PC for free, I'd still pay for the Mac.
Generally, the PCs I've used at work have crashed more in one week (often one day) than my Mac crashes in a year. With a Mac, I don't worry about viruses, malware, spyware, or the vagaries to which PCs are subject. I don't have to worry about DLL files, service packs, and all the nasty little surprises that seem to crop up at work. I know that this is purely personal, but when I use a PC, I feel like a victim, while when using a Mac I feel like I'm in control. There are other, more technical, reasons for my opinion, but that sums it up.
I have VMWare fusion on my Mac so I can run PC programs if necessary, something I do occasionally for work.
So, all in all, I don't give a crap which computer is cheaper: to reiterate, you couldn't *pay* me to have a PC in my home.
Generally, the PCs I've used at work have crashed more in one week (often one day) than my Mac crashes in a year. With a Mac, I don't worry about viruses, malware, spyware, or the vagaries to which PCs are subject. I don't have to worry about DLL files, service packs, and all the nasty little surprises that seem to crop up at work. I know that this is purely personal, but when I use a PC, I feel like a victim, while when using a Mac I feel like I'm in control. There are other, more technical, reasons for my opinion, but that sums it up.
I have VMWare fusion on my Mac so I can run PC programs if necessary, something I do occasionally for work.
So, all in all, I don't give a crap which computer is cheaper: to reiterate, you couldn't *pay* me to have a PC in my home.
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Hmmm let's see about your cold hard science.
And Windows machines today don't have an enormous variety of hardware that can cause conflicts?
Windows rot, hanging, refusing to print, connect to the internet, sounding like a Canberra Bomber on takeoff: are not caused by malware.
The Windows code base is extremely bloated due to legacy issues and things often break and when you try to fix them other things break.
And let's not forget Vista.
Fact is Scrivener 2, Final Cut Pro, Aperture, Keynote etc, etc are designed for Macs.
Adobe concentrated on Carbon rather than Cocoa and got themselves in rather a sticky wicket.
Where is the science in all this?
I was basing my comments on personal experience, observation and knowledge.
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about.
I understand people preferring Macs and stuff, but the sheer arrogance coupled with ignorance in threads like these is maddening. OSX is not better than windows. You may like it better. That is fine, and just a personal preference, not an objective fact. It is amazing to me that so many adults simply cannot recognize this.
Having used both Windows and OS X for the last 15 years I do know what I am talking about. However I should have said that OS X is better for what I do with a computer. If I was a gamer than Windows would be the way to go.
Just to jump in here, from a pure computer science perspective, Mac OS X and other UNIX variants are significantly better from the architectural level up. That is an undeniable fact. Windows' architecture is nowhere near as good as UNIXs is, although this really does have little impact on your preference (or should have little impact) - it is technically correct to say the OS X is better than Windows, because from a Computer Science perspective, it is in fact better. (Argue with that if you will, but every single computer scientist knows this to be the case - it is cold hard solid fact, and before you ask, I use Windows 7 and Mac OS X daily, and for what I do (Video Editing and Coding) - OS X is the better solution. However it is, under all scenarios, technically the better platform, just not always the better solution)
I use both, hate one, guess which....
I use Mac OS X and Windows on a daily basis, as the "local tech guy" (alpha geek) in my social environment I also support both Macs and PCs for many different and varied purposes in the community. I support a roughly equal number of both platforms.
I specify machines for their purpose, when somebody comes to me for help choosing I look at their intended use, budget and help to make the right decisions (hopefully).
When I spec and support a Mac in this way, it arrives, I get it out of the box and switch it on, I walk away and come back once a year to say:
"Is it still working?"
"Yes, thanks."
"Bye."
When I spec a PC I have to order the parts, assemble it, test it, reassemble it, test it, return malfunctioning parts, reassemble it, test it, install it, set it up, spend about 3 hours teaching the person what changed in it, then wait for the irate/worried phonecall.
The PCs I maintain are usually built down to a budget and to get the best performance out of them I need to self build, what I can make for £400 is far better spec than I can buy off the shelf for £600 and all the PC users I service are obsessed with cost/budget in these dark financial times.
Off the shelf PCs cause me more grief than my self built ones for some reason, they leave major components out (GFX cards, enough RAM to run the OS....) or use under rated cheap components (150w Acer PSU in your tower sir?) which fail very quickly.
Unfortunately this costs time, productivity, reliability, security and ultimately makes for a bad end user experience that requires support in the short term and long run.
Last time I repaired a Mac? Replacement hard drive in a 5 year old iMac, last year sometime.
