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The best way to do it is to get a Macbook (MBA or whatever you can afford) laptop for daily general use, your main "computer" and just build a Windows 7 Desktop for games. You can do this for under $800. Don't even install apps on the PC, just put on MS Essentials Virus Software and then your games. Use the Mac for everything else.

It sure beats rebooting and using mobile CPU's and GPU's to play games.

Trying to do it any other way, IMHO, will be an exercise in frustration and full of disappointment.
 
Get the iMac.
With a bit of (one time) setup, you can share any devices that are plugged into it with the air, and use the awesome (and free) teleport to share the keyboard/mouse between the two computers, whether the air is plugged into it or not!
 
The best way to do it is to get a Macbook (MBA or whatever you can afford) laptop for daily general use, your main "computer" and just build a Windows 7 Desktop for games. You can do this for under $800. Don't even install apps on the PC, just put on MS Essentials Virus Software and then your games. Use the Mac for everything else.

It sure beats rebooting and using mobile CPU's and GPU's to play games.

Trying to do it any other way, IMHO, will be an exercise in frustration and full of disappointment.

Plus 1! IMO, this seems the best & by far the least expensive solution.
 
This thread makes me lol

Get a gaming PC, problem solved. You don't have to deal with Bootcamp or any other issues when loading Windows on a Mac. And it will be much more powerful than the iMac
 
Finally, with great frustration I consider getting a PC for gaming and rigging that to external thunderbolt display. I could live with Windows for gaming. More choice after all. But gaming PC's all seem large, noisy, ugly, and don't even have thunderbolt yet (and won't for months to come).

this part is all wrong. :rolleyes:
 
Honestly, I am in the exact same boat as you. I'm honestly at this point contemplating building a Hackintosh. I seriously do not understand why they will not build a better version of the Mac Mini. I would not mind if they made the Mac Mini even bigger and called it the Mac Mini Pro or something.

I feel like ViDock is going to be an inelegant solution and inevitably there will be a number of compromises. In addition, it's a pretty critical component to get right and I don't really like the idea of having a third party component in the mix to such a core piece of hardware in my machine.
 
Honestly, I am in the exact same boat as you. I'm honestly at this point contemplating building a Hackintosh. I seriously do not understand why they will not build a better version of the Mac Mini. I would not mind if they made the Mac Mini even bigger and called it the Mac Mini Pro or something.

Considering that iMacs sell very well, that kind of Mini seems very unlikely purely from a business point of view.

Not only would a powerful Mini Pro cannibalize iMac sales, most probably it'd take a huge bite out of Mac Pro sales as well. It also by no means guarantees increased sales of Apple's monitors as many Mini users prefer matte screens anyway.

For those like me who can't stand glossy screens, current Minis are more than adequate for serious work, whilst for anything more than casual gaming, I find a Windows 7 PC to be ideal.
 
Then I started thinking to myself, "But what if I want to game?". I just about never game, but knowing that the Air is so graphically weak, suddenly makes me miss insane poly pushing power. Go figure.

Congratulations on discovering the gaping hole in Apple's lineup for a reasonable priced gaming capable Mac. For $1200, you can get quite a decent gaming PC in the Windows world. For $1200 from Apple, you get a very base-level crapola iMac with no power. Yet the usual on here will scream night and day that Apple is competitive with the same PC. The problem is that most PCs are not iMacs and Apple doesn't make tower Macs except the workstation class Mac Pro (the only real 'gaming capable' Mac yet it's not made for gaming either). In short, Steve Jobs doesn't like gaming (unless it's going to make him a ton of cash like on the iOS platforms) so they don't cater to gamers one iota.

You can either hope that this Thunderbolt powered external graphic chassis idea pans out well and lets you add a real graphics card to your existing Mac (assuming the one you have has Thunderbolt on it) or you can build a Hackintosh for gaming and/or just keep a PC around for games (they'll probably be cheaper anyway, especially older titles not to mention having a 10x greater selection).

The really sad thing is that in the PC World gaming "cubes" are all the rage for LAN parties, etc. and kind of resemble Apple's old G4 "Cube" in appearance (but tend to have a fully loaded graphics card plugged into it and I don't mean "mobile"). How ironic that Apple doesn't offer their own gaming cube. :rolleyes:
 
Seriously, buy a PC for gaming and then use your AIR for everything else. They cost less, are way more powerful, are supported by most developers, and of course now days, very reliable. You can invest in solutions to keep the noise level down and there is a case for everyone, and even the fugly ones will grow on you, if you piece together the system yourself, which you should do IMO.

I like these cases personally.

Thunderbolt is only 4x PCI-E, so for gaming, it's already outdated, because they went with copper over fibre to keep cost down. But having said that, I look forward to a day that I can buy an external GPU to make up for my portable's weaker GPU when working at home.
 
Congratulations on discovering the gaping hole in Apple's lineup for a reasonable priced gaming capable Mac. For $1200, you can get quite a decent gaming PC in the Windows world. For $1200 from Apple, you get a very base-level crapola iMac with no power.
You are ABSOLUTELY right about the gaming part. I am closed to finishing my latest PC build, the first one I have ever done for myself,and it is an epic one that is an old PC gamer's dream come true after years on the consoles. But calling the 2011 base level iMac crapola is ignorant. I have one and it's screaming fast for most things. Listen, I'm not one of the people who comes on here and thinks that you should pay $3.5K for an iMac to play WoW on (not that I'm bragging about it since its a 5 year old game but the base iMac plays it great). But it's far from "Crapola" when you consider the bomb ass monitor you're getting and the fact that, for nearly 100% of the non-gaming activities I do it rocks the house and that OSX, also, for 99% of what I want to do that's not gaming (web dev and programming stuff), rocks the house. For everything else I use Ubuntu -- most often in a VM but sometimes Bootcamped.

If I had to get 1 computer I would choose a Mac and game on consoles. Though I love gaming, and gaming on a PC, the Mac makes my life just too damn easy.

In short, Steve Jobs doesn't like gaming (unless it's going to make him a ton of cash like on the iOS platforms) so they don't cater to gamers one iota.
Here's where I start agreeing with you again.
 
Thunderbolt is only 4x PCI-E, so for gaming, it's already outdated, because they went with copper over fibre to keep cost down. But having said that, I look forward to a day that I can buy an external GPU to make up for my portable's weaker GPU when working at home.

It has nothing to do with the cable being copper.
 
But it's far from "Crapola" when you consider the bomb ass monitor you're getting and the fact that, for nearly 100% of the non-gaming activities I do it rocks the house and that OSX, also, for 99% of what I want to do that's not gaming (web dev and programming stuff), rocks the house. For everything else I use Ubuntu -- most often in a VM but sometimes Bootcamped.

I simply don't like iMacs period. To me, they're total crap. You're stuck with a system where if the monitor dies, you've got a mess on your hands since you can't simply change it like a normal monitor. It's a 'desktop' yet it's mostly mobile (i.e. Slower and/or smaller than regular desktop parts and often driven to overheating issues if you try to really push the thing, especially for graphics intensive stuff like gaming). Furthermore, saying the 'base' level model is 'fast' is like saying an Amiga is fast compared to a C64. True, but there's always a higher/faster model out there. Between the integrated (i.e. useless) graphics and the slower clocked dual core compared to higher clocked quad i7 available and better graphics of even the higher level iMacs, it's still 'slow' relative to those models. In other words, 'fast' and 'slow' are relative terms (i.e. you have to know what you're comparing them to). Yes, a base model iMac is way faster than my old PowerMac. It's a lot slower than a base Mac Pro or a high-end iMac. None of them are really suited for gaming. That makes them lousy as desktops to begin with, IMO. If I don't care about gaming, I might as well get a notebook with a dock setup since that's all an iMac really is anyway, except you can't disconnect the big monitor and take it with you like the notebook.

In short, 'crapola' is relative. I don't want one. It's useless to me and thus crapola. I wouldn't mind a Mac Pro, but I'm not paying that much for something I could build for half the price with more power for the apps I want to run (i.e. PC based Hackintosh). Apple lacks a real consumer desktop period.