Last time I repaired a PC? This week, a Vista laptop with a denial of service attack that killed its USB, Ethernet and Wireless connections.
Before that I replaced a dead motherboard, CPU and RAM after a PSU burn out, just 3 days earlier....
I don't get paid an IT admin salary for this so I don't want unreliable hardware or software in my life. Unfortunately not everyone can afford to buy an alternative.
"Mac for productivity, Linux for innovation, Windows for Solitaire." as the ancient developers motto says.
Rant over.
I use Mac OS X and Windows on a daily basis, as the "local tech guy" (alpha geek) in my social environment I also support both Macs and PCs for many different and varied purposes in the community. I support a roughly equal number of both platforms.
I specify machines for their purpose, when somebody comes to me for help choosing I look at their intended use, budget and help to make the right decisions (hopefully).
When I spec and support a Mac in this way, it arrives, I get it out of the box and switch it on, I walk away and come back once a year to say:
"Is it still working?"
"Yes, thanks."
"Bye."
When I spec a PC I have to order the parts, assemble it, test it, reassemble it, test it, return malfunctioning parts, reassemble it, test it, install it, set it up, spend about 3 hours teaching the person what changed in it, then wait for the irate/worried phonecall.
The PCs I maintain are usually built down to a budget and to get the best performance out of them I need to self build, what I can make for £400 is far better spec than I can buy off the shelf for £600 and all the PC users I service are obsessed with cost/budget in these dark financial times.
Off the shelf PCs cause me more grief than my self built ones for some reason, they leave major components out (GFX cards, enough RAM to run the OS....) or use under rated cheap components (150w Acer PSU in your tower sir?) which fail very quickly.
Unfortunately this costs time, productivity, reliability, security and ultimately makes for a bad end user experience that requires support in the short term and long run.
Last time I repaired a Mac? Replacement hard drive in a 5 year old iMac, last year sometime.
Last time I repaired a PC? This week, a Vista laptop with a denial of service attack that killed its USB, Ethernet and Wireless connections.
Before that I replaced a dead motherboard, CPU and RAM after a PSU burn out, just 3 days earlier....
I don't get paid an IT admin salary for this so I don't want unreliable hardware or software in my life. Unfortunately not everyone can afford to buy an alternative.
"Mac for productivity, Linux for innovation, Windows for Solitaire." as the ancient developers motto says.
Rant over.
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Why a Mac Pro? Why not a PC?
DDwit,
I am amazed that you posted such inquiry. This is Mac website for the population of people who like and prefer Mac products. Clearly we have no problems paying for more money to Apple for their products. Some times you get what you pay for. If we did not like our Macs we would have purchased PCs and pocketed the savings from that that purchase. Why don't you rephrase your question and simply tell us why you and your wife prefer to pay the additional $1,000.00 for your new MBP.
DDwit,
I am amazed that you posted such inquiry. This is Mac website for the population of people who like and prefer Mac products. Clearly we have no problems paying for more money to Apple for their products. Some times you get what you pay for. If we did not like our Macs we would have purchased PCs and pocketed the savings from that that purchase. Why don't you rephrase your question and simply tell us why you and your wife prefer to pay the additional $1,000.00 for your new MBP.
Its right a Mac owner who uses no security software at all runs less risk of being infected by spyware or a virus than a Windows user who obsessively protects his or her PC.some more reasons for why mac is better than pc are:
-Mac OS X can survive for weeks without the need of rebooting
-Mac OS X has no virus headache problems
-Mac has multi-touch technology
-Mac makes better phone platform
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I work with a team supporting about 900 Windows desktop PCs (as well as ~100 Linux and Mac desktops) on a daily basis. I have my preferences but I am incredibly glad that my company bought me the MacBook Pro instead of relying on one of the standard Windows machines I fix regularly, especially the laptops. The sheer number of odd issues that I run into are amazing.
I had a Mac Pro at my previous position and it was the BEST computer I have ever used. At this point I doubt I will even bother upgrading my Windows PC as long as they still make the Mac Pro. As soon as it dies its time for a new Mac.
I'm done worrying about my own computers when I spend so much time fixing others'.
I had a Mac Pro at my previous position and it was the BEST computer I have ever used. At this point I doubt I will even bother upgrading my Windows PC as long as they still make the Mac Pro. As soon as it dies its time for a new Mac.
I'm done worrying about my own computers when I spend so much time fixing others'.
I have to reboot my MacBook every week or so because the RAM held and I can't release it otherwise.