If I had to get 1 computer I would choose a Mac and game on consoles. Though I love gaming, and gaming on a PC, the Mac makes my life just too damn easy.

But a console is a computer too, really. If you could only have the Mac, you might think otherwise. My solution (unless Apple offers something new before then) is to build a Hackintosh PC with compatible parts that have Apple drivers, but with the option of something like SLI on the PC side for gaming, if needed. Thus, I can dual boot on one machine for my needs (and even the Mac gaming aspect will do better with a compatible true desktop mid to high-end GPU in it). I'd prefer to have a genuine Mac, but Apple decided my needs aren't important to them so they are not important to me either.
 
I simply don't like iMacs period. To me, they're total crap. You're stuck with a system where if the monitor dies, you've got a mess on your hands since you can't simply change it like a normal monitor. It's a 'desktop' yet it's mostly mobile (i.e. Slower and/or smaller than regular desktop parts and often driven to overheating issues if you try to really push the thing, especially for graphics intensive stuff like gaming). Furthermore, saying the 'base' level model is 'fast' is like saying an Amiga is fast compared to a C64. True, but there's always a higher/faster model out there. Between the integrated (i.e. useless) graphics and the slower clocked dual core compared to higher clocked quad i7 available and better graphics of even the higher level iMacs, it's still 'slow' relative to those models. In other words, 'fast' and 'slow' are relative terms (i.e. you have to know what you're comparing them to). Yes, a base model iMac is way faster than my old PowerMac. It's a lot slower than a base Mac Pro or a high-end iMac. None of them are really suited for gaming. That makes them lousy as desktops to begin with, IMO. If I don't care about gaming, I might as well get a notebook with a dock setup since that's all an iMac really is anyway, except you can't disconnect the big monitor and take it with you like the notebook.

In short, 'crapola' is relative. I don't want one. It's useless to me and thus crapola. I wouldn't mind a Mac Pro, but I'm not paying that much for something I could build for half the price with more power for the apps I want to run (i.e. PC based Hackintosh). Apple lacks a real consumer desktop period.



But a console is a computer too, really. If you could only have the Mac, you might think otherwise. My solution (unless Apple offers something new before then) is to build a Hackintosh PC with compatible parts that have Apple drivers, but with the option of something like SLI on the PC side for gaming, if needed. Thus, I can dual boot on one machine for my needs (and even the Mac gaming aspect will do better with a compatible true desktop mid to high-end GPU in it). I'd prefer to have a genuine Mac, but Apple decided my needs aren't important to them so they are not important to me either.

Whilst I disagree with the use of the word "crappola" even if it can be considered a word I do at the same time agree with everything you say. I too wish Apple would offer a consumer level desktop that was good for gaming. I refuse to buy an iMac because it's essentially a laptop in pseudo desktop design with a built in display.

I don't want a computer that comes with a built in display and laptop grade components. The Mac Pro on the other hand is closer in that aspect but is way to much overkill and over priced for what I need. I think Steve Jobs and Apple are way too focused on the iOS platforms regards gaming and consumer use in general to care about consumer desktop needs.

I don't want to buy a MacBook pro because again it's a laptop and comes with a built in screen that I don't need, want, or want to pay extra for. Not to mention I already have a perfectly good MacBook Air and an iPad for my portable needs.

My best option is what I have just bought which is a new Mini with a discrete GPU on which I am planning to install Windows under Bootcamp. The only problem is again it uses laptop components and the GPU only has 256 MB of VRAM. However at least I can use a separate display of my own choosing. I don't really want to have a separate Windows PC for my gaming needs and rather have just one computer that suffices for everything.

I do have a PS3 and an Xbox 360 for my gaming needs but some games are only released on the PC/Mac or are better played on those platforms. For example I'm really looking forward to Diablo III but I need a relatively decent PC or Mac to play it on.
 
If you want a Mac, want mobile, and want to game, I'd encourage you to sell the MBA and buy a 2011 15" MBP with a 1G vid chip, 8G ram, and fast HD (the more powerful of the 15" line). It will do allow you to do all your work and game on the same machine.

Maybe someone can give me some perspective here.


I don't know what to do really. Meh.
 
I found out something is ridiculous about mac. excepting mac pro, all mac use only mobile graphic card. iMac is supposed to use desktop version. but it's still mobile which is ********. it's not fair to pay for that kind of price. then now, it's powerful graphic card on mac? NO. they are just damn middle class. I really hate. I don't want to pay that much money to get less than PC. another downside is that you only get 256MB graphic card when you buy macbook pro 15 inch entry level (it's $1800). with that money, you can get the best gaming machine, and still left couple of hundred dollars in your pocket. today's PC is not that bad as you think. if you don't mess around, they are very reliable with no problem. I don't get it why people still want to have mac for gaming. they don't just realize how economy is bad today. screw all of you. by the way, if you don't mind buying mac for no gaming, it's superior than any PC in the market. then MBA or MBP 13inch is way enough to go.
 
Don't you guys get it? People buy Macs because the MacOS is superior. They may not be the fastest computers on the planet, but they can handle games perfectly well, and people don't want to buy 2 computers when they can buy one that does it all.
 
I found out something is ridiculous about mac. excepting mac pro, all mac use only mobile graphic card. iMac is supposed to use desktop version. but it's still mobile which is ********. it's not fair to pay for that kind of price. then now, it's powerful graphic card on mac? NO. they are just damn middle class. I really hate. I don't want to pay that much money to get less than PC. another downside is that you only get 256MB graphic card when you buy macbook pro 15 inch entry level (it's $1800). with that money, you can get the best gaming machine, and still left couple of hundred dollars in your pocket. today's PC is not that bad as you think. if you don't mess around, they are very reliable with no problem. I don't get it why people still want to have mac for gaming. they don't just realize how economy is bad today. screw all of you. by the way, if you don't mind buying mac for no gaming, it's superior than any PC in the market. then MBA or MBP 13inch is way enough to go.

I seriously do not get why you stay on this site just to troll about Mac's gaming capabilities? NO ONE CARES! We all know how Mac's run games, we know PC's are better, but is anyone asking for your opinion on Mac's being bad for gaming? No, so please just stop.
 
don't you guys get it? People buy macs because the macos is superior. They may not be the fastest computers on the planet, but they can handle games perfectly well, and people don't want to buy 2 computers when they can buy one that does it all.

+1
 
Don't you guys get it? People buy Macs because the MacOS is superior. They may not be the fastest computers on the planet, but they can handle games perfectly well, and people don't want to buy 2 computers when they can buy one that does it all.

I have a feeling you're being sarcastic here? :)
 
I found out something is ridiculous about mac. excepting mac pro, all mac use only mobile graphic card. iMac is supposed to use desktop version. but it's still mobile which is ********. it's not fair to pay for that kind of price. then now, it's powerful graphic card on mac? NO. they are just damn middle class. I really hate. I don't want to pay that much money to get less than PC. another downside is that you only get 256MB graphic card when you buy macbook pro 15 inch entry level (it's $1800). with that money, you can get the best gaming machine, and still left couple of hundred dollars in your pocket. today's PC is not that bad as you think. if you don't mess around, they are very reliable with no problem. I don't get it why people still want to have mac for gaming. they don't just realize how economy is bad today. screw all of you. by the way, if you don't mind buying mac for no gaming, it's superior than any PC in the market. then MBA or MBP 13inch is way enough to go.

My maxed out (except the memory) iMac runs all my PC games at full res, full settings and never dips below 60fps. Portal 2, Just Cause 2, Street Fighter 4 AE. Faultless!

Whilst it might be using a mobile GPU it's far from a bad GPU.
A buddy of mine has the desktop version of my iMacs card and before he overclocked it (something I wouldn't risk doing on a desktop PC let alone Mac), the performance was the same.
Core i5, i7, 6970M... mobile and desktop chips are slowly merging into a single line.
 
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